[PD] status of 123 - 125 (curly braces) keycodes?
hi folks- being new to PD i just discovered this rather curious
inability to form any kind of message using a Curly brace - { or }.
luckily the GUI doesn't crash like before but it refuses to type the
characters. can someone update me on whether that will be addressed
anytime soon, or if not, explain how i could send a statement
containing these characters to udpsend via packOSC? i guess i don't
have to see them or print them but they at least have to be sent.
this is sort of important to anyone wanting to address dynamic
interface creation via JSON as shown by Charlie Roberts in this Max
MSP example:
http://charlie-roberts.com/Control/?p=292
Control is the completely open source variant of closed source
projects like TouchOSC and is much more extendable, as it's completely
based on HTML5, CSS and JSON. i'm currently in the process of porting
his demo patch of dynamic interface creation he made up to PD from
Max.
anyway if anyone has some answers i'd appreciate it - thanks in advance!
scott
___
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list
UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Make pd_include_HEADERS install
Hi, I don't understand why, but I cannot make the pd_include_HEADERS install at all. The only include-file that is installed it m_pd.h. I checked the Makefile in src/, but I did not find any reason for this missbehaviour. What I need is especially the s_stuff.h. During './configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --includedir=/usr/include --enable-alsa --enable-jack' (I tried both, with and without the --includedir option) I get this warning: config.status: WARNING: 'makefile.in' seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting Is that related in any ways? During make and make install everything looks just fine. Does anybody else encounter this problem? I'm on archlinux. Any help would be highly appreciated! Best, Bjoern P.s. please tell me, if you need more information, like the output of 'make install' or something similar. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 tests builds usable again
appears that GEM is temporarily broken on Mac for the build dated 10th of Jan 2012, possibly tclpd as well. Startup Log: -- /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120110.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../startup/tclpd: can't load startup library'! /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120110.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120110.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin, 10): Symbol not found: __Z10initGemWinv Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120110.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin Expected in: dynamic lookup Gem: can't load library - scott On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On the road to getting a release out, I've recently done some work making some GUI stuff run stably (using apps like XYZee, for example), and I've included Miller's GOP fixes. Give it a whirl and report back how it works for you: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ .hc It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF ????
And that's not the end of the vicious cycle. Students who saved their money to buy a Max license are often unwilling to accept that their work could have been done as easy in Pd, and sometimes even better and/or easier. Often they use and stick to Max simply because they have spent the money on it. They then keep paying for the updates. this is referred to as the concorde effect. M Am 11.01.2012 um 00:23 schrieb Jonathan Wilkes: No, there really are music students out there looking at what they need in order to be successful, and when most of the voices around them are aggressively (and often ignorantly) suggesting only proprietary tools that cost lots of money, these students save up their meager resources in order to buy them. I'm talking about students who are probably already in debt from loans, and it's quite common that they max out on their technology budget and as a consequence are unable to attend a festival. What's even worse is that these constrained options lead to a lot of those students downloading cracked copies of proprietary software (and the negative effects there usually manifest themselves more quickly and concretely). -Jonathan From: Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com; pd list pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF Not a bad point... but, or more likely because they are supporting only those artists able to afford such things as expensive software, travel and food. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I can't think of a better example of the vicious cycle of software lock-in than this. They don't have money to offer financial support, so they have to rely on the tools that they know, which are proprietary and expensive, thus making it even less likely that a composer would be able to afford to travel to the concert (because he/she had to spend money on either Max/MSP or Kyma to composer the piece in the first place). -Jonathan - Original Message - From: Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com To: pd list pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF Hi list! I got a more clear response from the organizers on this issue than anything I've seen in this thread so far - here it is: Hi Ben, thanks for your Interest in our Call. We accepts only patches made with Kyma or Max/MSP due the fact we are not able to provide financial support for the two selected composers. So it is possible that they will not be able to be in Milan for the concert. To avoid technical issues we choose the plattforms we already use in our work or we are very familiar with. This is the only reason. If the selected composer can assure us to be available for the concert the can be used any piece of software/hardware. I hope this helps. Many thanks Federico Placidi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Make pd_include_HEADERS install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-01-11 09:42, Bjoern Lindig wrote: Hi, I don't understand why, but I cannot make the pd_include_HEADERS install at all. The only include-file that is installed it m_pd.h. I checked the Makefile in src/, but I did not find any reason for this missbehaviour. What I need is especially the s_stuff.h. During './configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --includedir=/usr/include --enable-alsa --enable-jack' (I tried both, with and without the --includedir option) I get this warning: config.status: WARNING: 'makefile.in' seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting Is that related in any ways? During make and make install everything looks just fine. not it's not really related. however, it tells us, that you are using the wrong build-system! only if you run ./autogen.sh ./configure make install from the Pd-root your header files will be installed. the old build-system in src/ will _not_ do that for you. fgmasdrt IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8NfVoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRANgCfcWrKgwBVqqOMHAuTuPqZwnPm p0sAnREulfkvdEymlk4RCXt/kN/LqN+4 =L+A6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 tests builds usable again
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-01-11 12:46, Scott R. Looney wrote: appears that GEM is temporarily broken on Mac for the build dated 10th of Jan 2012, possibly tclpd as well. which build? is it 10.6/x86_64? fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8NgfIACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQxMwCg0eNlFetIpX0bMWeHyTgOZFZV hAQAoLzSJgxJAkxWCG5OD1g9OTkvNC2t =YXY7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 tests builds usable again
The 32-bit Mac OS X/i386 build machine is offline, but will be back soon. .hc On Jan 11, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Scott R. Looney wrote: appears that GEM is temporarily broken on Mac for the build dated 10th of Jan 2012, possibly tclpd as well. Startup Log: -- /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120110.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../startup/tclpd: can't load startup library'! /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120110.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120110.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin, 10): Symbol not found: __Z10initGemWinv Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120110.app/Contents/Resources/Scripts/../extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin Expected in: dynamic lookup Gem: can't load library - scott On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On the road to getting a release out, I've recently done some work making some GUI stuff run stably (using apps like XYZee, for example), and I've included Miller's GOP fixes. Give it a whirl and report back how it works for you: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ .hc It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] status of 123 - 125 (curly braces) keycodes?
Or perhaps purestjson would help here:
https://github.com/residuum/PuRestJson
.hc
On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Martin Peach wrote:
I guess you could use another pair of characters to represent curly brackets
and intercept them as they pass between [packOSC] and [udpsend], replacing
them with the codes (123 and 125) for curly brackets. (The output of
[packOSC] is a list of ASCII character codes).
Martin
On 2012-01-11 03:16, Scott R. Looney wrote:
hi folks- being new to PD i just discovered this rather curious
inability to form any kind of message using a Curly brace - { or }.
luckily the GUI doesn't crash like before but it refuses to type the
characters. can someone update me on whether that will be addressed
anytime soon, or if not, explain how i could send a statement
containing these characters to udpsend via packOSC? i guess i don't
have to see them or print them but they at least have to be sent.
this is sort of important to anyone wanting to address dynamic
interface creation via JSON as shown by Charlie Roberts in this Max
MSP example:
http://charlie-roberts.com/Control/?p=292
Control is the completely open source variant of closed source
projects like TouchOSC and is much more extendable, as it's completely
based on HTML5, CSS and JSON. i'm currently in the process of porting
his demo patch of dynamic interface creation he made up to PD from
Max.
anyway if anyone has some answers i'd appreciate it - thanks in advance!
scott
___
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list
UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
___
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list
UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
“We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi
___
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list
UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 tests builds usable again
On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:51 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-01-11 14:15, Scott R. Looney wrote: appears to be the 64 build as there is no 32 build for Mac made in 2012. newbie mistake, sorry - i read somewhere that Gem doesn't yet have a version for 64 Bit. btw, i just pushed a few changes to the Gem master branch that allows to _load_ Gem on osx/64bit and eventually to use it. it also has multiple window support (each [gemwin] controls a separate window). things are not ready for prime time yet. e.g. expect crashes and weird side effects. oh, and there is still no native image acquisition implemented... I just included those 3 commits into the pd-extended/0.43 branch. The Mac OS X 10.6/x86_64 build server has gmerlin installed, so Gem could use that on 64-bit builds. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Make pd_include_HEADERS install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks IOhannes, that allready helped a lot. But it did not solve the problem. There is still no pd folder in /usr/include. Everything else is there, but not the headers. Is there an option to set in for the configure script? I allready set the --includedir option to /usr/include, but that didn't help either. Best, Bjoern On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:15:26 +0100 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-01-11 09:42, Bjoern Lindig wrote: Hi, I don't understand why, but I cannot make the pd_include_HEADERS install at all. The only include-file that is installed it m_pd.h. I checked the Makefile in src/, but I did not find any reason for this missbehaviour. What I need is especially the s_stuff.h. During './configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --includedir=/usr/include --enable-alsa --enable-jack' (I tried both, with and without the --includedir option) I get this warning: config.status: WARNING: 'makefile.in' seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting Is that related in any ways? During make and make install everything looks just fine. not it's not really related. however, it tells us, that you are using the wrong build-system! only if you run ./autogen.sh ./configure make install from the Pd-root your header files will be installed. the old build-system in src/ will _not_ do that for you. fgmasdrt IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8NfVoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRANgCfcWrKgwBVqqOMHAuTuPqZwnPm p0sAnREulfkvdEymlk4RCXt/kN/LqN+4 =L+A6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPDeOZAAoJEHlColMsTgLb1WwH/jSlA3se03LahqKHJd9xTqbw 2CKky/Y83CRYTcGcXpZLthmNVFR8/oT7CTjcmB0GgxN+Cr/aO0vVld0wUL0tuliA HUhZsnrExkDbAdbgzfrUaRflEi0UdmmunRrDxP6gecDwUgEQmh87Jj4QXPcCdL/j fjuQgaHcx/kvjFpVmDHpuegJmZnCfsjGlp7aUy7I1scwulwsoH0/iNzyhIdiPifX Ml2fASfQldpzz5sVao88fcy3cm60DD0Qp4KSmkjqzqizE8QqQcFeXMAK9YXtL+/V fpk3orw80FB+BVItnCRPRPoptmfaSn1oQuUV2Ffm5NviEjN9n1rj6Qy72KdrKi0= =Z4TF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] visiting new york
Hi Renato, if you are still around it would be nice to meet you :) keep in touch. Alessandro 2012/1/7 Renato Fabbri renato.fab...@gmail.com Hey Hans, a meeting would be really great specially for us to eat and drink. My wife is here too (actually this is our honey moon), Maybe when you fell better from the flu we can have this opportunity. :-) I wish you all recover really well and maybe take advantage of it to rest!! Thanks for the recommendations. If any other idea comes to mind, write again pls. I will try to go to http://www.share.dj/share/ tomorrow night. $ cheers -rf Em 7 de janeiro de 2012 13:42, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atescreveu: Here are some recommendations for you: http://www.nycresistor.com/ (Craft Night every Thursday, 6-9pm) http://www.share.dj/share/ (Every Sunday evening) http://www.bitforms.com I was a resident at Eyebeam twice, but I no longer have any official role there. If I have some time, we could meet up. But my wife, child and I are all down with some nasty flu at the moment... .hc On Jan 7, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Renato Fabbri wrote: Dear Devolters, PDers and Chuckers, I am in NYC until 14/Jan and would really appreciate some advice on our art (music) open tech events, places, gatherings, presentations etc. Glerm just gave me this advice http://www.eyebeam.org/ (a green bird told me Hans Steiner works there). I've heard some years ago that there is a Church here that plays change ringing, I found nothing about a event on this coming days (didn't search that much either..). All the best and cheers, rfabbri _o_o_ oOo _o_o_ -- GNU/Linux User #479299 labmacambira.sf.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ -- GNU/Linux User #479299 labmacambira.sf.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- // ALESSANDRO CONTINI // www.alessandrocontini.it // skype: alessandro_contini // USA: +1-347-523-0044 // ITA: +39-340-2686996 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] status of 123 - 125 (curly braces) keycodes?
Probably that's a better solution. Curly braces aren't the only problem
Pd has with JSON format strings: they contain spaces and commas, which
will result in them being split into separate messages.
Martin
On 2012-01-11 12:42, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Or perhaps purestjson would help here:
https://github.com/residuum/PuRestJson
.hc
On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Martin Peach wrote:
I guess you could use another pair of characters to represent curly brackets
and intercept them as they pass between [packOSC] and [udpsend], replacing them
with the codes (123 and 125) for curly brackets. (The output of [packOSC] is a
list of ASCII character codes).
Martin
On 2012-01-11 03:16, Scott R. Looney wrote:
hi folks- being new to PD i just discovered this rather curious
inability to form any kind of message using a Curly brace - { or }.
luckily the GUI doesn't crash like before but it refuses to type the
characters. can someone update me on whether that will be addressed
anytime soon, or if not, explain how i could send a statement
containing these characters to udpsend via packOSC? i guess i don't
have to see them or print them but they at least have to be sent.
this is sort of important to anyone wanting to address dynamic
interface creation via JSON as shown by Charlie Roberts in this Max
MSP example:
http://charlie-roberts.com/Control/?p=292
Control is the completely open source variant of closed source
projects like TouchOSC and is much more extendable, as it's completely
based on HTML5, CSS and JSON. i'm currently in the process of porting
his demo patch of dynamic interface creation he made up to PD from
Max.
anyway if anyone has some answers i'd appreciate it - thanks in advance!
scott
___
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list
UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
___
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list
UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
“We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi
___
Pd-list@iem.at mailing list
UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] linux install advice please
Hi Listers, I'll be running an intro to Pd workshop at the Melboure Mini Maker Faire this Saturday http://makerfairemelbourne.wordpress.com/ as well as showing off some of my Arduinstruments and hacks. I will be providing the install files to participants on usb sticks but having (shamefully) not used Linux yet I'm wondering if JACK is required with Ubuntu or Debian installs? (I have grabbed the install info page from pd.info as well.) I'd like to make sure I'm as prepared as possible assuming terrible web access. Any advice is appreciated. thanks -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] how to tidy up patches ?
Hi ! is there any option in PD to make complex patches look less messy ? for example in MAX you can hide all the connections in performance mode.. in - you can spline the hords in MAX you also can make hords with different angles.. and so on.. is there any way in PD to tidy it all up ? i can't find it. maybe it is really something to do ? thnx , serg ! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how to tidy up patches ? (?????? ????????)
is there any option in PD to make complex patches look less messy ? not really. What you have to do is be able to design the patches with method, and think about it. I personally don't see this as a restrain, or something serious we should worry about in doing it. I can easily get lost when MAX's chords are not just a straight line explicitly telling you where it's coming from and going to. And hiding chords or patch bits can be a lot like throwing the mess under the carpet. A code in order to be really clean and tidy needs to be well organized, rewritten, and just clear. So, all you got is subpatches and send objects. Just do hundreds of subpatches, it can be really good for making you have to think about designing an organized patch, it may be better than being allowed to, lets say, cheat and pretend is not messy. but that's me... cheers alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how to tidy up patches ? (?????? ????????)
On 1/11/12 6:12 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: is there any option in PD to make complex patches look less messy ? not really. What you have to do is be able to design the patches with method, and think about it. I personally don't see this as a restrain, or something serious we should worry about in doing it. I can easily get lost when MAX's chords are not just a straight line explicitly telling you where it's coming from and going to. And hiding chords or patch bits can be a lot like throwing the mess under the carpet. A code in order to be really clean and tidy needs to be well organized, rewritten, and just clear. So, all you got is subpatches and send objects. Just do hundreds of subpatches, it can be really good for making you have to think about designing an organized patch, it may be better than being allowed to, lets say, cheat and pretend is not messy. but that's me... cheers alex No, it's me, too, and many other PD-coders, I'm sure. Excellent advice, Alex. Phil Stone ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how to tidy up patches ? (?????? ????????)
I agree, also you can use canvas objects to build GUI elements and hide your messy patches behind those, but personally I really like the look of objects and patch cords everywhere xD On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.comwrote: is there any option in PD to make complex patches look less messy ? not really. What you have to do is be able to design the patches with method, and think about it. I personally don't see this as a restrain, or something serious we should worry about in doing it. I can easily get lost when MAX's chords are not just a straight line explicitly telling you where it's coming from and going to. And hiding chords or patch bits can be a lot like throwing the mess under the carpet. A code in order to be really clean and tidy needs to be well organized, rewritten, and just clear. So, all you got is subpatches and send objects. Just do hundreds of subpatches, it can be really good for making you have to think about designing an organized patch, it may be better than being allowed to, lets say, cheat and pretend is not messy. but that's me... cheers alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how to tidy up patches ?
Le 2012-01-12 à 05:47:00, Фывапр Олджэвич a écrit : is there any option in PD to make complex patches look less messy ? for example in MAX you can hide all the connections in performance mode.. It's more important to make patches less messy, rather than making them look less messy. But if you really want to hide things, you can hide both the connections and the ordinary objects by using the Graph-on-Parent (GOP) feature of subpatches and abstractions. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] linux install advice please
I've tried to make the Pd-extended packages work out-of-box with audio without jack. As long as no other apps are trying to play sound on Debian/Ubuntu, and they launch Pd-extended from the Applications menu, the sound should just work. .hc On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Richie Cyngler wrote: Hi Listers, I'll be running an intro to Pd workshop at the Melboure Mini Maker Faire this Saturday http://makerfairemelbourne.wordpress.com/ as well as showing off some of my Arduinstruments and hacks. I will be providing the install files to participants on usb sticks but having (shamefully) not used Linux yet I'm wondering if JACK is required with Ubuntu or Debian installs? (I have grabbed the install info page from pd.info as well.) I'd like to make sure I'm as prepared as possible assuming terrible web access. Any advice is appreciated. thanks -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how to tidy up patches ?
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Фывапр Олджэвич tofuc...@inbox.ru Cc: PD-list pd-list@iem.at; d-l...@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [PD] how to tidy up patches ? Le 2012-01-12 à 05:47:00, Фывапр Олджэвич a écrit : is there any option in PD to make complex patches look less messy ? for example in MAX you can hide all the connections in performance mode.. It's more important to make patches less messy, rather than making them look less messy. There are some basics, like trying not to hide wires and avoid ambiguous placement of objects/wires, but at some point it becomes a wasted conversation because box widths and therefore wire positions/angles can vary based available fonts and how the windowing system renders them. So a patch on one system can look tidy, while different fonts (or different rendering of the same font) can introduce an ambiguity on a different system. -Jonathan But if you really want to hide things, you can hide both the connections and the ordinary objects by using the Graph-on-Parent (GOP) feature of subpatches and abstractions. __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] linux install advice please
Ok thanks Hans, Great to know. Should be easy then. =) On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: I've tried to make the Pd-extended packages work out-of-box with audio without jack. As long as no other apps are trying to play sound on Debian/Ubuntu, and they launch Pd-extended from the Applications menu, the sound should just work. .hc On Jan 11, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Richie Cyngler wrote: Hi Listers, I'll be running an intro to Pd workshop at the Melboure Mini Maker Faire this Saturday http://makerfairemelbourne.wordpress.com/ as well as showing off some of my Arduinstruments and hacks. I will be providing the install files to participants on usb sticks but having (shamefully) not used Linux yet I'm wondering if JACK is required with Ubuntu or Debian installs? (I have grabbed the install info page from pd.info as well.) I'd like to make sure I'm as prepared as possible assuming terrible web access. Any advice is appreciated. thanks -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra -- Richie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] how to tidy up patches ?
On 12/01/12 01:47, Фывапр Олджэвич wrote: Hi ! is there any option in PD to make complex patches look less messy ? for example in MAX you can hide all the connections in performance mode.. in - you can spline the hords in MAX you also can make hords with different angles.. and so on.. is there any way in PD to tidy it all up ? i can't find it. maybe it is really something to do ? It's a feature, not a bug. Why? At least two reasons comwe to mind 1. You can deliberately create messy, uncomprehensible cmoplicated- esotheric-looking patches which really impress girls/guys or 2. As already suggested it forces you to strictly, unconditionally stick to the rule: it it starts to look messy, I probably need to make a subpatch along the lines of certain programming theorems that say something like if a program starts to go beyound the screen you probably need a function (not sure what the average screen resolution was when it was enunciated though) Of course 1. is usually more fun, and no one really follows 2. when the deadline is midnight and it is 10.15pm :) Lorenzo. thnx , serg ! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
