Re: [PD] specifying time

[Andy Farnell]

Great suggestion. It makes sense.
And numerical strings are already parsed for e
(exponent) and - (minus) aren't they?

Andy

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:10:54PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> [del 4m33s]
> 
> [1 3s(
> |
> [line]
> 
> [metro 1d2h4m3s21ms]
> 
> That last one is overkill. :)
> But sometimes you want to work in something other than ms, and it's a pain to 
> make convenience abstractions.
> Kinda like [f $0]--[set $1-blah( is a pain
> 
> If a class with a float method that has no symbol method receives 
> ([0-9]+[wdhms]+)+ 
> then couldn't pd just convert it to a millisecond float value?
> 
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[PD] specifying time

[Jonathan Wilkes]

[del 4m33s]

[1 3s(
|
[line]

[metro 1d2h4m3s21ms]

That last one is overkill. :)
But sometimes you want to work in something other than ms, and it's a pain to 
make convenience abstractions.
Kinda like [f $0]--[set $1-blah( is a pain

If a class with a float method that has no symbol method receives 
([0-9]+[wdhms]+)+ 
then couldn't pd just convert it to a millisecond float value?

-Jonathan


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Re: [PD] bonk~

[William Brent]

Another small comment: there's a missing [list-drip] in the patch I
just posted.  Here's the right one :)


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> .. one small comment - the 'minvel' message might not be functioning in
> recent versions - I have to check this.
>
> cheers
> Miller
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:47:49PM -0500, William Brent wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> When you're searching for a good "minvel" setting, you should watch
>> the 2nd number in the list from bonk's right outlet.  Then play a few
>> sample notes on the instrument you're trying to track to get a sense
>> of typical velocities.
>>
>> The threshold setting is a little less intuitive.  To find the best
>> values for that, you have to get a sense of how the sum of growth in
>> all frequency bands is changing over time.  I made the attached patch
>> to explain this in a class, and it might be helpful for you.  You'll
>> have to download my [tabletool] extern for it to work though, which
>> you can get here:
>>
>> http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, joe higham  wrote:
>> > Hi @ PD List
>> >
>> > Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object
>> > I'd be most grateful :
>> >
>> > a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've
>> > (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object.
>> > b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did
>> > look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control 
>> > things
>> > a little better  but, I haven't really understood the problem, and
>> > therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but 
>> > they
>> > seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance
>> > Joe (Higham)
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Re: [PD] bonk~

[Miller Puckette]

.. one small comment - the 'minvel' message might not be functioning in
recent versions - I have to check this.

cheers
Miller

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:47:49PM -0500, William Brent wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> 
> When you're searching for a good "minvel" setting, you should watch
> the 2nd number in the list from bonk's right outlet.  Then play a few
> sample notes on the instrument you're trying to track to get a sense
> of typical velocities.
> 
> The threshold setting is a little less intuitive.  To find the best
> values for that, you have to get a sense of how the sum of growth in
> all frequency bands is changing over time.  I made the attached patch
> to explain this in a class, and it might be helpful for you.  You'll
> have to download my [tabletool] extern for it to work though, which
> you can get here:
> 
> http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, joe higham  wrote:
> > Hi @ PD List
> >
> > Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object
> > I'd be most grateful :
> >
> > a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've
> > (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object.
> > b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did
> > look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control things
> > a little better  but, I haven't really understood the problem, and
> > therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but they
> > seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Joe (Higham)
> >
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Re: [PD] bonk~

[William Brent]

Hi Joe,

When you're searching for a good "minvel" setting, you should watch
the 2nd number in the list from bonk's right outlet.  Then play a few
sample notes on the instrument you're trying to track to get a sense
of typical velocities.

The threshold setting is a little less intuitive.  To find the best
values for that, you have to get a sense of how the sum of growth in
all frequency bands is changing over time.  I made the attached patch
to explain this in a class, and it might be helpful for you.  You'll
have to download my [tabletool] extern for it to work though, which
you can get here:

http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html#tabletool



On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM, joe higham  wrote:
> Hi @ PD List
>
> Just a quick question to ask if someone could help me with the bonk~ object
> I'd be most grateful :
>
> a) Some more 'plain' information about bonk~ and it's 2 outputs. I've
> (naturally) read the 'help' patch on the object.
> b) How can I control (more precisely) the input level of this object? I did
> look at the terminal using a [print] object to see if I could control things
> a little better  but, I haven't really understood the problem, and
> therefore the solution. I've also tried using [thresh( and [minvel( but they
> seem a little 'hit or miss' due to my lack of knowledge.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Joe (Higham)
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Re: [PD] Pd extended 0.43-1 nightly missing tk dependency on ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric)

[John Harrison]

How many people would chose to use ubuntu Oneiric, use a pre-built binary
for Pd-extended, AND not have X? I would hope that small group would
reconsider using Oneiric for something a bit more streamlined and would
likely be compiling their own minimalist Pd --- certainly not Pd-extended.

I could more easily except the answer of leaving it as "Recommends" if Pd
did not use X by default or at least if it returned an error message (in an
X window if run from an X window) describing the missing dependency.

While one probably exists, I know of no other pre-built binaries in ubuntu
which intentionally are missing dependencies preventing them from running
in their default modes. Pd's default is to use X.

I think vlc might get around this by having a separate vlc-nox binary? If
we really have to have binaries for ubuntu that don't depend on tk, I'd
recommend that route.

-John

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Roman Haefeli  wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 15:11 -0600, John Harrison wrote:
> > Then that would be the case for all stock Oneirics. I think it should be
> > depends. This will be confusing for novice users, such as those using
> stock
> > setups.
>
> If it would be a 'Depends:', then there wouldn't be a way to install
> Pd(-extended) without pulling in a whole X-server setup. I think it
> should stay a 'Recommends:'.
>
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[PD] NYC Pd Patching Circle Next Tuesday

[sonia yuditskaya]

Hey There PDers,
its been a long time since I was on the list as well! Well I cannot blame
school but trying to support myself in NY while running our own space
certainly got in the way.

I am up for air again though! How great!

So we are holding a Patching Circle at 319 Scholes in Bushwick on Tuesday
February 21st.

Attendance has been low and we want to harness some excitement in the new
year. So please come show off your magic from the winter, share educational
ideas, and lets brainstorm the direction of the patching circle. Perhaps we
need a PD outreach program? Themes for sharing? More beer?

I suppose one could always use more beer...

What would you New York based patchers like to get from a patching circle?

S~ 

Sofy Yuditskaya
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Re: [PD] Pd extended 0.43-1 nightly missing tk dependency on ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric)

[Roman Haefeli]

On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 15:11 -0600, John Harrison wrote:
> Then that would be the case for all stock Oneirics. I think it should be
> depends. This will be confusing for novice users, such as those using stock
> setups.

If it would be a 'Depends:', then there wouldn't be a way to install
Pd(-extended) without pulling in a whole X-server setup. I think it
should stay a 'Recommends:'.

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Re: [PD] Pd extended 0.43-1 nightly missing tk dependency on ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric)

[John Harrison]

Then that would be the case for all stock Oneirics. I think it should be
depends. This will be confusing for novice users, such as those using stock
setups.

-John

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> Sounds like you have --no-install-recommends setup since tk8.5 is a
> Recommends: rather than a Depends:.  Its not Depends: because you can
> actually run Pd -nogui without tk8.5.
>
> .hc
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:08 AM, John Harrison wrote:
>
> The problem still exists in today's nightly build (Feb 13, 2012). I just
> installed on a new Oneiric machine and had the same issue.
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for reporting, this commit should fix it:
>>
>> http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revision=15956
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:06 PM, John Harrison wrote:
>>
>> > Pd extended 0.43-1 nightly gives "sh: wish: not found" error and won't
>> run until tk is loaded.
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Re: [PD] problem with flatgui/entry object

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>
> From: Husk 00 
>To: Hans-Christoph Steiner  
>Cc: pd list  
>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:43 PM
>Subject: Re: [PD] problem with flatgui/entry object
> 


[...]


>I cannot help here (no tcl coders[still]), so I will just wait :)


Not sure if there is an easy fix.  In tk, the widget embedded in a canvas 
window will only lose focus 

if you click on some other widget inside a canvas window (or use tab or click 
outside of the canvas).  

Clicking on the blank canvas, or on rectangle/line/polygon/text items (which is 
what all the iemguis are) 

will not cause the widget to lose focus.

So I guess you have to make a proc that checks for clicks on the canvas, 
inspect that position to see if 

there are any window items underneath it, and if there are not, then lose focus 
for any/all widgets inside 

a window item on that canvas.


-Jonathan


>
>thanks a lot!
>husk
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Re: [PD] problem with flatgui/entry object

[Jonathan Wilkes]

>
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner 
>To: Julian Brooks  
>Cc: pd list  
>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [PD] problem with flatgui/entry object
> 
>
>
>
>What you see if the conflict between the Tcl/Tk focus model in the entry 
>widget, and Pd's custom focus model handled completely separately from Tcl/Tk. 
> The focus issue doesn't happen in play mode, only edit mode, so its something 
>you'll have to live with when using that object.

Happens in both Run mode and Edit mode. Put a numbox next to [entry], and in 
Run mode give focus to the 

[entry].  Now click on numbox and start typing.  Bug: you get text typed in 
both numbox and [entry].

-Jonathan


>
>
>Some day I hope to finish the tkwidgets library, which aims to address stuff 
>like this.  Contributes are welcome :)
>
>
>.hc
>
>On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Julian Brooks wrote:
>
>Yip yip - same here on PDE 0.43.1-extended-20120126.
>>
>>Presumed it was my busted 9.10 puredyne install tbh.
>>
>>Julian
>>
>>
>>On 14 February 2012 16:42, Husk 00  wrote:
>>
>>Hi list,
>>>I'm using entry object from flatgui library with Pd-extended 0.43 (latest 
>>>autobuild) on a ubuntu 11.10.
>>>The object don't loose the focus on it, so when I write something inside it 
>>>and I click out but still doing some action in the canvas (maybe writing in 
>>>some other msg box or object) it continues to get my keyboard signal. 
>>>This weird behavior doesn't happen on Mac Os X 10.6 with a Pd 0.42-5.
>>>Is this a bug? someone else could try it before fill a bug report please?
>>>thanks
>>>husk
>>>
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Re: [PD] problem with flatgui/entry object

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On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> What you see if the conflict between the Tcl/Tk focus model in the entry
> widget, and Pd's custom focus model handled completely separately from
> Tcl/Tk.
>

ok, thanks to explain


> The focus issue doesn't happen in play mode, only edit mode, so its
> something you'll have to live with when using that object.
>
>
That's not true for me. It doesn't lose focus both in edit or no edit mode.


> Some day I hope to finish the tkwidgets library, which aims to address
> stuff like this.  Contributes are welcome :)
>
>
I cannot help here (no tcl coders[still]), so I will just wait :)

thanks a lot!
husk

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Re: [PD] problem with flatgui/entry object

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

What you see if the conflict between the Tcl/Tk focus model in the entry 
widget, and Pd's custom focus model handled completely separately from Tcl/Tk.  
The focus issue doesn't happen in play mode, only edit mode, so its something 
you'll have to live with when using that object.

Some day I hope to finish the tkwidgets library, which aims to address stuff 
like this.  Contributes are welcome :)

.hc

On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Julian Brooks wrote:

> Yip yip - same here on PDE 0.43.1-extended-20120126.
> 
> Presumed it was my busted 9.10 puredyne install tbh.
> 
> Julian
> 
> On 14 February 2012 16:42, Husk 00  wrote:
> Hi list,
> I'm using entry object from flatgui library with Pd-extended 0.43 (latest 
> autobuild) on a ubuntu 11.10.
> The object don't loose the focus on it, so when I write something inside it 
> and I click out but still doing some action in the canvas (maybe writing in 
> some other msg box or object) it continues to get my keyboard signal. 
> This weird behavior doesn't happen on Mac Os X 10.6 with a Pd 0.42-5.
> Is this a bug? someone else could try it before fill a bug report please?
> thanks
> husk
> 
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Re: [PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'

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On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:26 AM, katja wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Christoph Kuhr  wrote:
> 
>> but when i want to use define_loudspeakers with a vbap module, pd complains:
>> 
>> error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'
> 
> 
> In vbap.c method 'vbap_matrix' is called via message
> 'loudspeaker-matrices', yet the method is not recognized. Possibly
> because the method expects a Symbol argument as well. From the help
> patches I can't understand what it really needs. The C-code speaks of
> 'lsset', loudspeaker set I assume.

I think there is a bug in that version.  To workaround it, you need to load 
[vbap] first, then [define_loudspeaker]

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Re: [PD] import and search paths - 0.43 on debian

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On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

> I know this has probably often been debated but...
> 
> I can't seem to understand the logic for which [import] fails with an error 
> e.g.:
> 
> [import]: ERROR: can't load library in monlib
> 
> and doesn't for others.
> 
> This is on debian with libraries installed from respective packages, and are 
> all in /usr/lib/pd/extra
> 
> I may be missing something about the behaviour of [import] but the apparently 
> herratic behaviour makes understanding this hard.
> 
> Of course all the libs could be imported by prefixing them such as 
> [osc/packOSC] but then opening the help patch won't find [udpsend] which 
> should then be [iemnet/udpsend] etc. having a single [import iemnet osc] 
> would make much more sense. If it worked.

You can include all the libraries you want in a single import statement, that's 
the preferred way to do it, i.e. [import moonlib motex Gem osc]

Now that you've fixed the typo, what's the error?

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Re: [PD] Pd extended 0.43-1 nightly missing tk dependency on ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Sounds like you have --no-install-recommends setup since tk8.5 is a Recommends: 
rather than a Depends:.  Its not Depends: because you can actually run Pd 
-nogui without tk8.5.

.hc

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> The problem still exists in today's nightly build (Feb 13, 2012). I just 
> installed on a new Oneiric machine and had the same issue.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for reporting, this commit should fix it:
> http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revision&revision=15956
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:06 PM, John Harrison wrote:
> 
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> > until tk is loaded.
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Re: [PD] problem with flatgui/entry object

[Julian Brooks]

Yip yip - same here on PDE 0.43.1-extended-20120126.

Presumed it was my busted 9.10 puredyne install tbh.

Julian

On 14 February 2012 16:42, Husk 00  wrote:

> Hi list,
> I'm using entry object from flatgui library with Pd-extended 0.43 (latest
> autobuild) on a ubuntu 11.10.
> The object don't loose the focus on it, so when I write something inside
> it and I click out but still doing some action in the canvas (maybe writing
> in some other msg box or object) it continues to get my keyboard signal.
> This weird behavior doesn't happen on Mac Os X 10.6 with a Pd 0.42-5.
> Is this a bug? someone else could try it before fill a bug report please?
> thanks
> husk
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[PD] problem with flatgui/entry object

[Husk 00]

Hi list,
I'm using entry object from flatgui library with Pd-extended 0.43 (latest
autobuild) on a ubuntu 11.10.
The object don't loose the focus on it, so when I write something inside it
and I click out but still doing some action in the canvas (maybe writing in
some other msg box or object) it continues to get my keyboard signal.
This weird behavior doesn't happen on Mac Os X 10.6 with a Pd 0.42-5.
Is this a bug? someone else could try it before fill a bug report please?
thanks
husk

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Re: [PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'

[katja]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Christoph Kuhr  wrote:

> but when i want to use define_loudspeakers with a vbap module, pd complains:
>
> error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'


In vbap.c method 'vbap_matrix' is called via message
'loudspeaker-matrices', yet the method is not recognized. Possibly
because the method expects a Symbol argument as well. From the help
patches I can't understand what it really needs. The C-code speaks of
'lsset', loudspeaker set I assume.

Katja

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Re: [PD] probleme with make after ./configure --enable-jack

[Iain Mott]

just to set the record straight, the idea of linking with "-ljack2" was
completely misguided - all it succeeded in doing was to break jack in
the final build of pd-extended. Had more luck building pd-extended from
the svn trunk today - seems like it's all working on ubuntu 11.10 amd64.
i



On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 11:53 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> That would be good ot have in a bug report so we can fix
> Pd's ./configure to handle this. 
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 18:48 -0200, Iain Mott wrote:
> > solved the problem. Needed to replace references to the library -ljack
> > with -ljack2 in Pd-0.42.5-extended/pd/src/configure.
> > 
> > Turns out my machine was always using Jack2. It's just that Jack2 is
> > actually Jack version 1.9.7 - a bit confusing.
> > 
> > i
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 2012-02-08 at 17:11 -0200, Iain Mott wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > This thread is a little old, but I'm having the same problem. 
> > > 
> > > Prince Ba, did you manage to resolve it? I'm getting the same undefined
> > > errors trying to compile Pd-0.42.5-extended on Ubuntu 11.10 64bit using
> > > the instructions here:
> > > 
> > > http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdExtended64bitUbuntuIntrepid
> > > 
> > > That is:
> > > 
> > > /home/iain/tmp/Pd-0.42.5-extended/pd/src/s_audio_jack.c:52: undefined
> > > reference to `jack_port_get_buffer'
> > > /home/iain/tmp/Pd-0.42.5-extended/pd/src/s_audio_jack.c:56: undefined
> > > reference to `jack_port_get_buffer'
> > > /home/iain/tmp/Pd-0.42.5-extended/pd/src/s_audio_jack.c:83: undefined
> > > reference to `jack_port_get_buffer'
> > > ... 
> > > etc.
> > > 
> > > I was trying to compile first with the old version of jack installed - 
> > > then
> > > installed: libjack-jackd2-0, libjack-jackd2-dev and jackd2 but no
> > > change.
> > > 
> > > Can anyone help?
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > > Iain
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 11:55 +0100, prince ba wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > >   Jack2 is installed and lijack-dev is already installed…
> > > > I tried to install the source of jack too, but I got the same error
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 2011/12/28 Charles Goyard 
> > > > prince ba wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > /home/caracteriel/Pd-0.42.5-extended/pd/src/s_audio_jack.c:341: 
> > > > undefined
> > > > > reference to `jack_port_register'
> > > > 
> > > > > I use Ubuntu.
> > > > > Jack is installed with .deb
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > maybe you need to install jack-dev.
> > > > 
> > > > Also is it jack or jack2 installed ?
> > > > 
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Re: [PD] roughness & Pitch-Comonality objects (was Re: number to fractions external?)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

by dirty I meant my patches, some of which are kind prototypes yet, I have
until april to clean them, and show them in my phd defense, hope to have it
ready to announce the patches by then, in April.


the object code is fine, but I've changed it, just have a look to see if
you find something funny.


by the way, I just thanked everyone on this great list on my thesis
ackowledgements, you guys rock


mathieu, you were thankid too, of course, for the coding classes and the
great welcome in my stay in Montreal

cheers


2012/2/12 Mathieu Bouchard 

> Le 2012-02-12 à 04:11:00, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
>
>
>  anyway, I'd just like to say that I hope people will enjoy playing around
>> with these objects, specially the pitch-commonality (that you called
>> "psprofile").
>>
>
> All that naming actually comes from you. I may have made some suggestions
> and commentary about the naming back then, but I'm pretty sure that you
> chose the name of the library.
>
> It's fine to rename the library if you wish... now is the perfect time.
>
>
>  I didn't explore them creatively as much as other stuff in my research,
>> but I'll release those other things too anyway. funny how the thing I've
>> worked the most on is the hardest to release, as it ends up being something
>> very dirty and complex, with a user base of one (myself).
>>
>
> What's dirty in it, according to you ?
>
> Sometimes, the problems with the design of something are only in one's own
> perceptions... I say that by personal experience with NOT coming up with
> implementations of my ideas, or not finishing them, or feeling like I
> should rewrite over and over, because I was being too picky. Yet at once,
> there are often good reasons for reworking... it's just that we've got to
> stop somewhere.
>
> But I'd like a list of things you think should be better, and things that
> are making you uncomfortable using the code. Then we can talk about each of
> them to figure out what needs to be changed, etc.
>
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Re: [PD] import and search paths - 0.43 on debian

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 14/02/12 16:32, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 02/14/12 16:17, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

I know this has probably often been debated but...

I can't seem to understand the logic for which [import] fails with an
error e.g.:

[import]: ERROR: can't load library in monlib


isn't this called "moonlib"?

Yes, bad example with a typo. But the error(s) are still there.

Lorenzo.

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Re: [PD] import and search paths - 0.43 on debian

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 02/14/12 16:17, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

I know this has probably often been debated but...

I can't seem to understand the logic for which [import] fails with an
error e.g.:

[import]: ERROR: can't load library in monlib


isn't this called "moonlib"?

mfgsdar
IOhannes

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[PD] import and search paths - 0.43 on debian

[Lorenzo Sutton]

I know this has probably often been debated but...

I can't seem to understand the logic for which [import] fails with an 
error e.g.:


[import]: ERROR: can't load library in monlib

and doesn't for others.

This is on debian with libraries installed from respective packages, and 
are all in /usr/lib/pd/extra


I may be missing something about the behaviour of [import] but the 
apparently herratic behaviour makes understanding this hard.


Of course all the libs could be imported by prefixing them such as 
[osc/packOSC] but then opening the help patch won't find [udpsend] which 
should then be [iemnet/udpsend] etc. having a single [import iemnet osc] 
would make much more sense. If it worked.


Lorenzo.



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[PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'

[Christoph Kuhr]

Hi list,

im running pd-extended 42.5 on linux mint 11 amd64. its a clean 
installation and after some searching , hacking and stuff i got 
define_loudspeakers compiled against amd64.
the define_loudspeakers object turned from red to normal and the vbap 
object now has its 4 in- and outlets.


but when i want to use define_loudspeakers with a vbap module, pd complains:

error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'


why?

i tried to place vbap.pd_linux and define_loudspeakers.pd_linux in 
/usr/lib/pdextended/extra/vbap as well as in my workspace folder... same 
effect...



regards
Ck


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[PD] [PD-announce] CFP: eContact Biotechnological Performance Practice

[Marco Donnarumma]

Dear all,

this is to inform you that we have extended the deadline (15th March)
for the 14.3 issue of the eContact journal, which I'm Guest Editor
for.

Due to the specificity of this issue, we are unable to consider
proposals exclusively focused on traditional gestural controllers.
Although critical case studies including gestural control along with
biosensing techs are welcome.

http://cec.sonus.ca/econtact/14_3/call.html

Below the original call in case you missed it.

thanks,
best wishes,
M

~~

eContact! extends an open call for contributions to an issue focussing
on the use of the body in electroacoustic performance practice,
coordinated by Guest Editor Marco Donnarumma. Performers, composers
and others are encouraged to contribute their perspectives on the role
or position of the body in experimental practices of musical
performance.

Submission deadline: 15 March 2012
Publication: 15 April 2012

Suggestions for contributions include, but are not limited to the
following ideas:
- Use of Mechanical Myography (MMG), Electromyography (EMG) and other
similar biological signal measurements in performance
- Scoring / notation of body-related performance
- Sound Art dealing with the body and biological aspects of performance
- Development of DIY, biological-based, Interactive Musical Systems (IMS)
- The definition / augmentation of Self on stage by means of biotechnologies
- Cognitive aspects of embodied interaction between the biological
body and computer
- Composer—Technology—Performer: definition of roles?
- Live electronics vs. fixed media in biotechnological performance practice
- Historical overviews and reflections
- Critical perspectives on gesture-based “human-computer interaction”
- The sound of flesh…

We also welcome other contributions that engage in a discourse on the
relation between biophysics and music. Feel free to propose other
ideas!

To state your interest in contributing or for further information,
contact Guest Editor Marco Donnarumma.
http://marcodonnarumma.com
m...@marcodonnarumma.com


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ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing)
The University of Edinburgh, UK
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Re: [PD] Debian, Pd and Midi

[Nicola Pandini]

Il 13/02/2012 01:07, Martin Peach ha scritto:

On 2012-02-12 17:32, Nicola Pandini wrote:

Hi, I'd like to use Pd for midi processing, and I'm trying to find the
flags to have the best "Pd for midi" possible.
For me midi latency is an extremely important factor, so all my efforts
were in the way to optimize it.
I did some experiments, playing with flags and seeing what happens (I
use Pd 0.43.1 on Debian Wheezy, with jack 44.100 - 128 frames):

With
-rt -jack -audiobuf 1 -alsamidi
I get 2.9 ms of midi latency

Adding
-noaudio
I get two possible values: 1.45 or 2.9 ms

Adding
-r 192000
I get 1.33 ms

I don't know why I have to modify the sample rate (-r) to affects the
midi latency.


Pd sends non-audio messages in between audio blocks, usually every 64 
sample frames. MIDI is sent via a Pd message. You may not get latency 
so much as jitter on the millisecond level, as all messages are 
quantized to the audio block period.
At 44100Hz, 64 sample frames take up 1.4512 ms, so Pd messages are 
spaced at multiples of that period.
So you get either one or two frames latency depending on when you send 
the message relative to the audio block.

Running at a higher sample rate gives you lower message latency.
Add to that the latency of the MIDI driver and hardware, which is 
probably less than 1ms. As well a full 3-byte MIDI message takes 
0.96ms to send at 31250Hz (30 bits * 32us/bit).
Probably you could get lower latency by encoding the MIDI directly as 
an audio waveform but you'd need to make a hardware circuit to convert 
the audio levels to MIDI levels.

Since sound travels about 1 meter in 3ms, it's not all that much latency.

Martin


Thank you Martin, now it's all more clear.

--
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended can't see $0-arrays ???

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 14/02/12 04:38, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

Le 2012-02-14 à 07:33:00, Фывапр Олджэвич a écrit :


Why can't I create Arrays with names like " $0-tab " ?


$0 has no effect in messageboxes. You need to generate it using a 
float box such as [f $0] or even just [$0].


For [soundfiler] you can also use a symbol to pass as the array name and 
that will correcly translate $0 Eg.


[bang(
|
[symbol $0-tab]
|
[read -resize myfile.aiff $1(
|
[soundfiler]

As for [tabwrite] and [tabread] using $0 will work fine (e.g. [tabwrite $0]

For sending messages to arrays such as resize, normalize etc. you can 
use [send $0-tab] objects instead of the [;resize tablename( notation


Lorenzo.


Yes, this is a quite annoying shortcoming of Pd... especially because 
if you already are passing something to the messagebox, you have to 
add a [pack] and a [loadbang].


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