[pd] 100000hz+

i just made a synth which makes some really nice tones when i feed it really high frequencies. (midi notes 150-300) question is, will this sound the same on all computers, or do different systems handle such high frequencies differently? ___

[PD] clearing a delwrite~

is there any way to clear a delwrite~ object so that i don't get unwanted feedback? or pehaps another way to write a delayline that is clearable? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] clearing a delwrite~

i made an fm synth that has a delay line on it, and if i retrigger notes faster than the delay on the delay line, the delay from the previous note bleeds into the new note. this makes clicks when the 2 notes overlap. i can think of a workaround, but if there would be a way to clear the

Re: [PD] clearing a delwrite~

yeah i decided to go with the poly option. still, it would be nice if there was a clear option for delwrite~ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] up-down saw-wave

does anybody know how to make an up-down saw-wave ? phasor~ just ramps up and then goes straight back to 0, but i want something that ramps up then back down again. i know it's possible to use a [metro] and [line~] based solution, but that falls apart at high frequencies. is there a way to do

[PD] rounding edges of audio waves

(question 2) does anyone have a nice method for 'sanding the edges' of audio waves when they approach the top or bottom of an array? for example, if i use [*~ 10] | [clip~ -1 1] is there something i can do to make the signal fade towards 1 and -1, rather than just abruptly turning 90

Re: [PD] up-down saw-wave

ah thanks. a triangle oscillator is exactly what i need. cheers. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Ergates game-like audiovisual instrument

[hid] is the only way to get HID data from Mac OS X with Pd. does this mean that [multio] will never work for osx, even if i or someone else does eventually compile the external? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

[PD] frequency shifter

in the following picture: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Mar02/images/synth4.gif how do i make a frequency shifter ? is this the same as the pitch shifter that i can rip from the pd docs, or is there a simpler way?? cheers. ___ PD-list@iem.at

Re: [PD] frequency shifter

attached is my snare drum which uses the freqshift~ external (http://www.weiss-archiv.de or cvs) and the kick drum i did the other day. these both took me way too long, but they sound good. particularly when run through analogue distortion. kicksnare~.pd Description: Binary data

Re: [PD] re bug report on pd not finding files

pd itself is platform independant, but some extrernals won't run on all platforms. im guessing you're on osx because the externals you have listed don't run on my osx system either. there are hundreds, probably now thousands of externals that will run for you though...you will surely be able to

Re: [PD] frequency shifter

here u go: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Mar02/articles/synthsecrets0302.asp ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] frequency shifter

after having a good listen, it doesn't sound as good as it did with [freqshift~]. i don't understand the maths behind that so no idea why, but it's obvious to my ears. its especially clear when you increase the attack time. ___ PD-list@iem.at

Re: [PD] frequency shifter

works like a charm now. ... and i think nearly everyone who posted in this thread was hitting on some good idea. the only one i didn't follow up was the [hilbert~] one, and that was what i needed to eliminate the need for the freqshift~ external. cheers everyone. now i can go on to part 2 of

[PD] osc~ / phasor~ / cos~ ...sometimes clicking

has anybody else experienced small clicks every now and then from pd's oscillators? i have noticed it before with [phasor~], and today i was getting it pretty badly with [cos~]..about 1 click every 10 seconds. this is nothing to do with the contents of the patch, because just a [cos~] connected

Re: [PD] reverse variable speed soundplayback?

nice one :) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] bang when phasor~ reaches 1

i want a phasor~ to send a bang when the signal reaches 1. any ideas? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] bang when phasor~ reaches 1

well i ended up doing a metro and vline~ job. this patch is still unfinished, but it's working enough that i could take a rest from patching and have a mess round with it today. i posted the workign draft on the forum: http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=2494#p2494

Re: [PD] after pokesdown

ok i'll make a topic about that. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] after pokesdown

miller vanilla ha ha ha!!! also, that quote from you about pd being the crack cocaine of multimedia software is awesome. go andy! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [pd] [noise~],[expr~], questions

about the nth power of a signal, i want n as a variable, so the chain of [*~] objects is not exactly perfect. i tried [pow~] but it doesn't seem to work the way i expected. do you want to have an osc~ signal interspersed with noise such that the noise occurs 25% of the time and the osc~ the

Re: [pd] [noise~],[expr~], questions

ah, THAT'S where i saw it last. yeah frank i do have your vead~ patch. in case anybody else was wondering, the syntax is: [expr~ pow($v1, $f2)] ...no idea where we can find a full syntax list for expr~ ??? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [pd] [noise~],[expr~], questions

yeah. 25% was just a guess. thanks for the help with expr~ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] tuning an AM radio ideas

try this: [noise~ ][number box( || [expr~ pow($v1,$f2)] | [outlet~] ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] reverse variable speed soundplayback?

putting a [*~] after the [vline~] affects the volume, doesn't it? no. if you put a [*~ ] AFTER the [tabread4~] it affects the volume. but if you change the signal leading into the [tabread4~] then that's only going to alter the speed at which the table is read. sorry, my explaination is not

Re: [PD] Find Last Error

it never finds my errors anyway :( ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] loadpath

yeah cheers frank. that is super handy. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] sflist equivalent?

If not, it shouldn't be too hard to do in an abstraction, I would guess... no, it would be really easy ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Re: [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-test7 released

on mac os 10.39 there are a lot of great improvements from the last version i had (0.39.4-extended) thanks hans. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [pd] gui redraw improved by holding down a random key

actually, just playing round with the audio settings is having an effect here. even though compute audio is turned off. it seems that the rate of gui redraw is connected to the audio latency, and somehow you can override that by holding down a key on the keyboard. hmm.. kind of annoying

Re: [PD] Re: Looping

maybe i'm completely missing the point here, but if you're looping a sample from exactly start to finish, then just zoom in really close in soundforge and cut the start point so that the sample starts at a zero crossing, and then do the same with the end point.

Re: [PD] Universal synth editor

you should totally do it, andy. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Re: Looping

well, i just checked the sample, and it didn't loop smoothly in any software i have. then i opened it in a sound editor, and the start point is zero, but the end point is not zero, which would be why pd makes a drastic click. i will now bow out of this discussion, because i can't see why

Re: [PD] Re: Looping

oops, shouldn't be so rude...my mistake. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] tom hanks

warning, this patch may contain a badly drawn picture of tom hanks. tom_hanks.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] tom hanks

no, that's tony hawk. tom hanks is an actor. his acting is nearly as bad as my jokes. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] ..

the most foolproof way is to write the complete path to your sample, eg c:/audio/samples/sample.wav the easiest way is to put your sample in the same folder as your patch, and then use only one dot before the filename, eg [read -resize ./sample.wav arrayname( you could also put the sample in a

Re: [PD] xYzee! - an audio toy for PD

nice, the mp3 samples sound great. i'm on osx and not sure how to compile a pd_darwin file yet, so i can't help with porting the bassemu~ external, but this patch looks useful juts for the scales and arpeggio effects and stuff. cheers alberto. ___

[pd] shaper filter

has someone got a shaper filter patch? preferably one where i can draw the frequency responce curve into an array. cheers ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [pd] shaper filter

i was hoping to do it without resynthesis. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [pd] shaper filter

cheers denis, thanks for your replies. i want to get something that does the same job as the shaper filter in the k2000 synthbut from reading a bit, i still don't have too much idea, but i think that maybe it's just a combination of a waveshaper and a filter. i will read more.

Re: [pd] shaper filter

Isnt the K2000 the Kurzweil with the socalled VAST synthesis engine? yes. sorry i forgot that the kawai's also share a model number. maybe there is a shaping filter without resynthesis? yes, there definately is a shaping filter. and i'm pretty sure that it does not include any

Re: [pd] shaper filter

well, i downloaded the manual for the k2000, and from what i can gather, the shaper filter that my friend told me about is not actually a filter at all, but a waveshaper not very far removed from pd's [cos~] object, but with a couple of important tweaks. sounds ok. think i will string a few

Re: [pd] shaper filter

aaarrhh! watch your speakers if you play that patch, it will start making sound as soon as it is opened, and it's pretty loud. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Dynamic generation of $0-including objects?

this thread is brought to you by the letter [$0] and the word [kludge] (i promise no more jokes for the next few weeks. my pd tracker is starting to make sounds, so i have some drumloops to cut.) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] Dynamic generation of $0-including objects?

yeah for sure. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] triangle with modulation

check the help patch J.05.triangle.pd ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] triangle with modulation

actually, wouldn't it make sense for the help patch to have the constant amplitude variation as default? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Pd-0.39.2-extended-test6.app -missing alternate

O well if u can't find it you can build an abstraction to do the same thing very easily. mine is called [altern-8] ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] 2 pole lpf with resonance? Eample

cool nice one. if you add this to your resonance slider, it will be even smoother: [resonance slider] | [$1 50( | [line] ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] PD - patches do not display - blank windows

did you try opening a file from the menubar using the open command? is editmode turned on? (ctrl E , usually) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Noop message.

for control data, i just use -1 as a 'noop' , and then [route -1]..all the data except -1 comes out the right outlet ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Noop message.

with a list, route only works on the first element yeah, so unpack the list first, and route each output individually. like: [unpack float float float] || | [route noop] [route noop] [route noop] | |

Re: [PD] Noop message.

oh yeah, sorry. that's why i would use -1 or another integer instead of noop. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Noop message.

quick edit to make no errors (i hope!) i mainly like this thread cos it has given such life to the word 'noop' ;) noop2.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] Dynamic patching questions

or the edit subpatch of the iemgui help objects has some rgb-iemgui conversion stuff. so, basically, make a canvas, right click on it, and select help...then go into the 'edit subpatch' ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] cange for symbols/lists?

i made a list-change patch. it seems to work as it should, but with my dodgy patching, there is no warranty. list-change.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

yeah i think you're distorting the daylights out of it. have a look at the help patch i03-resynthesis. it shows how to divide the signal so it doesn't max out crazily. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?

wow! thanks for all that Frank!! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] select subpatch

i have two subpatches open. i click on one to bring it to the front. what object can tell me that i have clicked on the open window of a subpatch? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

both problems appear on mac too. probably tcl/tk related too, i think. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] select subpatch

that's exactly what i needed. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] update to pecycle and spigot~

jared, instead of making a new thread, please reply to your original post next time. you can very easily make [spigot~] as an abstraction, see attached patch spigot2~.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] spigot~

which i just did, and posted it to another one of jared's trilogy of threads ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] spigot~

yes. sorry for causing offense. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

the worst is when you have a bunch of subpatches that you don't need to edit or look at after you do the initial coding. ..if you save your main patch 40 or 50 times, those 3 or 4 pixels really add up, and all your subpatches grow really huge. ___

Re: [PD] Tower of Hanoi

will have a look now, but wikipedia says it takes 561 billion years to get a solution. you may never see me again! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [textfile] behavior

not checked your patch, sorry...but i guess you need [msgfile] from the zexy library. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

cheers miller, that would be awesome. sorry to keep this going, but what about bug #2: 2) The opening position of property dialogs, when repeatedly accessed, wander down the screen, until eventually, they are nearly off the bottom of the screen. I'm guessing the behavior is partly intentional,

Re: [PD] Local Tables

i heard they went on strike about a lack of [chair] objects. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] kit model

the motor one is really cool. especially with the different presets. ..changing the preset button rapidly is the coolest 'musical' effect i reckon. i think the toggles should trigger a line object to gradually stop the motors spinning. because motors never just stop suddenly.

Re: [PD] time-to-symbol

yeah, awesome. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] oldschool rave synths

have you made a good oldschool pd synth? anything i make sounds like some roland groovebox from the 90's. anyone got any cool old rave sounds? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

andy's tokyo techno one is cool. but i want hoovers. i keep try to make them and they always suck. there must have been a secret ingredient that i am forgetting. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] oldschool rave synths

Juno is a pwm + saw + square mix, with the ooh la la! perfect. cheers. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] pd 'instrument' ?

click on more next to where it says: a software-sequencer controls 8 solen... in the youtube window. nice video ! thanks for the link. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] how to pack symbols together and eliminate the space?

[pack s s] | [makesymbol %s%s] ? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] linear - log - what's the equation?

i have lots of sliders that use the log function, but i want to convert them to liner so they will be compatible with my midi knobs. how do i use the [log] object to convert a linear slider's output into the same values as a similar logarithmic one? for example: linear slider min=0 max=100

Re: [PD] how to pack symbols together and eliminate the space?

IOhannes, is makesymbol going to be zapped from zexy in the future? is there any particular reason why we shouldn't use makesymbol? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] linear - log - what's the equation?

thanks roman, that's spot on. :) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] how to pack symbols together and eliminate the space?

i have so many patches with makesymbol constructs. personally i hope it stays in there just so i don't have to go and redo them all when i upgrade to 0.40 i guess until then i'll start using [l2s] ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] how to pack symbols together and eliminate the space?

..and i have no idea what i'm talking about. just ignore me ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [not really OT] a contemporary sensibility?

i made a poo : ) (poo attached) poo.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] [pd] forum hacked

some hackers just took down the pd forum ( http://puredata.hurleur.com/ ) does anyone know how to fix that? hopefully neko, who moderates the forum, can do something. it would be a shame if we lost all the posts from there. ___ PD-list@iem.at

Re: [PD] how to pack symbols together and eliminate the space?

the only good thing about this object is its name that's why i use it ;) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] all-about-curved-envelopes (Was: Re: ead~?)

i made an expr~ equation that makes an ead~ curve from an audio signal (such as phasor~, or vline~) exact-ead~.pd Description: Binary data ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] Flute synthesis

maybe the oboe from andy's 'christchurch' track would be a good start: http://obiwannabe.co.uk/html/compositions/compositions.html ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] bang on ~ 0 crossing?

attached post does what you want, to an accuracy of 1 ms. but another approach is to do away with the phasor and use fast metro attached to vline~..hang on, i'll attach that too. phasor-retrig.pd Description: Binary data v-phasor~.pd Description: Binary data

Re: [PD] Implementing switch-and-ramp technique to cancel discontinuities

get the attack value at the inconsistency, crossfade back between that value and the original signal. see attached patch. of course, the problem is you usually don't know where the inconsistency will arise. the only way around that is to delay the audio while your patch finds such a probem.

Re: [PD] Implementing switch-and-ramp technique to cancel discontinuities

btw. just found a bug in my patch. corrected here: switch-and-ramp3.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

my friends and i have done a few mixes liek this and the ended up great. of course i'm in. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] analogue clipping

what's the best and most cpu efficient way to clip a signal in an analogue fashion, rather than getting nasty digital distortion? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

quick tanh looks good. i put in a dollar and my cpu gave me 96 cents change! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

yeah...please don't use [$2$1( message boxes or anything like that which aren't in 0.39 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] question about pdx7 for Frank Barknecht

while we're on the subject: frank, did you or anyone ever make presets for pdx7? there are datasheets available here: http://www.thedx7.co.uk/DataSheet%20Banks.htm ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] Realtime-version of I07.phase.vocoder.pd

maybe easier to go the granular route than mess about with fft. i just did a quick search for 'realtime timestretch' and a lot of people are saying that the granular based patches/plugins are good. makes sense toocos if you use a phase vocoder approach, you will have to speed thru the audio

Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

..and also the ever-requested 'turn an abstraction into a subpatch' button. was there ever a good reason not to make that? should be simple, no? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] Realtime-version of I07.phase.vocoder.pd

could you post that again as an attachment? my email gives me signs before every line, so ti can't make it into a pd patch. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] How to fix path to read a sound file

did you right click on the objects to bring up their help files? they should give you the info you need. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] [pd] switch object for non-audio processes

[switch~] lets me turn off audio processing within a subpatch or abstraction, but is there a way to turn off all non-audio processing as well? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

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