[PD] [PD-announce] [Performances] STEIM Concert of Bodies Sat. 15 March, AMS
(forgive any x-post) What your body can do? It can breathe, sweat, pulsate, bleed, cry, jump, walk and run, stay still, wait, think, feel and perceive, see, touch, smell, read, write and learn, communicate, surprise, seduce, entertain, love, die and become ashes. Concert of Bodies brings before your eyes sounding bodies in all their physicality. Sonorous, invisible, imaginary, impalpable, yet physical, visceral, pulsating and alive bodies! Join us for a night of music where sound materiality is caressed, touched, molded and torn only to escape the digital and reach out for your ears. Line Up: Marije Baalman (NL) Erfan Abdi (IR/NL) Marco Donnarumma (IT/UK) More: http://steim.org/event/concert-of-bodies/ DETAILS: DATE: 15th of March, 2014 TIME: 20:00 COST: EURO 7,50 (Students with a student card get a EURO 2,50 discount) LOCATION: STEIM Concert Space, Utrechtsedwarsstraat 134, Amsterdam Curated by Marco Donnarumma and STEIM best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma Performer, body tinkerer, teacher and writer. #soundandmusic #biotech #freeculture EAVI - Goldsmiths, University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] The Xth Sense: make your own biowearable for interactive performance
Dear all, I'll be back at STEIM this weekend with an intensive course on the biophysical instrument Xth Sense (Pd-based). Hope to see some of you there! This weekend course offers hands-on experience and theoretical training in the performance of biophysical music and visuals with the Xth Sense (XS). Workshop participants will build from scratch their own XS sensors, then learn how to analyze and map the data from their muscle and body movements to generate music, visuals, and do live processing of sound. Attention will also be paid to aesthetic considerations when using the XS system in artistic contexts. At the end of the workshop, participants will take home the XS bioacoustic sensors they built, and the related software for their own continued creative use. DETAILS: DATE: 15-16 MARCH, 2014 TIME: 10-17h each day COST: EURO 110 (includes EURO 25 sensor kit & parts) MAXIMUM PARTICIPANTS: 12 LOCATION: STEIM Concert Space, Utrechtsedwarsstraat 134, Amsterdam More info: http://steim.org/event/xth-sense-make-your-own-biophysical-sensor-for-interactive-music-and-video-2/ The Xth Sense in action: https://vimeo.com/86766860 Some topics covered in the workshop include: - Theoretical background on the state of art of gestural control of music - Introduction to the Xth Sense (XS) framework (technical overview, capabilities) - Building the wearable biosensor - An introduction to the open source artistic programming language PureData, tips and tricks for using PureData in live settings - Explorations of bioacoustic sound design capabilities - Building audio modules and signal processing chains - Aesthetics of bioacoustic sensor-based performance - Mapping muscle energy to control values and real-time processing - Designing an aesthetic vocabulary for body-sensor performance best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma Performer, body tinkerer, teacher and writer. #soundandmusic #biotech #freeculture EAVI - Goldsmiths, University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Visceral resonances from New York, Amsterdam and Karlsruhe
(sorry for x-posts) Dears, here's my 6-monthly newsletter, hope you enjoy the reading. http://marcodonnarumma.com/next/march2014/ What's up: - Watch Ominous, an incarnated sound sculpture - Xth Sense biophysical music workshop in New York - Next performances in New York, Amsterdam and Karlsruhe - The Xth Sense: Phase #2 launch at LISA Salon, New York - On the press: "Molding sound with flesh" on Create Digital Music best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma Performer, body tinkerer, teacher and writer. #soundandmusic #biotech #freeculture EAVI - Goldsmiths, University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] [Workshop NYC] The Xth Sense: make your own biophysical wearable for interactive sound and video
[apologies for x-post] REVERSE is thrilled to announce a unique, one weekend workshop to be hosted at our space on Saturday March 8th and Sunday March 9th. The Xth Sense: Making your own Biophysical Sensor is a hands-on training in augmentation of the body for musical performance. The Xth Sense (XS) is a DIY biotechnological musical instrument that amplifies the muscle sound of the human body, and use them as control data and musical material for interactive performance. It is open source and it was named the "world's most innovative new musical instrument" by the Georgia Tech Center for Music Technology (US, 2012). WHEN: Saturday March 8 and Sunday March 9, between 1-6 PM WHERE: Reverse Space, REGISTRATION: $300 REGULAR - $270 STUDENT (WITH ID) * Sensors are included The workshop will be limited to 12 participants. More info and registration at: http://reversespace.org/the-xth-sense-making-your-own-biophysical-sensor/ Developed by performer, body tinkerer, biotech creator and writer Marco Donnarumma, this two-session workshop will teach participants how to build their own XS sensor from scratch and how to generate visceral music and control live videos using the muscle sounds of their bodies. http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense http://marcodonnarumma.com/bio/ The XS amplifies the muscle sounds of the human body, and use them as control data and musical material. When a performer contracts any muscle low frequency sounds are produced. By capturing these sounds with the XS microphone sensor and live sampling them with a computer visceral music is generated in real time. It's like connecting a guitar to an effect pedal; but here is the body to be connected to an adaptive computational system. One has complete control over the sound shape by simply contracting muscles in different ways. No previous experience in electronics or programming is required, however participants should be familiar with digital music creation. At the end of the workshop, attendants will be able to keep the XS biosensors they built, and the related software for their own use. -- Marco Donnarumma Performer, body tinkerer, teacher and writer. #soundandmusic #biotech #freeculture EAVI - Goldsmiths, University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Wich licence?
Hey, it depends what kind of restrictions are you talking about. A program is free software when guarantees: - The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). - The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. - The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). - The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. A GNU license guarantee all those core freedoms to all users. The restriction is that users have to apply the same license to anything they do with or from your software. They can also sell what they do with your software, but must ensure the same license is applied. MIT license, for instance, guarantees core freedoms (please, correct me if wrong), but allows users to change the license of their derivative works. Also check the LGPL. hope that helps, cheers, -- Marco Donnarumma Performer, body tinkerer, teacher and writer. #soundandmusic #biotech #freeculture EAVI - Goldsmiths, University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:16:50 -0300 > From: Mario Mey > Subject: [PD] Wich licence? > To: pd-list > Message-ID: <52fe1742.5060...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I made a Multi-FX Looper called "MEH-SYSTEM", posted in PD Forum: > http://puredata.hurleur.com/viewtopic.php?pid=37430 > > I want to put a license to it. Where should I get information about > types of licences? > > I don't think in any restriction... I only would want to know where, > when, how and by-who it was used. Only that. > > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Immersive biophysical concert - ICT & ART Connect London
Hi all, tonight I'll be performing the piece Ominous, an incarnated sound sculpture for the Xth Sense biophysical technology. The piece immerses the audience in a circular quadraphonic setup for 4 subwoofers and light. http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/ominous/ The performance is organised in occasion of the ICT & Art Connect West London event. Among the other artists Stanza, Kate Sicchio and Jason Singh. Below info about this EU-funded event. Let me know if you're around tonight. The event goes tomorrow as well, with a interesting initiatives. http://www.ict-art-connect.eu/event/ict-art-connect-london-west/ "ICT & ART Connect sets out to bring together artists and technologists to explore new ways of working. Collaborative acts of co-creation, together with an open and multidisciplinary discussion, will foster the bringing together of art and technology. The initiative stems from the EU FP7 funded support action FET-ART, addressing the FET (Future Emerging Technologies) objective of the FP7 ICT Theme. The project partnership includes Sigma Orionis (coordinator), Brunel University, Stichting Waag Society, Stromatolite and BCC." best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] The body vexed - Hypo Chrysos Action Art for Biophysical Media at CYNETART Fest
(apologies for any x-post) Dear all, if you happen to be in Dresden this weekend. On Thursday and Saturday night I'll be at CYNETART Festival performing a new version of Hypo Chrysos, an action art piece for Xth Sense biophysical media, multiple loudspeakers and subwoofers, and real-time visuals. Info below. wishing you well, M \\ in occasion of Metabody Performance Night @ CYNETART Festival Hypo Chrysos v.2 action art for vexed body and biophysical media (Xth Sense) "During this twenty minutes action I pull two concrete blocks in a circle. My motion is oppressively constant. I have to force myself into accepting the pain until the action is ended. The increasing strain of my corporeal tissues produces continuous bioacoustic signals. The sound of the blood flow, muscle contraction bursts, and bone crackling are amplified, accumulated, distorted, and played back through 4 loudspeakers and 4 subwoofers using the biophysical instrument Xth Sense (Pd-based), developed by the author... When the performer’s muscle vibration becomes tangible sound breaching into the outer world, it invades the audience members’ bodies through their ears, skin, and muscle sensory receptors. The sound makes their muscles resonate, establishing a nexus between player and audience. The listeners’ bodies, the player’s body, and the performance space resonate synchronously" VIDEO: http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/hypo-chrysos/ WHEN: Thursday 14th November / Saturday 16th November WHERE: Dresden, Great Hall of the Hellerau Festpielhaus, Germany COST: Thursday £3, Saturday £5/8 PUBLICATION: http://cec.sonus.ca/econtact/14_2/donnarumma_hypochrysos.html Metabody Conference is part of the Metahuman/Metaformance Studies programme of the European Community-funded Metabody Project, that embraces the series of presentations taking part in more than 25 events in more than 15 cities of 11 countries. Coordinated by Reverso. -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] earGram: concatenate sound synthesis/generative music
Thanks Gilberto! sounds great. Will take a look,... here at Goldsmiths we are developing time-series analysis and statistical methods for Pd (and other software), that's the reason of my interest. best wishes, M -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Gilberto Bernardes wrote: > Dear Marco > > thanks for your feedback. The dimensionality reduction algorithms are not > externals...simply abstraction, so, I guess you will not find any trouble > running it on Linux. If you run it on pd-extended, I'm pretty sure you will > not need other any external libraries, with the exception of gridflow for > the computation of eigenvectors in PCA. > > Look into earGramv0.18>dependencies>abs you will find all abstractions > here, or just open the file _absOverview. > > There's a couple of solutions for dimensionality reduction more or less > complex such as: > self-organised maps (SOM) > PCA > haar > dct > random projection > star centroid > and star coordinates (the only applied in earGram, actually) > > best, > Gilberto > > > 2013/11/6 Marco Donnarumma > >> Hi Gilberto, >> >> thanks for sharing your work! >> >> I'm interested in looking at your dimensionality reduction objects, but >> I'm a Linux user. Any plan to port your work to Linux? >> >> thanks! >> best wishes, >> M >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >> ~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Gilberto Bernardes > > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I’m working on a project for my PhD that recombines audio segments >>> according to pre-defined generative methods. For those familiarised with >>> concatenative sound synthesis, earGram reformulates the notion of unit >>> selection algorithms to encompass generative music strategies. It relies >>> heavily on timbreID a known library for PD by William Brent. >>> >>> >>> So, here's the website that hosts the project: >>> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/eargram/ >>> >>> You can find project examples in the download section as well. P >>> >>> >>> In addition there are plenty of abstractions that may interest you, in >>> particular clustering and dimensionality reduction algorithms... >>> >>> As you can guess, I would like to get feedbacks and advises. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Gilberto Bernardes >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Pd-announce mailing list >>> pd-annou...@iem.at >>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >>> >>> >> > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] earGram: concatenate sound synthesis/generative music
Hi Gilberto, thanks for sharing your work! I'm interested in looking at your dimensionality reduction objects, but I'm a Linux user. Any plan to port your work to Linux? thanks! best wishes, M -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Gilberto Bernardes wrote: > Hi, > > I’m working on a project for my PhD that recombines audio segments according > to pre-defined generative methods. For those familiarised with concatenative > sound synthesis, earGram reformulates the notion of unit selection algorithms > to encompass generative music strategies. It relies heavily on timbreID a > known library for PD by William Brent. > > > So, here's the website that hosts the project: > > https://sites.google.com/site/eargram/ > > You can find project examples in the download section as well. P > > > In addition there are plenty of abstractions that may interest you, in > particular clustering and dimensionality reduction algorithms... > > As you can guess, I would like to get feedbacks and advises. > > > Best, > > Gilberto Bernardes > > > ___ > Pd-announce mailing list > pd-annou...@iem.at > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] strategy to apply shaders/motion blur to pmpd in a 1900x800 rectangular gemwin
thanks c! way simpler than I thought :) -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Cyrille Henry wrote: > here is an example > c > > Le 05/11/2013 16:10, Marco Donnarumma a écrit : > >> Hi Cyrille, >> >> ok, I now managed to use gemframebuffer in a smaller test patch. For some >> reason, in my larger patch it crashes everytime I connect it to the pmpd >> system. Had to use [scaleXYZ 0.5 1 1] to fit the rectangular dimension of >> the gemwin. >> >> Could you explain a little more how you achieve the motion blur? >> i.e. what do you mean with "just render 10 primitives for every image..."? >> >> thanks! >> M >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >> ~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Cyrille Henry > c...@chnry.net>> wrote: >> >> hello Marco, >> >> better than snap2tex, you can use rendering in framebuffer. The >> framebuffer can directly be rendered as a texture, no snapping is needed. >> >> i did not understand the way you make your motion blur. >> I usually have my model to run at a frequency 5 or 10 time faster >> than the rendering. then, you can just render 10 primitives for every >> image... >> or make 10 rendering per frame, and average them in the final render. >> >> cheers >> c >> >> >> >> >> Le 05/11/2013 12:08, Marco Donnarumma a écrit : >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have a 1900 x 800 gemwin. I render a few geos on a big [sphere] >> and a pmpd system on top of it. >> >> I'd need some cpu-friendly motion blur and glow effects on >> everything rendered in the gemwin. >> >> My strategy so far has been to split the final rendering into two >> 800x800 squares. That is: >> >> I have two [snap2tex] snapping two separate [gemwin -1] onto two >> [square]. One [snap2tex] has 0 0 offset, and the other has 800 0 offset. >> Then, by modulating the opacity of [colorRGB] for the 2 squares I can get >> motion blur effect. >> >> This works fine, but the same splitting strategy doesn't work for >> shaders. If I apply a shader to the two [square] the coordinate of the >> texture are all mixed up. >> >> Also, when applying the shaders the cpu go up +30%, whereas >> [snap2 tex] takes way less resources. is that normal? >> >> What's the best way to go here? >> >> thanks! >> best, >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >> ~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >> Director: http://www.__liveperformersmeeting.net <http://www. >> liveperformersmeeting.net> >> >> >> _ >> Pd-list@iem.at <mailto:Pd-list@iem.at> mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list < >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> listinfo/pd-list >> >> ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] strategy to apply shaders/motion blur to pmpd in a 1900x800 rectangular gemwin
Hi Cyrille, ok, I now managed to use gemframebuffer in a smaller test patch. For some reason, in my larger patch it crashes everytime I connect it to the pmpd system. Had to use [scaleXYZ 0.5 1 1] to fit the rectangular dimension of the gemwin. Could you explain a little more how you achieve the motion blur? i.e. what do you mean with "just render 10 primitives for every image..."? thanks! M -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Cyrille Henry wrote: > hello Marco, > > better than snap2tex, you can use rendering in framebuffer. The > framebuffer can directly be rendered as a texture, no snapping is needed. > > i did not understand the way you make your motion blur. > I usually have my model to run at a frequency 5 or 10 time faster than > the rendering. then, you can just render 10 primitives for every image... > or make 10 rendering per frame, and average them in the final render. > > cheers > c > > > > > Le 05/11/2013 12:08, Marco Donnarumma a écrit : > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a 1900 x 800 gemwin. I render a few geos on a big [sphere] and a >> pmpd system on top of it. >> >> I'd need some cpu-friendly motion blur and glow effects on everything >> rendered in the gemwin. >> >> My strategy so far has been to split the final rendering into two 800x800 >> squares. That is: >> >> I have two [snap2tex] snapping two separate [gemwin -1] onto two >> [square]. One [snap2tex] has 0 0 offset, and the other has 800 0 offset. >> Then, by modulating the opacity of [colorRGB] for the 2 squares I can get >> motion blur effect. >> >> This works fine, but the same splitting strategy doesn't work for >> shaders. If I apply a shader to the two [square] the coordinate of the >> texture are all mixed up. >> >> Also, when applying the shaders the cpu go up +30%, whereas [snap2 tex] >> takes way less resources. is that normal? >> >> What's the best way to go here? >> >> thanks! >> best, >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >> ~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >> >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> listinfo/pd-list >> >> ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] strategy to apply shaders/motion blur to pmpd in a 1900x800 rectangular gemwin
Hi all, I have a 1900 x 800 gemwin. I render a few geos on a big [sphere] and a pmpd system on top of it. I'd need some cpu-friendly motion blur and glow effects on everything rendered in the gemwin. My strategy so far has been to split the final rendering into two 800x800 squares. That is: I have two [snap2tex] snapping two separate [gemwin -1] onto two [square]. One [snap2tex] has 0 0 offset, and the other has 800 0 offset. Then, by modulating the opacity of [colorRGB] for the 2 squares I can get motion blur effect. This works fine, but the same splitting strategy doesn't work for shaders. If I apply a shader to the two [square] the coordinate of the texture are all mixed up. Also, when applying the shaders the cpu go up +30%, whereas [snap2 tex] takes way less resources. is that normal? What's the best way to go here? thanks! best, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] DMT - Donnarumma, Michalakos, Tanaka tonight at Watermans Digital Weekender
apologies for x-post ~~~ DMT live ~~~ FREE TONIGHT, Saturday 2 Nov, Bar 19.00 Watermans Arts Center, Downstairs Bar Brentford, London DMT is Marco Donnarumma, Christos Michalakos, and Atau Tanaka, a trio of visceral electronic musicians that interface corporeal gesture and physical gesture with pulsing electronic noise. Donnarumma plays the Xth Sense biophysical muscle sensor system to sonify the performer's body. Tanaka runs granular synthesis algorithms on the iPhone, and Michalakos plays the Augmented Drum-Kit, a bespoke electroacoustic instrument based on the acoustic drum-kit. Together they create a wall of sound that is live technological thrill. http://www.watermans.org.uk/exhibitions/exhibitions/digital-art--performance-weekender.aspx Hope to see some of you there, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] glsl and pmpd error
Hey all, I'm successfully using [pix_shader] glsl stuff with geos and images, but when I try to plug it to a pmpd patch Pd freezes and crashes with this error: Error in `pdextended': malloc(): corrupted unsorted chunks 2: 0x0a4c1740 The pmpd system is not too big, just about 2000 particles. any hint? thank you! -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Mediating physicality and the flesh - Mexico, Shanghai, Dresden, London
(sorry for x-posts) Dear all, here's my 6-monthly mailout October 2013. Find it at http://marcodonnarumma.com/next/october2013/ You'll find more about: - Nigredo wins second prize at TransitioMX 2013 New Media Art competition - RPM Sound Art China: biophysical concert at Shanghai Biennial - The Xth Sense: from the stage to the market - Hypo Chrysos double performance at CYNETART Festival / Metabody Project - DMT: Donnarumma, Tanaka, Michalakos new trio Thanks for reading and sharing! best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Biomediations, sound and body performance at TransitioMX, Mexico DF
(sorry for x-post) 25th September Mexico City, h 17.00 Award ceremony + Biophysical music performance CENART, Centro Nacional de Las Artes ~~ Dear all, my latest private installation work "Nigredo" (made with Linux, the Xth Sense and Pd), created this February during a residency at STEIM with Marije Baalman and other collaborators, has been nominated for the TransitioMX award. http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/nigredo/ In occasion of the award ceremony, tomorrow 25th September at the CENART in Mexico City, I'll be performing a 30 minutes concert for biophysical music, combining my earliest Xth Sense composition "Music for Flesh II" with "Ominous", the very latest music piece recently committed by the European Conference of Promoters of New Music. If you're around, be sure to come for this exciting event, and also to visit the related exhibition with national and international artworks drawing upon this year's theme of "Biomediations",* *with Artistic Director Dra. Joanna Zylinska. Info: http://transitiomx.net/index.html hope to see some of you there, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] prevent opening of patches
yes, exactly what I was thinking about. thanks Ivica. M -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > FWIW, the latest pd-l2ork release has a “-unique” flag (disabled by > default) so whenever you open a new file by double-clicking inside a file > browser, it will open it inside an existing instance (if any) or spawn a > new instance (if none). Spawning instances with –unique flag will force > creation of a new instance. > > ** ** > > *From:* pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] *On Behalf > Of *Marco Donnarumma > *Sent:* Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:14 AM > *To:* pd-list@iem.at > *Subject:* Re: [PD] prevent opening of patches > > ** ** > > That's useful, but up until recently you had to create a second instance > of Pd from the command line anyway, since OSX would show you the instance > you already had if you tried to open it from the operating system. > > Or...have I missed the point? My friend and collaborator always needs two > Pd's, one for Gemnotes and one for audio processing, to play my > musioc...and we wrote a BASH script to launch the gemnotes one after the > audio one was set up. > > ** ** > > well, personally most times, when developing, I need to create > abstractions and use global variables just to experiment with stuff. And if > two instances of Pd are opened when you don't want it, it can be very > annoying. > > Even worst scenario when you are teaching, student might open 4 patches at > a time, and as 4 Pd instances are launched, and it's a mess. > > I always wondered whether we could have a flag in Pd GUI that set this > kind of configuration. Like, "always open a new Pd instance", "always use > one Pd only"... something like that. imho it would be useful. > > cheers, > M > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] prevent opening of patches
> > That's useful, but up until recently you had to create a second instance > of Pd from the command line anyway, since OSX would show you the instance > you already had if you tried to open it from the operating system. > > Or...have I missed the point? My friend and collaborator always needs two > Pd's, one for Gemnotes and one for audio processing, to play my > musioc...and we wrote a BASH script to launch the gemnotes one after the > audio one was set up. > > well, personally most times, when developing, I need to create abstractions and use global variables just to experiment with stuff. And if two instances of Pd are opened when you don't want it, it can be very annoying. Even worst scenario when you are teaching, student might open 4 patches at a time, and as 4 Pd instances are launched, and it's a mess. I always wondered whether we could have a flag in Pd GUI that set this kind of configuration. Like, "always open a new Pd instance", "always use one Pd only"... something like that. imho it would be useful. cheers, M ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] prevent opening of patches
> i assume, you are working on OSX: > got to system preferences, > click on the General Settings tab > un-tick the box "restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps" > cheers, > Peter > > Yes, it's a new "feature" of Lion OSX 10.7 and 10.8. It is extremely annoying with Pd, because as soon as Pd try to reopen some already dead sockets everything crashes without warning or log. You can lock the pd folder, so to keep the configuration saving system running for other software. Here's the how-to on puredata.org by Dan Wilcox: http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/HowToTurnOffResumeWindowsForPDOnMacOSX107Lion I don't have Mac, but had to solve this issue all the time in my last workshop this past months. M ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] age old multichannel sound card question...
Am 13.09.2013 um 01:34 schrieb peiman khosravi : > > I think the RME USB and firewire interfaces don't work on linux > unfortunately. Or at least that's what I was told. > > I guess that should read: the RME interfaces which have both: USB AND FW > ports on the same device. > > While the FireWire doesn't seem to be working on those devices with ffado > yet, the devices can be set to the USB Class Complinant (CC) mode. A bug in > alsa prevented USB2 Class Compliant interfaces to work at all. That has > been fixed since. > > [snip] > > And for the record: > Fireface 400 and Fireface 800 are listed as Full Support on the ffado page: > http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list&page=3 > > That's strange. I've heard all ppl using those devices with ffado happy about it. If you look at the discussions on the ffado list there's not much, but apparently everything should work fine. http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/72 http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/73 what happens when you launch the ffado-mixer, does the software find the device and the routing mixer appears? have you compiled the latest ffado from git or svn? maybe can you post the output of ffado-diag? by the way, I use a focusrite saffirePro40 and I'm very happy with it. It's not a cheap one, but the output and input preamp quality is great. U'll need latest ffado 2.1 (lots of bug fixes) and jackd2, + a realtime kernel (low latency works for me by now, but sometimes gives me the chills, so im trying to compile my own rt kernel for mint 15, based on ubuntu 13.04) sorry if you mentioned this already, I arrived on this post a bit late.. cheers, M ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] EAVI Nite - Electro Anthro Visceral Intensity, London, 4th September
The EAVI research unit (Goldsmiths, University of London) presents a night of Electro Anthro Visceral Intensity with infrabass pulsations, electronic circuit crackles, leather bassoons, bio-interfaces and feedback drums. We're bringing together electronica, noise, and contemporary classical in a research of body and sound. 8pm doors / 9pm -12am £5/£3 Joanne Cannon - Melbourne-based instrumentalist from the Bent Leather Band http://www.bentleather.com/ Ryan Jordan - kingpin of the East London noise scene and noise=noise organiser http://ryanjordan.org/ DMT - UK premier of the new trio with Marco Donnarumma (Xth Sense biosensors), Christos Michalakos (feedback drums) and Atau Tanaka (mobile phones) http://marcodonnarumma.com/ , http://christosmichalakos.com/ , http://www.ataut.net/ Matthew Yee King - Rephlex artist formerly with Bavin, toured with Cristian Vogel and Jamie Lidell playing solo. http://www.yeeking.net/ Tom Richards - Electronic circuits, sonic sculptures, pulsing beats, indelible grooves http://www.tomrichards.info/ Shelley Parker - Haywire DJ, Structure organiser, and Entr'acte artist playing ultra lows and palpable frequencies http://www.shelleyparker.co.uk/ Mick Grierson - Brain-computer interface blow out http://www.mickgrierson.co.uk/ DJ to close by Man With Feathers https://soundcloud.com/adamparkinson VENUE WEBPAGE: http://www.theamershamarms.com/category/whats_on/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/435557319895789/ Hope to see some of you there,... gonna be loud! :) cheers, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Incarnated sound sculpture live at New York Electronic Arts Festival
(apologies for x-post) Jun 30 - 7:30pm Michael Schimmel Center for the Arts, 3 Spruce Street, New York Free entrance "Ominous" an incarnated sound sculpture performance Live acoustic sounds from the performer's body are digitally sculpted through a choreography of physical gesture. The result is an unstable sonic object which oscillates between high density and violent release. The listeners see through sound the sculpture which their sight cannot perceive. http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/ominous/ This piece for the Xth Sense biophysical instrument was commissioned by the international Competition for Live Electronics, organized by the European Conference of Promoters of New Music. Other performing artists: Pauline Oliveros, Laurie Anderson, Joshua Light Show, Maja S.K. Ratkje, Juraj Kojs, Mari Kimura with Tomoyuki Kato. Press release "Part of a shared evening co-presented with Pace University and Harvestworks as part of the New York Electronic Art Festival. Marco Donnarumma’s *Ominous* is part of an evening of concerts and performances, providing audiences with an opportunity to experience cutting-edge electronic artwork from artists working across the arts and technology spectrum. The New York Electronic Art Festival brings talent into Lower Manhattan from around the globe to showcase new technologies and new artistic practices, and to celebrate the transformational intersection of the two." http://www.rivertorivernyc.com/artists/marco-donnarumma/ hope to see some of you there, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] STEIM Summer Party 2013
Great, let's hook up there! M From: dreamer > > JUNE 18 > > > > STEIM SUMMER PARTY 2013 > > > > It?s time again for STEIM?s annual summer party! > > > Cool, I think that I can make it. (missed the Plant Orchestra last week) > > cheers, > drmr > > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] STEIM Summer Party 2013
JUNE 18 STEIM SUMMER PARTY 2013 It’s time again for STEIM’s annual summer party! The packed program of artists this year include young bioacoustic performer Marco Donnarumma, seminal Lebanese free improviser Mazen Kerbaj, and from California we have Laetitia Sonami and James Fei presenting a new collaboration for unstable instruments and modular synths. The evening will also have special intimate performances by Daniel Schorno and Sybren Danz in STEIM’s analog sound bunker. And to finish off the night some DJ sets by DJ’s Foom and Snoid. Mark your calendar, it’s sure to be a blast! Details Date: Tuesday 18 June, 2013 Time: 20:30 (Door open 20:00) Cost: €5 Location: STEIM Concert Space, Utrechtsedwasstraat 134, Amsterdam ** * * -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] issiconvert
nice one, thanks for sharing! M -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Funs Seelen wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a short announce of the release of `issiconvert', a pd library which > does some simple conversions between integers and symbols: > > [int2shex] convert (int) float to symbol of a hexadecimal value with > `0x' prefix > [int2sdec] convert (int) float to symbol of a decimal value with `0i' > prefix > [int2soct] convert (int) float to symbol of an octal value with `0o' > prefix > [int2sbin] convert (int) float to symbol of a binary value with `0b' > prefix > [sany2int] convert a symbol of any of the four types (with prefix) to > (float) int > [symbol2clist] output a list of floats for the corresponding character > values of a symbol > [strlen] calculate number of characters in a symbol > [symbol2symbol] output the input if symbol > > > $ git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/pd-issiconvert/code issiconvert > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/pd-issiconvert/files/latest/download?source=navbar > > Comments are welcome at the project page, my personal mail address or > pd-list. > > Regards, > --Funs > > > ___ > Pd-announce mailing list > pd-annou...@iem.at > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pmpd // call for English translation help
Hey, I'm at the airport coming back from LAC con so can't check the attachment but from what I remember its not too much to correct. Ill be happy to do it! Sent from a phone, please forgive brevity and typos. On 11 May 2013 16:59, "Cyrille Henry" wrote: > hello Marco, > > do you think you can correct the old pmpd help file? > (see attachment) > if there are to much, just do the most important one. > > thanks again > Cheers > c > > > Le 10/05/2013 12:07, Marco Donnarumma a écrit : > >> Hey, >> >> I'm also up for helping. >> Don't know French, but ready to translate "Cyrille French" and help with >> help files and examples. :) >> >> Been spending some good amount of time on the previous pmpd release. >> >> M >> >> >> >> >> 2. Re: pmpd // call for English translation help (Julian Brooks) >> >> Hi Cyrille, >> >> I'd be up for this but it will have to be from mid-June for me. >> >> If that's any use then absolument. I have to say my French is pretty >> dodgy >> though my Cyrille English is pretty good after having spent so much >> time >> poring over the pmpd help files:) >> >> Julian >> >> ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pmpd // call for English translation help
Hey, I'm also up for helping. Don't know French, but ready to translate "Cyrille French" and help with help files and examples. :) Been spending some good amount of time on the previous pmpd release. M 2. Re: pmpd // call for English translation help (Julian Brooks) > > Hi Cyrille, > > I'd be up for this but it will have to be from mid-June for me. > > If that's any use then absolument. I have to say my French is pretty dodgy > though my Cyrille English is pretty good after having spent so much time > poring over the pmpd help files:) > > Julian > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Xth sense on archlinux
Hi Fero,
(I replied also on the linux audio list, but I copy the reply below)
the errors you reported happens only with the new pd-extended 43.4; that
is, with pdx 42.5 everything works fine.
In the latest pdx release, the object [line3] and the library in which it
was included have been removed. These were not maintained by me. So I
compiled binaries for Linux ubuntu and mac and included them in the
xth-sense-lib.
You can find line3 source here:
http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-extended/0.42/externals/nusmuk/line3/
simply compile it and add it to the xth-sense-lib.
As for the second error, that is a general Pdx bug, apparently related to
GOP (graph on parent) objects. I managed to isolate it and submit a report,
but it has to be solved yet.
When did you downloaded the Xth Sense software? Very recently I updated the
XS software to a new version which seemed to have worked well against this
bug:
http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/#download
it would be great if you could test it out, if you have an older version.
on a side note, I'm in the process of updating the documentation and the
software to version 2.0, but I've been slowed down by the above issues
appeared with pdx 43.4. So, hopefully soon this issues should be addressed
adequately and documented.
hope this helps!
best,
M
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Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
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Hallo list,
>
> Was anybody successful to run Xth sense software (based on pd) on archlinux
> ?
>
> pdx 0.43.4
>
> Where I see problems is th 64 bit incompatibility with the xth sense libs,
> which are precompiled:
>
> pd-externals/xth-sense-lib/line3.pd_linux:
> /home/paum/pd-externals/xth-sense-lib/line3.pd_linux: wrong ELF class:
> ELFCLASS32
>
> and TCL errors like this:
>
> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x7f4e941406b0.c"
> while executing
> ".x7f4e941406b0.c create image 901 776 -image 7f4e94924050PHOTOIMAGE -tags
> 7f4e94924050PHOTO"
> ("uplevel" body line 929)
> invoked from within
> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
>
> thanks for reply
>
> --
> Fero Kiraly
> www.ferokiraly.com
> www.cluster-ensemble.com
>
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[PD] [PD-announce] [RADICAL] use of biotechnology to integrate networked bodies and interactive dance
Dear Pd'rs, the Xth Sense (made in Pd/Linux) is at the core of this large-scale biophysical interactive dance project we premiere today in New York. Some pics of the backstage at the bottom website link. Feel free to distribute through your networks! best wishes, \ Rensselaer Arts PHD Candidate, Heidi Boisvert, premieres performance at EMPAC that cultivates an expressive virtual world populated by corporeal sounds and generative imagery from dancers' bodies. TROY, NY - April 8th, 2013 - The Arts Department at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute announces the premiere of a mechanomyogram (MMG) multi-media production, "[radical] signs of life," on May 3rd at 4:00 pm and May 4th at 7:30 pm in Studio 2 at the Experimental Media and Performing Arts Center (EMPAC). Through responsive dance, "[radical] signs of life" externalizes the mind’s non-hierarchical distribution of thought. Music is generated from the dancers‘ muscles and blood flow via biophysical sensors that capture sound waves from the performers’ bodies. This data triggers complex neural patterns to be projected onto multiple screens as 3D imagery. As the audience interacts with the images produced, they enter into a dialogue with the dancers. The performance makes use of biophysical technology to integrate networked bodies and interactive dance. It was conceived and directed by new media artist and game designer Heidi Boisvert in collaboration with an international team of artists, including Pauline Jennings (Choreographer), Doug Van Nort (Sound Designer), Allen Hahn (Set & Lighting Designer), Raven Kwok (Visual Designer), Amy Nielson (Costume Designer) and Marco Donnarumma (Sensor Designer & Developer). The project features the Xth Sense (XS), a biophysical sensor that detects and captures mechanical sound waves produced at the onset of musculature contraction. For "[radical] signs of life," a wireless network and stand alone armband was custom developed for the XS by engineer MJ Caselden, and industrial designer, Krystal Pernaud. The choreography for the hour-long performance will be composed in real-time by five dancers from a shared movement database in accordance with pre-determined rules. Outfitted with two wireless sensors each, the dancers--Jennifer Mellor, Ellen Smith Ahern, Hanna Satterlee, Avi Waring and Willow Wonder--will create patterns that dissolve from autonomous polyrhythms to intersecting lines as they slip through generative video and light. "[radical] signs of life" was produced, in part, at Harvestworks with funds from the Rockefeller Foundation’s New York City Cultural Innovation Fund and the National Endowment for the Arts. The work was made possible through generous support from the Rensselaer Arts Department along with iEAR Studios, and EMPAC staff. Rehearsal space was granted by an Artistic Residency at the Contemporary Dance and Fitness Center in Montpelier, Vermont. Limited Seating. Reservations recommended. To make reservations, please contact the EMPAC Box Office at 518.276.3921. Media Contact: Heidi Boisvert, heidijboisv...@gmail.com, +.1.917.536.2792 Full press package available upon request. Or visit our project site: www.radicalsignsoflife.tumblr.com. -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ubutu 13.04
Thanks for the update guys, and sorry about the mess you're going through. I try to avoid upgrading to distro taht are not LTS. Also, be careful, as the 13.04 will be supported only for 4 months. it's a transitional distro. M From: Cyrille Henry > Subject: [PD] ubutu 13.04 > To: pd-liste List > Message-ID: <517f93be.50...@chnry.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > hello, > > for ubuntu user : don't update to 13.04! > > on my computer and also on jack computer, pd can crash X server. > when creating an object, the 4th letter typed on a object box make the > screen goes black and the login screen to appear after few seconds... > > cheers > c > > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] mean power frequency of a non-audio signal
Hey folks, how would you go about computing the mean power frequency of a non-audio signal? I'm aware of the different libraries available for audio signal feature extraction, but can't find much info about non-audio signals. thanks! -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Altered self-perception and incarnated performance in New York, Seoul, Amsterdam, Graz
(sorry for any x-post) Dear friends and colleagues, After 6 months of winter, we can now warm up our minds with a deserved spring. Here we are with the fifth mailout April 2013. http://marcodonnarumma.com/next/april2013/ learn about... - Nigredo: a new private work for altered self-perception created at STEIM - New award: Creativity + Technology = Enterprise funded by Rockefeller Foundation - [radical] signs of life: a large-scale, biophysical, interactive dance premiere at EMPAC - Ominous, and other incarnated sounds in Graz, Seoul, Amsterdam, New York - The Xth Sense featured on the BBC - Biomuse (1990) meets Xth Sense (2010), wrapping 30 years of biotechnology in music thanks for reading, sincerely yours, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Tcl invalid command with [TuioClient] and Pd-extended 0.43.4
I can confirm, the GUI doesn't show up at all on my machine too.
Linux Lucid 10.04 pd-ext 0.43.4
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Subject: [PD] Tcl invalid command with [TuioClient] and Pd-extended
> 0.43.4
> To: PD List
> Message-ID: <516c5543.2070...@rybn.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello,
>
> I am working on a patch in which i use [TuioClient] with Pd-extended 0.43.4
> When i open this patch, i get in the Pd console :
>
> Invalid command name 'listening'
> while executing
> "listening to TUIO messages on UDP port "
> ("uplevel" body line 1)
> invoked from within
> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
>
> Then, very often, there is no GUI and i can't use the patch.
> How I can make this patch work (attached) all the time for an
> installation (with TuioClient.pd_darwin from tuio.org) ?
>
> My configuration :
> MacMini with MacOSX.7.5
> Pd-extended 0.43.4
>
> Thanx.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
>
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Re: [PD] troubles killing a pd instance with shell object
hey, I've tried Ivica suggestion, but it didn't work. Jonathan strategy works good. What I do now, is to send a message [echo "env DISPLAY=:0 my-script.sh" | at now( This runs the whole script, and not only the pd patch, under the at daemon (as Jonhatan said previously), and this way I can kill the parent Pd instance. Works like a charm. Thanks for your prompt responses! -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > This is just a wild guess what two things coming to mind based on your > description. First, you have to make sure that your shell script ends with > "exit 0" command. Second, you can always try to simply kill the pd-gui > process together with PD. The trick in this case will be finding out the > right process ID because you don't want to kill both PD instances--this can > be done again with a shell script before the second instance has been > started. > > HTH > On Apr 13, 2013 11:40 AM, "Marco Donnarumma" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm having some troubles with two pd instances and [shell]. >> >> I launch a patch with the first Pd instance from the terminal. Here, i >> use [shell] to create a new patch and open it with a second Pd instance. >> >> when the new patch is loaded, it sends a [quit( message to [noquit] to >> the first pd-instance patch, via OSC, in order to kill it. >> >> everything works fine until the first instance receive the OSC message. >> At this point, the pd process is killed but the GUI freezes on the screen, >> and the terminal freezes too. >> >> If I launch the first Pd instance from the terminal with '&', and then >> run the script through >> the same terminal, it works fine. >> >> this below is the script. nothing fancy. >> >> any idea why the process doesn't work? >> >> thanksss! >> >> >> \\ >> #!/bin/bash >> >> NEWPATCH=$1 >> cp /usr/share/Xth-Sense/Xth-Sense.pd $HOME/Desktop/$NEWPATCH.pd; >> sleep 2; >> pdextended -alsa $HOME/Desktop/$NEWPATCH.pd; >> exit >> \\ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >> ~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] troubles killing a pd instance with shell object
Hi all, I'm having some troubles with two pd instances and [shell]. I launch a patch with the first Pd instance from the terminal. Here, i use [shell] to create a new patch and open it with a second Pd instance. when the new patch is loaded, it sends a [quit( message to [noquit] to the first pd-instance patch, via OSC, in order to kill it. everything works fine until the first instance receive the OSC message. At this point, the pd process is killed but the GUI freezes on the screen, and the terminal freezes too. If I launch the first Pd instance from the terminal with '&', and then run the script through the same terminal, it works fine. this below is the script. nothing fancy. any idea why the process doesn't work? thanksss! \\ #!/bin/bash NEWPATCH=$1 cp /usr/share/Xth-Sense/Xth-Sense.pd $HOME/Desktop/$NEWPATCH.pd; sleep 2; pdextended -alsa $HOME/Desktop/$NEWPATCH.pd; exit \\\\\\ -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Biophysical music Poland Tour - Bios@Techne@Art
Dears, it's with great pleasure that I forward you the dates of this upcoming Poland tour. You'll find dates and location below. Curated by Maciej Ozog, Bios@Techne@Art is a program of performative events spanning 4 major cities in Poland. The aim is to foster discussion around the role of biotechnologies in performance art, and explore how such framework can inform the cultural perception of the body. According to each venue, I'll be performing three diverse pieces of biophysical music for the open and free instrument Xth Sense (Pd/Linux based): - Music for Flesh II, solo piece for enhanced body - Ominous, incarnated sound sculpture - Hypo Chrysos, action art for vexed body Works info: http://marcodonnarumma.com Xth Sense and biophysical music: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/ Each concert will also see on stage: - Maciej Ozog's Transient Body / Liminal Space, - Gerard Lebik's Tractography Neural Tracts Noise \\ WHEN & WHERE: - 27.03.2013, 7 pm, Gdansk Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art, Jaskółcza 1, 80-767 Gdansk, Poland - 28.03.2013, 8 pm, Warsaw Centre for Contemporary Art Ujazdowski Castle, ul. Jazdów 2, 00-467 Warsaw, Poland - 29.03.2013, 8 pm, Wroclaw Falanster, ul. Św. Antoniego 23, 50-073 Wroclaw - 02.04.2013, 7 pm, Lodz (Panel discussion) Art Factory, ul. Tymienieckiego 3, 90-365 Lodz, Poland - 03.04.2013, 8 pm, Lodz Art Factory, ul. Tymienieckiego 3, 90-365 Lodz, Poland For complete details to attend the events see: http://biointerfaces.333flow.com hope to see some of you there! best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Nigredo, physically induced perceptual deprivation and the distinction of self
hey! eheh, yes, definitely :) glad to "meet" you here.. thanks for the feedback! M > Ha! I was wondering if it was Pd-powered! :D > > Was a very interesting experience. Hope you liked my comments in the > interview after ;) > > cheers and hope to see more, > drmr > > > > > > > Video documentation and details at > > http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/nigredo/ > > > > "Nigredo is a private 8 minutes artwork to be experienced by one visitor > > at a time. Drawing from studies in analytical psychology, human sensory > > systems, and biotechnologies, the piece offers an intimate and uncanny > > experience of one?s internal self. Namely, the work investigates how > > perceptual deprivation can affect alterity, or otherness, that is the > aware > > distinction between self and not-self. > > > > The work uses ad hoc biophysical methods and wearable bioacoustic > > technology to stimulate a continuous sensorial feedback within the > > visitor?s own body. In a small, blacked out room a visitor sits alone > > facing a mirror, and wired to on-body sensors. The low frequency sound > > pulses of heart, muscular and vein tissues produced by the visitor?s body > > are captured, augmented, and fed back to the subject?s sensory system as > > new auditive, visual, and physical stimuli. Intense surround sound, > > pulsating lights, and mechanical vibrations are diffused through the > > subject's ears, eyes, bones, and skull... The combined skeletal > resonance, > > sound stimuli, and light pulse produce a constant and intense stimulation > > field that alters the movement of the internal organs, and the behaviour > of > > the optical nerves..." > > > > > > feedback are most welcome! > > > > best wishes, > > > > -- > > Marco Donnarumma > > New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. > > Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. > > Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London > > ~ > > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com > > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > > > > ___ > > Pd-announce mailing list > > pd-annou...@iem.at > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > > > > ___ > > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20130315/b4d0d353/attachment-0001.htm > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:35:05 + > From: thor > Subject: [PD] Funded PhD studentship at University of Brighton > To: pd-list@iem.at > Message-ID: <2e5772c7-f791-4552-a3b9-7781b2d00...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > This might be of interest to some members of this list: > > The doctoral college at the University of Brighton is offering PhD > studentships for eight set projects starting next academic year. Full > details can be found at: > > > http://www.brighton.ac.uk/researchstudy/2013studentships/arts-and-humanities/project-1-6/ > > Feel free to contact me off list on my Brighton addresse if you have any > questions. > > Best > Thor Magnusson > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:46:14 + > From: Julian Brooks > Subject: Re: [PD] More Sensor Questions inc libfreenect on the Rpi > To: Matthias Kronlachner > Cc: PD List > Message-ID: > 4q7x7zifrtjbr1c-zgndldjiw...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey Max & Matthias, > > Thanks for your suggestions. > > Guess I need to keep thinking/digging. I had spotted the Asus but have to > presume it will be the same with sunlight as the kinect. Hmmm. The kinect > is appealing as my friend already has one but from my reading around it's a > way of working properly on the RPi, getting closer yes but still not there. > > I have a memory that somewhere in the archives Hans mentions webcams and > light filters to make them u.v., might be an option, and importantly, easy > to do. Will keep updating. > > Best wishes, > > Julian > > On 15 March 2013 06:55, Matthias Kronlachner >wrote: > > > hi! >
[PD] [PD-announce] Nigredo, physically induced perceptual deprivation and the distinction of self
(sorry for x-post) Dear all! I'm happy to share with you Nigredo, a new work just created during a residency at STEIM, which might be of interest. made with Pd, Xth Sense, and Arduino, on a Linux system. Video documentation and details at http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/nigredo/ "Nigredo is a private 8 minutes artwork to be experienced by one visitor at a time. Drawing from studies in analytical psychology, human sensory systems, and biotechnologies, the piece offers an intimate and uncanny experience of one’s internal self. Namely, the work investigates how perceptual deprivation can affect alterity, or otherness, that is the aware distinction between self and not-self. The work uses ad hoc biophysical methods and wearable bioacoustic technology to stimulate a continuous sensorial feedback within the visitor’s own body. In a small, blacked out room a visitor sits alone facing a mirror, and wired to on-body sensors. The low frequency sound pulses of heart, muscular and vein tissues produced by the visitor’s body are captured, augmented, and fed back to the subject’s sensory system as new auditive, visual, and physical stimuli. Intense surround sound, pulsating lights, and mechanical vibrations are diffused through the subject's ears, eyes, bones, and skull... The combined skeletal resonance, sound stimuli, and light pulse produce a constant and intense stimulation field that alters the movement of the internal organs, and the behaviour of the optical nerves..." feedback are most welcome! best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] found how to reproduce Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
Thanks to check this out Ico, hope my example patch and Pd-l2ork code together can be helpful in solving the issue. will also keep looking into it, M > Just to further confirm, pd-l2ork is not affected with Benjamin?s example > either. Hopefully this will help Hans and others hunt this thing down. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Ico > > > > From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of > Hans-Christoph Steiner > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:35 PM > To: ben...@free.fr > Cc: Pd List > Subject: Re: [PD] found how to reproduce Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command > Name error > > > > > > That bug is not related, though I might look similar. Any time you see > things like .x2415b0 those are the unique IDs that Pd uses for each Window > in the GUI. ".x2415b0: no such object" basically means that Pd is trying > to > send a command to a window in the GUI, but that window does not currently > exist (like it was closed) and Pd didn't get the message about that window > closing. > > > > This patch is a nice clear example, so it should be possible to track the > bug down. Marco, if you haven't already, can you add that patch tarball to > a bug report in the tracker? A reference to this thread would also be > helpful. > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] found how to reproduce Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
hey,
> That bug is not related, though I might look similar. Any time you see
> things like .x2415b0 those are the unique IDs that Pd uses for each Window
> in the GUI. ".x2415b0: no such object" basically means that Pd is trying
> to send a command to a window in the GUI, but that window does not
> currently exist (like it was closed) and Pd didn't get the message about
> that window closing.
>
Ok, thanks for explaining, so now I can read it properly.
Can we say it is a bug, or my code is forcing Pd into something it doesn't
know how to handle?
>
> This patch is a nice clear example, so it should be possible to track the
> bug down. Marco, if you haven't already, can you add that patch tarball to
> a bug report in the tracker? A reference to this thread would also be
> helpful.
>
Yes, sure. Will do it now.
But I'll open a new bug report, since this bug is different than the very
first one I posted.
Still connected to a closed window which Pd can't communicate with though.
thanks!
M
>
> .hc
>
> On Mar 7, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Benjamin ~ 01xy wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I encountered a maybe similar bug clicking on the 0 button of the Hradio
> in pix_video help patch :
> >
> > (Tcl) NOM DE COMMANDE INVALIDE : invalid command name ".x8b1b038.c"
> > while executing
> > ".x8b1b038.c delete 8b26df8BASE0"
> > ("uplevel" body line 14)
> > invoked from within
> > "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
> >
> > In Pd-extended 0.43-4 on debian 32 bit with GEM: ver: 0.93.3 compiled:
> Jan 28 2013
> >
> > this bug disapear if I cut the wire of the left outlet of [pix_video]
> which goes to [s $0-info]
> >
> > Bugs related ? :
> >
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3522945&group_id=55736&atid=478070
> >
> > ++Benjamin
> >
> > Le 07/03/2013 12:33, Marco Donnarumma a ?crit :
> >> hey thanks all for testing.
> >>
> >> At least we know it's consistent.
> >> Let's see if somebody has ideas about it.
> >>
> >> Let me know how can I help!
> >> Really wish to solve this.
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >>
> >> --
>
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Re: [PD] hcs/screensize doesn't work w/ -nogui
> > >any particular reason why it doesn't? > > It relies on tcl/tk to measure the screen size. When you don't load the > gui, you don't load tcl/tk, and thus you are stripped of the tool you need > to get the screen size. > ok, thanks, now it's clear! > > > >you can try to run the help patch, add a [stdout], relaunch the help > patch with -nogui. > > > >I'm making a simple splashscreen with a gem -nogui patch, and it needs to > render the image in the center of the screen. > >I know I could use [shell], but I'd rather a cross-platform solution. > > > >can I fix the screensize object or is there another object I'm not aware > of? > > Does the tclpd library execute with the -nogui flag? If so it should be > pretty > simple to use that to return the screensize. > > ok. I'm not sure how to check whether tclpd executes w/ -nogui. How can I check? I'm following your suggestion and make a small tclpd object. cheers, M > -Jonathan > > > > > >thanks! > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Marco Donnarumma > >New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. > >Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. > >Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London > >~ > >Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > >Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com > >Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > >___ > >Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > >UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] hcs/screensize doesn't work w/ -nogui
any particular reason why it doesn't? you can try to run the help patch, add a [stdout], relaunch the help patch with -nogui. I'm making a simple splashscreen with a gem -nogui patch, and it needs to render the image in the center of the screen. I know I could use [shell], but I'd rather a cross-platform solution. can I fix the screensize object or is there another object I'm not aware of? thanks! -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] found how to reproduce Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
Thanks for this.
UPDATE: even though I found how to reproduce the bug, it still affects the
Xth Sense software.
It's pretty wild. The patch I sent to the list is fixed.
But the Xth Sense patch is still affected by it (even after fixing it the
same way as the bug report patch).
Launching the patch in the same way, sometimes the bug happens, some other
not.
I can't figure out what else it could be. And there is no log in the
terminal.
What else can I do to help solving this?
How to read that Tcl error log to understand where it comes from?
I checked the bug tracker and there are at least other two bugs that report
a similar log.
However, I don't know enough about the guts to establish whether they might
be related.
They all do seem to be reported by Tcl, so there could possibly be
something in common.
thanks!
cheers,
M
Hello,
>
> I encountered a maybe similar bug clicking on the 0 button of the Hradio
> in pix_video help patch :
>
> (Tcl) NOM DE COMMANDE INVALIDE : invalid command name ".x8b1b038.c"
> while executing
> ".x8b1b038.c delete 8b26df8BASE0"
> ("uplevel" body line 14)
> invoked from within
> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
>
> In Pd-extended 0.43-4 on debian 32 bit with GEM: ver: 0.93.3 compiled:
> Jan 28 2013
>
> this bug disapear if I cut the wire of the left outlet of [pix_video]
> which goes to [s $0-info]
>
> Bugs related ? :
>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3522945&group_id=55736&atid=478070
>
> ++Benjamin
>
> Le 07/03/2013 12:33, Marco Donnarumma a ?crit :
> > hey thanks all for testing.
> >
> > At least we know it's consistent.
> > Let's see if somebody has ideas about it.
> >
> > Let me know how can I help!
> > Really wish to solve this.
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Marco Donnarumma
> > New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> > Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> > Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> > ~
> > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:15 AM, batinste > <mailto:dwanaf...@yahoo.fr>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Behaviour confirmed on ubuntu 12.10 64 bits and pd-ext 0.43.4.
> >
> >
> > On 07/03/2013 02:02, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> >> hey,
> >>
> >> dunno if you remember, but I still have this error (below) and
> >> now I managed to make a small patch that reproduces it (attached).
> >> It seems related to the flag for a 2nd level nested GOP
> patch.
> >>
> >> it'd be great if somebody could test it on linux and mac.
> >> I'm on Ubuntu Lucid 10.04, pd-ext 0.43.4
> >>
> >> how to reproduce:
> >>
> >> - launch MAIN-graph-bug.pd
> >> - click the bang to open a subpatch (if it doesn't at startup)
> >> - close the subpatch
> >> - close MAIN-graph-bug.pd
> >>
> >> at this point Pd throws the error as below. Only the GUI freezes,
> >> the patch is unusable and have to kill it, by closing pd.
> >>
> >>
> >> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x996ebd0.c"
> >> while executing
> >> ".x996ebd0.c delete graph996f4b0i0"
> >> ("uplevel" body line 1)
> >> invoked from within
> >> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> How to avoid it:
> >>
> >> - launch MAIN-graph-bug.pd
> >> - click the bang to open a subpatch (if it doesn't at startup)
> >> - open the subpatch
> >> - open the further subpatch
> >> - flag hide object name and argument
> >> - save
> >> -close pd
> >> - restart the patch and the error disappear
> >>
> >>
> >> It is worth noting that the error I get with the Xth Sense
> >> software looks similar but has different tags (see below). And I
> >> can't reproduce this one error using a subpatch including a graph
> >> or iem_image (which I use in the Xth Sense)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x9c4d3b0.c"
Re: [PD] found how to reproduce Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
hey thanks all for testing.
At least we know it's consistent.
Let's see if somebody has ideas about it.
Let me know how can I help!
Really wish to solve this.
thanks!
--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:15 AM, batinste wrote:
> Hi
>
> Behaviour confirmed on ubuntu 12.10 64 bits and pd-ext 0.43.4.
>
>
> On 07/03/2013 02:02, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
> hey,
>
> dunno if you remember, but I still have this error (below) and now I
> managed to make a small patch that reproduces it (attached).
> It seems related to the flag for a 2nd level nested GOP patch.
>
> it'd be great if somebody could test it on linux and mac.
> I'm on Ubuntu Lucid 10.04, pd-ext 0.43.4
>
> how to reproduce:
>
> - launch MAIN-graph-bug.pd
> - click the bang to open a subpatch (if it doesn't at startup)
> - close the subpatch
> - close MAIN-graph-bug.pd
>
> at this point Pd throws the error as below. Only the GUI freezes, the
> patch is unusable and have to kill it, by closing pd.
>
>
> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x996ebd0.c"
> while executing
> ".x996ebd0.c delete graph996f4b0i0"
> ("uplevel" body line 1)
> invoked from within
> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
>
>
>
> How to avoid it:
>
> - launch MAIN-graph-bug.pd
> - click the bang to open a subpatch (if it doesn't at startup)
> - open the subpatch
> - open the further subpatch
> - flag hide object name and argument
> - save
> -close pd
> - restart the patch and the error disappear
>
>
> It is worth noting that the error I get with the Xth Sense software looks
> similar but has different tags (see below). And I can't reproduce this one
> error using a subpatch including a graph or iem_image (which I use in the
> Xth Sense)
>
>
>
> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x9c4d3b0.c"
> while executing
> ".x9c4d3b0.c create image 900 776 -image a4304c0PHOTOIMAGE -tags
> a4304c0PHOTO
> ("uplevel" body line 283)
> invoked from within
> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
> \
>
>
> should i submit a different bug report or add to the one I did already?
>
> thanks in advance for any hint,
> this is forcing me to still use pd-ext 0.42.5 during my workshop, which is
> a shame :)
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
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Re: [PD] found how to reproduce Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
Thanks Ivica, I'm gonna try with pd-l2ork and report. I can also take a look at those files, although my knowledge is pretty limited as it comes to .c M > FWIW, I've done a lot of work at cleaning up gop-related bugs in > pd-l2ork. This is one of them (in other words, pd-l2ork is not affected > by this). It may not be a bad idea to do some code comparison between > g_editor.c g_canvas.c and g_graph.c files where most of these reside in > hope of merging this into regular pd/extended. > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] found how to reproduce Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
thanks guys,
@andras, thanks for testing.
Anyone can test this on a Mac?
The bug report you indicate mentions a very similar error log, but it's not
the one I did.
My bug report is this one:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3601127&group_id=55736&atid=478070
@Patrick, yes, thanks for reminding about it.
I did that but Pd does not report the first error (which is only printed to
the pd console), and only prints the subsequent error (below) when you try
to close the main parent patch, or do anything with it.
error: .x88906e0: no such object
error: .x88906e0: no such object
error: .x88906e0: no such object
thanks,
cheers,
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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Pagano, Patrick
wrote:
> start pd with the flag -stderr
> i had the same plague with my GEM patches for a week until Iohannes ahd
> Hans noted a solution
>
> pp
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> Marco Donnarumma [de...@thesaddj.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:02 PM
> *To:* pd-list@iem.at
> *Subject:* [PD] found how to reproduce Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command
> Name error
>
> hey,
>
> dunno if you remember, but I still have this error (below) and now I
> managed to make a small patch that reproduces it (attached).
> It seems related to the flag for a 2nd level nested GOP patch.
>
> it'd be great if somebody could test it on linux and mac.
> I'm on Ubuntu Lucid 10.04, pd-ext 0.43.4
>
> how to reproduce:
>
> - launch MAIN-graph-bug.pd
> - click the bang to open a subpatch (if it doesn't at startup)
> - close the subpatch
> - close MAIN-graph-bug.pd
>
> at this point Pd throws the error as below. Only the GUI freezes, the
> patch is unusable and have to kill it, by closing pd.
>
>
> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x996ebd0.c"
> while executing
> ".x996ebd0.c delete graph996f4b0i0"
> ("uplevel" body line 1)
> invoked from within
> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
>
>
>
> How to avoid it:
>
> - launch MAIN-graph-bug.pd
> - click the bang to open a subpatch (if it doesn't at startup)
> - open the subpatch
> - open the further subpatch
> - flag hide object name and argument
> - save
> -close pd
> - restart the patch and the error disappear
>
>
> It is worth noting that the error I get with the Xth Sense software looks
> similar but has different tags (see below). And I can't reproduce this one
> error using a subpatch including a graph or iem_image (which I use in the
> Xth Sense)
>
>
>
> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x9c4d3b0.c"
> while executing
> ".x9c4d3b0.c create image 900 776 -image a4304c0PHOTOIMAGE -tags
> a4304c0PHOTO
> ("uplevel" body line 283)
> invoked from within
> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
> \
>
>
> should i submit a different bug report or add to the one I did already?
>
> thanks in advance for any hint,
> this is forcing me to still use pd-ext 0.42.5 during my workshop, which is
> a shame :)
>
>
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> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~
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[PD] found how to reproduce Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
hey,
dunno if you remember, but I still have this error (below) and now I
managed to make a small patch that reproduces it (attached).
It seems related to the flag for a 2nd level nested GOP patch.
it'd be great if somebody could test it on linux and mac.
I'm on Ubuntu Lucid 10.04, pd-ext 0.43.4
how to reproduce:
- launch MAIN-graph-bug.pd
- click the bang to open a subpatch (if it doesn't at startup)
- close the subpatch
- close MAIN-graph-bug.pd
at this point Pd throws the error as below. Only the GUI freezes, the patch
is unusable and have to kill it, by closing pd.
(Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x996ebd0.c"
while executing
".x996ebd0.c delete graph996f4b0i0"
("uplevel" body line 1)
invoked from within
"uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
How to avoid it:
- launch MAIN-graph-bug.pd
- click the bang to open a subpatch (if it doesn't at startup)
- open the subpatch
- open the further subpatch
- flag hide object name and argument
- save
-close pd
- restart the patch and the error disappear
It is worth noting that the error I get with the Xth Sense software looks
similar but has different tags (see below). And I can't reproduce this one
error using a subpatch including a graph or iem_image (which I use in the
Xth Sense)
(Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x9c4d3b0.c"
while executing
".x9c4d3b0.c create image 900 776 -image a4304c0PHOTOIMAGE -tags
a4304c0PHOTO
("uplevel" body line 283)
invoked from within
"uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
\
should i submit a different bug report or add to the one I did already?
thanks in advance for any hint,
this is forcing me to still use pd-ext 0.42.5 during my workshop, which is
a shame :)
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Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~
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Re: [PD] check this out
Yes, it's emg+accelerometer detecting fingers position as hand gesture. Although, it's difficult to call it a "gesture" recognition. Besides, possible gestures seems to be limited to the recognition pattern they provide. Which overlook the real capability of gesture following, which is the possibility of defining gesture to recognise on the go. As Pedro pointed there has been a good amount of research in this area, specially in HCI, for the past 5/6 years. This is the natural outcome of those studies. They're trying to bring to the general public and out of the labs a gestural biosensing device, and this is great. Still, in my experience, emg sensing has very different calibration time, which depend on some bodily aspects unique to each person, and the environment where the user is. That is, for some, an emg sensor may calibrate in one minute, for others in 20mins. They claim to have better (and yes, patented) electrodes. Unfortunately, we'll see the device next year (claimed ship "late 2013"). As often these days, media run the (fast and soon forgotten) hype of a good 3d mockup and a well-edited video of applications. Let's see what happens later on when we can try the real thing! It's exciting to see a follow up in the industry to this specific artistic and research area of interest. and I'm sure there will be more of those coming out. from us too :P -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:50 AM, wrote: > Send Pd-list mailing list submissions to > pd-list@iem.at > > > EMG in action, detecting fingers through ML: > - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6_7BzUED39A#! > (Scott Saponas, UIST 09) > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > > > EMG is potentially capable of this and with adequate filtering techniques > > there are papers out there that allow for fairly accurate detection of > > finger motions. More so, the video shows use of very distinct hand > > positions. In other words, it is not the gesture but hand shape that can > be > > read accurately and interpreted. I suspect it also has a > gyro/accelerometer > > that works in tandem with multiple EMG sensing points? > > > > ** ** > > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] 21 Feb - Nigredo, new private work for altered self-perception and biomedia - STEIM Preview
(sorry for x-post) Dears, if you find yourself in Amsterdam this week... "Come join us before the opening ceremonies of Sonic Acts festival for the initial preview of new media and sound artist Marco Donnarumma’s latest work, Nigredo. Nigredo (Marco Donnarumma, 2013), developed during a residency at STEIM, is designed as a private 8 minute artwork to be experienced by one visitor at a time. The work draws from studies in analytical psychology, human sensory system, and biotechnology so to create an intimate and uncanny experience of one’s internal self. The work uses ad hoc biofeedback methods and wearable bioacoustic technology to create feedback systems within the visitor’s own body through sound (bioacoustics) and bioelectric signals. The senses are heightened beyond their natural threshold, so as to induce an intense experience between viscera and perception. The term Nigredo comes originally from alchemy, where it is referred to as putrefaction or decomposition. In order to create the philosopher’s stone, alchemists would produce a homogeneous black matter by slowly cooking all their ingredients at once. Later in the framework of analytical psychology, the term Nigredo became a metaphor for the moment of despair and disillusionment caused by a spiralling descent into the dark unknowns of the subconscious mind. The techniques used in this artwork are completely safe, however, be aware that the work includes high sound pressure level, pulsating lights, and induced body vibration." ~ PLEASE NOTE: Private showings will happen every ten minutes from 11h-14h and 15h-18h Due to the limited number of available slots it is recommended to reserve in advance. Book your slot at the bottom of this page: http://steim.org/event/nigredo-preview-feb21/ ~ DATE: 21 FEB 2013 TIME: Five showings per hour, one every 10 minutes 11h – 14h 15h – 18h COST: FREE LOCATION: STEIM, Achtergracht 19, Amsterdam ~ Hope to see some of you there, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Message from the boss of Raspberry Pi Foundation !
That's awesome Pierre! Charles (Henry) was working on GPU related computation with Pd. Some pretty cool stuff. It would be relevant to see how his work developed so far, and whether it might be useful in this context. On a side note, I'm taking a studio session with CCRMA folks at the upcoming TEI conference in Barcelona. We will be working with their Satellite kit, which is based on RPI [1]. My goal is to run the Xth Sense [2] biosensor and software directly on the RPI. And after seeing your work, I'm quite confident this is feasible, as the XS is also based on real time audio input. I'll keep you updated, meanwhile thanks for opening up this perspective Pd/RPI collab! [1] http://www.tei-conf.org/13/studios See Tangible and Embedded Linux with RPI [2] http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/ -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > Dear all, > > Please read below the message I received from Eben Upton, the boss of > Raspberry Pi foundation. > It looks like he was impressed by the video I made, and he says that > there's a possibility of letting the GPU do some DSP computation. > I guess you'll all agree that this is awesome news. > > I have no idea how we can proceed now. I think i'm absolutely incapable of > doing anything useful in this field, so i told him that i would transfer > this message to you, hoping that Miller, HC, Katja (and others) would know > what needs to be done. We should probably ask him if you guys could work > directly with their developers. > > Let me know what you think. > > Cheers! > > Pierre. > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Eben Upton > Date: 2013/2/8 > Subject: Re: RPi as multi-effects for guitar > To: Pierre Massat > > > Hi Pierre > Awesome stuff - I think Liz is preparing a blog post about this as we > speak. I'd be very interested in knowing a bit more about the DSP code > that runs this stuff. We have a bunch of GPU compute available on the > device just waiting for an application like this. > > Cheers > Eben > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] The third Japanese Pd-Book will be released on Feb.4.2013
big congrats Chikashi! very happy to see this out there.. great work. Congratulations! > J > > > > On Jan 17, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote: > > > Hi Chikashi, > > > > Congratulations! > > I also really look forward this new Pd book. > > I hope that both of our Japanese Pd books (your dictionary type book > > and my introductory book for newbies published an year ago) and my > > Japanese Pd menu translation in the next Pd-extended make new Japanese > > Pd users spreading. > > > > Best, > > > > Sei > > > > 2013/1/17 Chikashi Miyama : > >> > >> Dear Mailing List, > >> > >> Hello. My name is. Chikashi Miyama, a Japanese composer, living in > Germany. > >> I have just finished writing a book about Pure Data in Japanese. The > book > >> will be relased on Feb. 4 .2013. > >> This is the third book about Pd in Japanese and probably the biggest > book > >> (463 pages)!! ( if you do not Interpret "Designing Sound" as a book > about Pd > >> ; ) > >> > >> The main target of the book is musicians and artists who want to use > Pd for > >> their artistic creations. > >> The first part of the book includes 15 step-by-step tutorials. Through > these > >> tutorials, the readers can learn how to program metronome, synthesizer, > >> sampler, granular sampler, drum machine, various time-domain and > >> frequency-domain effects, presets, data structure and so on.. > >> The second part introduces 6 advanced ways to use Pd employing external > >> software and devices, such as Arduino, iPhone, Logic... It also > explains how > >> to use GEM, how to connect multiple Pds over the network, and how to > program > >> your own objects in C language with XCode. The third part is the object > >> dictionary, covering almost all Pd-vanilla objects with simple example > >> patches > >> Furthermore, the book includes interviews with three active artists > using Pd > >> for their projects. > >> > >> You can pre-order the book now on amazon Japan the price is 4,725 JPY. > >> > >> http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/486267142X > >> > >> The TOC and 12 sample pages are available on the website of the > publisher. > >> http://www.wgn.co.jp/store/dat/3244/ > >> > >> > >> best regards, > >> > >> === > >> Dr. Chikashi Miyama > >> Adjunct Instructor, Music College of Music and Dance, Cologne Germany > >> > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43.4 release candidate 1: last chance to report your bugs
those libs have been removed. You need to update your preferences by going to: Edit > Preferences > reset to default cheers -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:26:51 -0200 > From: Leandro da Mota Damasceno > Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 release candidate > 1: last chance to report your bugs > To: Nicolas Montgermont > Cc: PD List > Message-ID: > xrzckswwwnuge+de00y9l...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Well, > > I am having some issues, but I think they are mostly due to my setup or > something... I'm running on 10.8.2 Mac OS X, bt. > > I have been running 0.42.5 because I didn't want to risk it. So I waited > for a more stable version of pd-extended to start working hard on it. I > already had issues on the betas for 0.43.3 so I wasn't really in hurry... > > so now, thing is pretty simple. First of all, I'm not getting any audio > output. Even when it starts, pd-extended gives me an audio i/o error that > quickly disappears. > > I'm also getting this message: > > memento: can't load library > pixeltango: can't load library > rradical: can't load library > toxy: can't load library > flib: can't load library > flatspace: can't load library > pidip: can't load library > > > and it really can't load the libs :( > > I feel pretty lame but... help? > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
lovely!
so it's a bug.
Ok I'll file a bug report asap.
thanks a bunch!
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> Found it, its in iemgui:
>
> $ grep PHOTOIMAGE externals/iem/iemgui/src/*.c | grep 'create image'
> externals/iem/iemgui/src/hfadl_scale.c:
> sys_vgui(".x%lx.c create image %d %d -image %lxPHOTOIMAGE -tags
> %lxPHOTO\n",
> externals/iem/iemgui/src/hfadr_scale.c:
> sys_vgui(".x%lx.c create image %d %d -image %lxPHOTOIMAGE -tags
> %lxPHOTO\n",
> externals/iem/iemgui/src/iem_image.c:
> sys_vgui(".x%lx.c create image %d %d -image %lxPHOTOIMAGE -tags
> %lxPHOTO\n",
> externals/iem/iemgui/src/vfad_scale.c:
> sys_vgui(".x%x.c create image %d %d -image %xPHOTOIMAGE -tags
> %xPHOTO\n",
>
>
> File a bug report and assign it to 'tmusil' or 'zmoelnig, they're the
> recent
> committers there.
>
> .hc
>
> On 01/11/2013 10:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I get the same error, but I can't tell what object is causing the
> error. I don't think its [image]. Any idea? Can you actually see
> something is missing?
> >
> > .hc
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> >
> >> cool you can try it out, thanks, let me know if you get the same error.
> >> I'm on Ubuntu Lucid 10.04.
> >>
> >> Yes, I know about line3, was meant to check the license before shipping
> it with the xth-sense-lib
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> >> ~
> >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Trying it now. You might want to include [line3] in your externals lib
> too, or use a different object. It was part of flatspace, which is no
> longer included of Pd-extended as of 0.43.4.
> >>
> >> .hc
> >>
> >> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> >>
> >>> it's my Xth Sense patch.
> >>> It's not use to post it here, cuz you need the xth-sense-lib to run it.
> >>>
> >>> You can get the patch and the library here:
> >>> http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/#download
> >>>
> >>> thanks!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Marco Donnarumma
> >>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> >>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> >>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> >>> ~
> >>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> >>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> >>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can you post the patch that triggers this problem?
> >>>
> >>> .hc
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm keeping trying my patches with the new pd-ext to report back.
> >>>>
> >>>> From time to time when launching my Xth Sense patch this error
> appears:
> >>>>
> >>>> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x9c4d3b0.c"
> >>>> while executing
> >>>> ".x9c4d3b0.c create image 900 776 -image a4304c0PHOTOIMAGE -tags
> a4304c0PHOTO
> >>>> ("uplevel" body line 283)
> >>>> invoked from within
> >>>> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
> >>>>
> >>>> as far as I can understand, it might be
Re: [PD] Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
What I noticed is wrong, is that the GUI in the analysis module (the GOP at
the bottom right, with 5 sliders, and red scope) is frozen.
Data still flow in there, but the GUI doesn't show any response.
You can plug into your audio input any sounds producing device and see this.
This could suggest is something related to the layering of GOP. Although
there is no [image] object there.
You can open up that module with right-click, there are 4 parents on top of
it.
What makes it weirder is that the rest of the GUI does work.
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> Yeah, I get the same error, but I can't tell what object is causing the
> error. I don't think its [image]. Any idea? Can you actually see
> something is missing?
>
> .hc
>
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
> cool you can try it out, thanks, let me know if you get the same error.
> I'm on Ubuntu Lucid 10.04.
>
> Yes, I know about line3, was meant to check the license before shipping it
> with the xth-sense-lib
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Trying it now. You might want to include [line3] in your externals lib
>> too, or use a different object. It was part of flatspace, which is no
>> longer included of Pd-extended as of 0.43.4.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>>
>> it's my Xth Sense patch.
>> It's not use to post it here, cuz you need the xth-sense-lib to run it.
>>
>> You can get the patch and the library here:
>> http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/#download
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Can you post the patch that triggers this problem?
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I'm keeping trying my patches with the new pd-ext to report back.
>>>
>>> From time to time when launching my Xth Sense patch this error appears:
>>>
>>> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x9c4d3b0.c"
>>> while executing
>>> ".x9c4d3b0.c create image 900 776 -image a4304c0PHOTOIMAGE -tags
>>> a4304c0PHOTO
>>> ("uplevel" body line 283)
>>> invoked from within
>>> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
>>>
>>> as far as I can understand, it might be related to nested GOP subpatches.
>>> In fact, the GUI freezes (although data crunching still works).
>>> Then Pd can't be close (although still running properly), and you end up
>>> killing it.
>>>
>>> I've got GOP abstractions embedded in a parent GOP abstraction, and I
>>> load the latter into a parent GOP, which in turn is loaded into a subpatch.
>>>
>>> I know it sounds clumsy, but modularity like this works nicely for
>>> updating the whole software without changing the main patch.
>>>
>>> It worked perfectly fine with pd-ext 0.42.5.
>>>
>>> any idea if I'm doing something wrong, or Pd does?
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [PD] Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
cool you can try it out, thanks, let me know if you get the same error.
I'm on Ubuntu Lucid 10.04.
Yes, I know about line3, was meant to check the license before shipping it
with the xth-sense-lib
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> Trying it now. You might want to include [line3] in your externals lib
> too, or use a different object. It was part of flatspace, which is no
> longer included of Pd-extended as of 0.43.4.
>
> .hc
>
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
> it's my Xth Sense patch.
> It's not use to post it here, cuz you need the xth-sense-lib to run it.
>
> You can get the patch and the library here:
> http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/#download
>
> thanks!
>
>
> --
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> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
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>
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Can you post the patch that triggers this problem?
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I'm keeping trying my patches with the new pd-ext to report back.
>>
>> From time to time when launching my Xth Sense patch this error appears:
>>
>> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x9c4d3b0.c"
>> while executing
>> ".x9c4d3b0.c create image 900 776 -image a4304c0PHOTOIMAGE -tags
>> a4304c0PHOTO
>> ("uplevel" body line 283)
>> invoked from within
>> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
>>
>> as far as I can understand, it might be related to nested GOP subpatches.
>> In fact, the GUI freezes (although data crunching still works).
>> Then Pd can't be close (although still running properly), and you end up
>> killing it.
>>
>> I've got GOP abstractions embedded in a parent GOP abstraction, and I
>> load the latter into a parent GOP, which in turn is loaded into a subpatch.
>>
>> I know it sounds clumsy, but modularity like this works nicely for
>> updating the whole software without changing the main patch.
>>
>> It worked perfectly fine with pd-ext 0.42.5.
>>
>> any idea if I'm doing something wrong, or Pd does?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~
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Re: [PD] Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
it's my Xth Sense patch.
It's not use to post it here, cuz you need the xth-sense-lib to run it.
You can get the patch and the library here:
http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/#download
thanks!
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
> Can you post the patch that triggers this problem?
>
> .hc
>
> On Jan 11, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I'm keeping trying my patches with the new pd-ext to report back.
>
> From time to time when launching my Xth Sense patch this error appears:
>
> (Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x9c4d3b0.c"
> while executing
> ".x9c4d3b0.c create image 900 776 -image a4304c0PHOTOIMAGE -tags
> a4304c0PHOTO
> ("uplevel" body line 283)
> invoked from within
> "uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
>
> as far as I can understand, it might be related to nested GOP subpatches.
> In fact, the GUI freezes (although data crunching still works).
> Then Pd can't be close (although still running properly), and you end up
> killing it.
>
> I've got GOP abstractions embedded in a parent GOP abstraction, and I load
> the latter into a parent GOP, which in turn is loaded into a subpatch.
>
> I know it sounds clumsy, but modularity like this works nicely for
> updating the whole software without changing the main patch.
>
> It worked perfectly fine with pd-ext 0.42.5.
>
> any idea if I'm doing something wrong, or Pd does?
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~
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> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
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[PD] Pd-ext 0.43.4 Tcl Invalid Command Name error
Hey,
I'm keeping trying my patches with the new pd-ext to report back.
>From time to time when launching my Xth Sense patch this error appears:
(Tcl) INVALID COMMAND NAME: invalid command name ".x9c4d3b0.c"
while executing
".x9c4d3b0.c create image 900 776 -image a4304c0PHOTOIMAGE -tags
a4304c0PHOTO
("uplevel" body line 283)
invoked from within
"uplevel #0 $cmds_from_pd"
as far as I can understand, it might be related to nested GOP subpatches.
In fact, the GUI freezes (although data crunching still works).
Then Pd can't be close (although still running properly), and you end up
killing it.
I've got GOP abstractions embedded in a parent GOP abstraction, and I load
the latter into a parent GOP, which in turn is loaded into a subpatch.
I know it sounds clumsy, but modularity like this works nicely for updating
the whole software without changing the main patch.
It worked perfectly fine with pd-ext 0.42.5.
any idea if I'm doing something wrong, or Pd does?
thanks!
--
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New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
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Re: [PD] pmpd2d does not create Pd-extended 0.43.4 latest
yep, that works, thanks! Should have tried that in any case, I tried modifying the name of the lib folder and the *-meta.pd file to pm4pd, and that works as it should. So yes, Cyrille, renaming might be a good thing to do for the next release. cheers, M > maybe try: > pmpd/pmpd2d? > I often have this problem... > I think it's because the library has the same name than the object pmpd > n > > > for future pmpd release, would it help if i rename it pm4pd, so that the > lib did not have the same name as one object? > > cheers > c > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pmpd2d does not create Pd-extended 0.43.4 latest
The subject says it all. I'm on Linux Ubuntu Lucid 10.04, pd-extended 0.43.4 latest 2013-01-03 (from Hans ppa) Would be great is someone else could try. to reproduce: Launch Pd in a new blank patch create [import pmpd] and [pmpd2d] [pmpd2d] does not create (at least here) if I run the [pmpd2d] help patch, then I'm able to create the object in my patch. But doing so causes random crashes of Pd cannot play my av! any hint? thanks in advance, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: > Pittsburgh sounds good to me. > > > > >Now that I live in London, I'd like to consider organising a Con here > with our other Pd folks, but for the next year I'm a bit stuck with work at > Uni. > >So Pittsburgh could be great! > > > Yeah, the London Con is still a mythical creature. Ryan and I tried last > time to find funding and drew a blank! > Ye I remember! now that I'm at Goldsmiths there might be some more resources. But need to check. > Best, > Ed > > > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...
Hey, having the first Con in US sounds good! Hope to find a way to get there though :) October would work fine. Now that I live in London, I'd like to consider organising a Con here with our other Pd folks, but for the next year I'm a bit stuck with work at Uni. So Pittsburgh could be great! best, M On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 05:04:55PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > Its time to start talking about the next PdCon! I was just talking with > Golan Levin and Dan Wilcox about the possibility of having the next PdCon > at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh. > > > > One possibility is having it coincide and partner with a local music and > new media festival in the first week of october: > http://www.via-pgh.com/festival/2012/ > > > > Is that workable for people? Any other discussion about other possible > locations? > > > > .hc > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD & AI
there was a porting going on, but it then stopped for some reasons which I personally don't know, but I think have been on the list at some point. Me and other people, like Joao Pais, are interested in making the porting happen, and as we can see, there's demand for it. -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Leandro da Mota Damasceno < lem...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'll try it then. I wonder there isn't a more ambitious approach for a > broader AI package for PD. Honestly, one of the ugliest things I've done to > work with machine learning was running an app built in Max/MSP and > communicating with PD via OSC. Ah, the good old days... :) > > is there anything like FTM for PD? > > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > >> Probably :) >> >> ANN is based on Neural Networks. You don't have HMM. >> But I find it quite flexible. >> That said, I think it is a very good library to get started with AI, but >> if you want to get some heavy work done, other tools might be better. >> >> hope that helps, >> >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >> ~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Leandro da Mota Damasceno < >> lem...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Marco. I have been using OSC communications with other software, >>> but I'm far from satisfied. I'll try ANN, thought. >>> >>> I am actually interested in working with Hidden Markov Models (and >>> machine learning in general) and some filters for computer vision. Can I >>> work with those using ANN? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Leandro >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Marco Donnarumma >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> I've been using the ANN library. >>>> I'm not sure it's still updated nor mantained these days, but it does >>>> work well for my purpose. >>>> >>>> http://puredata.info/search?SearchableText=ann >>>> >>>> That is, I've been using it to make my instrument (the Xth Sense [1]) >>>> detect a performer's muscle states throughout a piece by using 1 sensor >>>> only; then, labelling different states, such as still, motion, fast motion, >>>> slow motion. It's a basic implementation but useful to create a sensing >>>> timeline that changes with the performer behaviours, rather than with fixed >>>> time cues. >>>> >>>> Surely, there is much more to AI which cannot be presently done in Pd, >>>> at the best of my knowledge, I might be wrong though. >>>> Ben (Bogart) is our guy in this area. >>>> >>>> What are you using Ben? >>>> >>>> [1] http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> I have been wondering... Is there any AI implementation for PD? What >>>>> have you been using for it? >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Leandro >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marco Donnarumma >>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >>>> ~ >>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >>>> >>>> >>> >> > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD & AI
Probably :) ANN is based on Neural Networks. You don't have HMM. But I find it quite flexible. That said, I think it is a very good library to get started with AI, but if you want to get some heavy work done, other tools might be better. hope that helps, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Leandro da Mota Damasceno wrote: > Thanks, Marco. I have been using OSC communications with other software, > but I'm far from satisfied. I'll try ANN, thought. > > I am actually interested in working with Hidden Markov Models (and machine > learning in general) and some filters for computer vision. Can I work with > those using ANN? > > Best, > > Leandro > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> I've been using the ANN library. >> I'm not sure it's still updated nor mantained these days, but it does >> work well for my purpose. >> >> http://puredata.info/search?SearchableText=ann >> >> That is, I've been using it to make my instrument (the Xth Sense [1]) >> detect a performer's muscle states throughout a piece by using 1 sensor >> only; then, labelling different states, such as still, motion, fast motion, >> slow motion. It's a basic implementation but useful to create a sensing >> timeline that changes with the performer behaviours, rather than with fixed >> time cues. >> >> Surely, there is much more to AI which cannot be presently done in Pd, at >> the best of my knowledge, I might be wrong though. >> Ben (Bogart) is our guy in this area. >> >> What are you using Ben? >> >> [1] http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/ >> >> >> >> Hi all >>> >>> I have been wondering... Is there any AI implementation for PD? What >>> have you been using for it? >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Leandro >> >> -- >> Marco Donnarumma >> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. >> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. >> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London >> ~ >> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com >> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com >> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net >> >> > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD & AI
Hey, I've been using the ANN library. I'm not sure it's still updated nor mantained these days, but it does work well for my purpose. http://puredata.info/search?SearchableText=ann That is, I've been using it to make my instrument (the Xth Sense [1]) detect a performer's muscle states throughout a piece by using 1 sensor only; then, labelling different states, such as still, motion, fast motion, slow motion. It's a basic implementation but useful to create a sensing timeline that changes with the performer behaviours, rather than with fixed time cues. Surely, there is much more to AI which cannot be presently done in Pd, at the best of my knowledge, I might be wrong though. Ben (Bogart) is our guy in this area. What are you using Ben? [1] http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/ Hi all > > I have been wondering... Is there any AI implementation for PD? What have > you been using for it? > > Best > > Leandro -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Three biomedia performances in Rio de Janeiro: sonic, vexed, networked bodies
(Sorry for x-post) SARC (Sonic Arts Research Center) and Multiplicidade Festival with the support of the Transform initiative by the British Council present In Rio de Janeiro, a night of biomedia performances with Anna Weisling, Miguel Ortiz, and Marco Donnarumma. Programme: - Dentro, a music performance for brainwaves and heart-rate biointerface (Ortiz) - Liminal Corpus (world premiere), audio-visual trio for Xth Sense and networked biological bodies (Weisling, Ortiz, Donnarumma) - Hypo Chrysos (South America premiere), action art for vexed body and biophysical media (Donnarumma) Learn about the work on-line: http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/hypo-chrysos/ WHEN: h 19.00, Thursday 15th November 2012 WHERE: PANORAMA Performance Festival, Centro de Artes Helio Oiticica, Rio De Janeiro ENTRANCE: Free Curated by Batman Zavarese for Multiplicidade, organized by SARC, with the support of British Council. Ref: http://www.multiplicidade.com/2012/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=58 Hope to see some of you there, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] IBM & PureData
ehehe, that would be fun. I'm still trying to understand what's the marketing strategy here, if any. M > Hi, > > I actually had considered naming the "Blocked Signal Processing (BSP)" > idiom > which I presented at LAC 2010 "Interrupted Block Mathematics" at first. I > didn't. > > Ciao > -- > Frank > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] LiveCoding symposium in Mexico City...
cool! Cenart is a great place, have seen some live coding event there this summer. Have fun! -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > there is a symposium on LiveCoding in Mexico City from 13th to 16th of > november 2013. > > http://vivo2012.cenart.tv/ > > in case you are around > > fgmsdr > IOhannes > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAlCXgDUACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvR/egCbB02/LdH4GqUrr5JQQ6uxZgr2 > UrIAn1lZkJLhx4ZSr4fkqAVi34XTgeiJ > =Ic/h > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Pd-announce mailing list > pd-annou...@iem.at > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Ominous, new work for the Xth Sense at the 5th Live Electronic Music Competition, ECPNM, BE
Dear all, A novel piece for the Xth Sense [1], my visceral biophysical instrument, was commissioned by ECPNM (European Conference of Promoters of New Music), in occasion of the finals of the 5th Live Electronic Music Project Competition, during the ISCM World New Music Days [2]. The new work, titled "Ominous", is ready to be premiered tomorrow at De Singel concert hall, in Atwerp, BE. "Ominous is a sculpture of incarnated sound... The performance embodies, before the audience, the metaphor of an invisible and unknown object enclosed in my hands. This is made of malleable sonic matter. Similarly to a mime, I model the object in the empty space by means of whole-body gestures. The natural sound of my muscles and its virtual counterpart blend together into an unstable sonic object... The listeners see through sound the sculpture which their sight cannot perceive." Tags: multidimensional gesture, machine learning, muscle sounds, visceral embodiment. Read more at: http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/ominous/ Also on stage tomorrow John Eckhardt, one of the most fascinating performers of the contemporary music scene. fingers crossed! best wishes, [1] http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense [2] http://goo.gl/a7B6g -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] share-mem lib
the project sounds great, quite happy you had time and will to take this on, thank you! Look forward to give it a try. cheers, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net btw : the object is still in development and may improve these days > specially concerning the message syntax. > we may provide osx (and ubuntu) binaries after the testing period. > best, > n > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] FTM porting to Pd, why it was abandoned?
which is to say, is there anything I/we could do to revive the porting? thx, cheers, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] DMT - a trio of biophysical music, augmented drums, hacked smartphones at ISEA2012, ABQ, NM
Dear all, we are thrilled to invite you to this upcoming concert at ISEA 2012: Wilderness, in Albuquerque, New Mexico. For the first time together on stage Adam Parkinson (stepping in for Atau Tanaka, who sadly couldn't join us), Christos Michalakos, and myself Marco Donnarumma will present DMT. DMT is the brand-new collaborative project by Donnarumma, Michalakos, and Tanaka. DMT brings together the Xth Sense biophysical music, an augmented drum kit, and hacked smartphones for a wall of visceral and pulsing music. ~~ WHEN: Tomorrow, Sunday 23rd September, 2012 from 6pm to 8pm WHERE: The Box performance space 100 Gold Ave. SW -, Ste. 112B, Albuquerque, NM 87102 REF: http://isea2012.org/ ~~ Hope to see you there, give us a shout if you plan to come, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Ekext and Gemnotes downloads
cool, thanks! -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: > Hi List, > > The latest versions of ekext and gemnotes are now up-to-date both in the > svn repository and at http://puredata.info/Members/edkelly > > Included in ekext are the latest versions of mvcf~ (a transistor-ladder > filter emulation), and wavefolder~/wavestretcher~ for morphing synthesis > waveforms. > > Enjoy! > Ed > > Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! > http://sharktracks.co.uk/ > > ___ > Pd-announce mailing list > pd-annou...@iem.at > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd meeting(s) in Volos/Greece
Hey Kyriakos, that's a great news. It would be great if you could add the Volos group to this page below, in which all other groups are listed: http://puredata.info/community/groups thank you! cheers, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > Hey Kyriakos, > > that's a great news. > > It would be great if you could add the Volos group to this page below, in > which all other groups are listed: > http://puredata.info/community/groups > > thank you! > cheers, > -- > Marco Donnarumma > New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. > Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. > Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London > ~ > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > > > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Kyriakos Tsoukalas < > ktsouka...@ktsoukalas.net> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> For those close to Volos/Greece there is going to be a pd meeting every >> month in Volos. The kickoff meeting is on Sunday 18.00, 30 September 2012. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Kyriakos >> - Info: http://puredata.info/Members/ktsoukalas/pd-volos/ >> >> >> ___ >> Pd-announce mailing list >> pd-annou...@iem.at >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >> > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Sound, flesh, openness, and biotech in Europe, US, and Brazil
(apologies for x-post) Hello Pd fellas, here's my 6-monthly mailout. It includes a selection of what happened recently and what's coming up in the next months. http://marcodonnarumma.com/next/sept2012/ You'll find more info about: - New Xth Sense project finalist at European Competition for Live Electronic Music - Music for Flesh II, biophysical music at ISEA, New Mexico, US - Biotechnological Performance Practice, a new publication out now - Upcoming sonic body concerts in UK, Slovenia, Ireland, Hungary, and Brazil. - Xth Sense biophysical tech schematic released, and user's forum now on-line - On the press: Reuters, Create Digital Music, and Digicult features. thanks for reading! please, let me know if you happen to be around one of those events so we could hook up, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Xth Sense: instrument, code, schematic, tutorial on-line now
Heya all, I've been away from the list finalizing the release of the Xth Sense and other major commitments. The Xth Sense (software and hardware) is finally available on-line, get binaries, DIY documentation, and tutorials at: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/ The digital interface is developed in Pd; there's a main software for the computation of incoming muscle sound (and virtually any sound input), and the xth-sense-lib, a collection of 120 objects (and help files) ranging from specific muscle sound methods, to everyday Pd patching needs. It also includes a lot of GUI stuff, to facilitate building things. Wanna the source? Here you go: https://github.com/marcodsad What is the Xth Sense? "**is a biophysical musical instrument. You can build your own and produce music with it using the sound of your muscles. It is free and open source, and it was named the “world’s most innovative new musical instrument” by the Georgia Tech Center for Music Technology (US, 2012). Its name is spelled ecsth sense (not tenth sense!). But it’s way easier to call XS." With the XS you can also control other software on your machine (video, audio, light systems, etc.), send Voltage output to hardware, or control a prosthetic arm. Hacks are encouraged by the design of the instrument itself. For some ideas see: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/projects/xth-sense/#get-started We have a (newly born) user's forum, courtesy of Create Digital Music/Motion; the forum lives at: http://createdigitalnoise.com/categories/xth We are on also on Facebook (imagine!): http://www.facebook.com/XthSense if anybody works with it, let me know! We have users and works in Australia, Sweden, US, UK, Ireland, Spain, Vietnam, Germany, Russia, Netherlands, and Italy, so far :) hope it is useful to some of you, cheers, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] simulating bass guitar with muscle sounds
I'd like to know if there's any method around to emulate the sound of bass guitar. I'm aware of a couple of examples by Andy Farnell for kind of acoustic bass sounds. But can't find more specific examples. I don't want to make a bass synth, rather would like to understand the methods by which an electric bass sound can be emulated. The goal would be, then, to process muscle sounds captured by the Xth Sense so to loosely "sound like" a bass. The muscle sound is between 2-45Hz, but pitch shifting (both tape and single side modulation) don't work well (at least alone) in this sense. I'm starting from - fast attack (punch) - precise pitch (difficult to achieve 'cause muscle sound is a sum of inharmonic partials) - notes triggering (this is possible with finger tracking in the Xth Sense, a bit dirty, but it works) thanks! cheers, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] binaural encoder
Hey Jaime, I remember Audience, presented by Regis at Weimar Pd Con: http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Conference/AUDIENCE_for_Pd,_a_scene-oriented_library_for_spatial_audio it looked pretty good during the presentation/demo, although I never tested it myself. best, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > Hello list, > > I have been trying out [earplug~] and the resulting sounds are not great. > There is a great loss in amplitude and a spectral transformation caused by > the filter that boosts bass and hinders mid and high frequencies. > > Any of you know of other options for binaural encoding? > > best, > > J > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] link to download pdmtl2 abstractions?
The usual wiki at [1] seems somehow corrupted. What about the svn here: http://code.goto10.org/projects/pdmtl/ M [1] http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions > > hi there, cant find a link to downloads these greats abstractions > > any help? > > thanks > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20120727/044d5cd4/attachment-0001.htm > > > > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Music for Flesh and Xth Sense Biophysical Open Hardware, FILE festival Sao Paulo
Dears, a cordial invitation. FILE Festival presents a concert for Biophysical Music and a workshop on the Xth Sense in Sao Paulo with Marco Donnarumma. ~~ Concert 19th July H. 20.40 Teatro SESI-SP, Av. Paulista, Sao Paulo. - Music for Flesh II - Nascent Two diverse works in which the performer's muscular fibres produces sounds that resonate the audience tympanic membrane. Biophysical music is a term I coined to define sound that is a direct result of joint biological and physical body mechanisms. http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/music-for-flesh-ii/ Readings: http://marcodonnarumma.com/texts/ ~~ Workshop 20th July H.14.30/20.30 SESI-SP, Av. Paulista, Sao Paulo - Xth Sense. Build your own biophysical open hardware, reclaim your body and let it sound. The *Xth Sense (XS)* is a biophysical musical instrument. With the sound of your muscles you can produce music, and control any software applications. The XS is free and open source, and it was named the “world’s most innovative new musical instrument” by the Georgia Tech Center for Music Technology (US, 2012). You can build your own with £10, hack it or modify it. No need of APIs and such. Just make it. http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/xth-sense/ hope some of you can make it there tonight. best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Moving Forest - durational performance of remorse for extended bodies 4th July LDN
Dear all,
introducing an upcoming durational performance in London, part of the
Moving Forest aka The Castle.
Hope to see some of you there, even though the early time.
best wishes,
M
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ACT 1 - REMORSE
DATE: Wed 4th July 2012
HOUR: 11:00 - 13:00
LOCATION: Triangle gallery, Chelsea College of Art and Design (CCAD)
Francesca de Rimini - text and reading
Linda Dement - text and blood machines
Marco Donnarumma - Xth Sense body suit, burned amplifiers, human flesh
sonic feedback
Laura Oldfield Ford - video
"Moving Forest expands the last 12 minute of Kurosawa’s adaptation of
Shakespeare’s Macbeth, ‘Throne of Blood’ (1957), into a sonic performance
saga with a prelude of 12 days, a durational performance of 6 acts in 12
hours and a closing Coda for the sake of argument.
First presented at Transmediale.08. Berlin 2008, Moving Forest London maps
an imaginary castle and a camouflaged forest revolt onto the
hyper-playground of the London metropolis on the eve of Olympics 2012."
Other 4 performances will follow at CCAD until 21.00.
With Valentina Vuksic, Olsen Wolf, Kaffe Matthews, xname, Ewa Justka, Bioni
Samp, Vasco Alves, Atau Tanaka, Graham Harwood, AUDiNT (Toby Heys, Steve
Goodman).
Concept and Scenario: Shu Lea Cheang and Martin Howse, 2007
Organized by: TAKE2030 (Ilze Black and Shu Lea Cheang)
Matthew Fuller (Center for Cultural studies, Goldsmiths College)
Graham Harwood (MA Interactive Media, Goldsmiths College)
Rachel Baker {irational.org}
--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing)
The University of Edinburgh, UK
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[PD] [PD-announce] [Workshop] Xth Sense Biophysical Music, London, Final Reminder
XTH SENSE Workshop @ Beam Festival, London with Marco Donnarumma. Create your own low cost, biophysical, wearable sensor for muscle sounds. We have only very few places left. Visit the link below to register. Registration: http://www.beamfestival.com/tickets-2/ ~~WHAT The Xth Sense is a biophysical musical instrument. With it you can produce music with the sound of your muscles. It is free and open source, and it was named the “world’s most innovative new musical instrument” by the Georgia Tech Center for Music Technology (US, 2012). Its name is spelled ecsth sense (not tenth sense!). But it’s way easier to call it XS. Students will build their own XS sensor. Theoretical and practical training in gestural control of music and bodily audiovisual performance with the Xth Sense will be provided. Reclaim your body and let it sound! Complete info: http://marcodonnarumma.com/teaching/xth-sense-biophysical-music/ ~~WHEN The workshop costs £50 and takes place over 3 sessions: 6 – 7.30pm Friday 22 June 11am – 6pm Saturday 23 June 10am – 12pm Sunday 24 June ~~WHERE Brunel University, Uxbridge, London. feel free to distribute to your networks, thanks, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended on the Raspberry Pi
cool, I don't have one yet, trying to get one. But will surely do, hope soon, M On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Tedb0t wrote: > For convenience, I uploaded the package (.deb) here: > > http://download.puredata.info/pd-extended-rpi/releases/1.0/Pd-0.43.1-extended-20120606.deb/view > > If anyone else has a Raspberry Pi, can you download this and try > installing it? Thanks! > > —t3db0t > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > > That's great! thanks for sharing, and keep us updated. > M > > > >> After much tribulation, I managed to build Pd-extended on the RPi: >> >> http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/how-to-build-pd-extended-on-the-raspberry-pi >> >> I'm getting some noise, possibly due to the beta alsa driver, but I'm >> looking into it... >> >> ?t3db0t >> > > -- > Marco Donnarumma > New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. > ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) > The University of Edinburgh, UK > ~ > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | > http://www.flxer.net > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > > > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pd-extended on the Raspberry Pi
That's great! thanks for sharing, and keep us updated. M > After much tribulation, I managed to build Pd-extended on the RPi: > > http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/how-to-build-pd-extended-on-the-raspberry-pi > > I'm getting some noise, possibly due to the beta alsa driver, but I'm > looking into it... > > ?t3db0t > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] iemguts on windows 2
yep! it would be even nicer to have on linux :P M > Nice! > http://.org/blog/default-directx-renderer#comment-80801 > > > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] OT: Fwd: Flossofia
Just forwarding this video that xname sent on the Piksel list. A documentary about FLOSS and its community. Among which many friends from this list! So most of you probably know of this already, but it's a very good documentation resource. So I thought to spread it a bit. see video below! cheers Marco -- Forwarded message -- From: xname Date: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM Subject: [piksel] Flossofia To: pik...@piksel.no Hello everybody, I met Ernesto Romero at the Supercollider exhibition and he gave me this link: http://vimeo.com/33207474 It's a video from Piksel08 and Makeart ... Best, Eleonora ___ piksel mailing list pik...@piksel.no http://piksel.no/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/piksel http://www.piksel.no -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Xth Sense - Biophysical Summer Workshops Mexico DF, New York, London, Berlin
Dear all, hoping it might be of interest, I'm writing to forward the info related to the Xth Sense (XS) Summer Workshops. The XS is a free and open biophysical technology. It was recently named the "world's most innovative new musical instrument" by the Georgia Tech Center for Music Technology (US). Courses are taking place worldwide, below detailed info and how to get involved. ~ _WHAT: Xth Sense - Sonic Body and Biophysical Music http://marcodonnarumma.com/teaching/xth-sense-biophysical-music/ Build your own low cost biosensing wearable device for muscle sounds. Hands-on training in augmentation of the body for musical performance. _WHERE: \ MEXICO DF | *Liveness* It is the first Mexican gathering of international artists whose main interest lies in the critical investigation and distribution of a discourse around theater, dance or performance practices that rely on a tight relationship between body and technology. @ Centro Multimedia del Centro Nacional de las Artes, Mexico DF <http://liveness.cenart.tv/?p=715> \ NEW YORK | *Harvestworks* Founded in 1977, its mission is to support the creation and presentation of art works achieved through the use of new and evolving technologies. <http://liveness.cenart.tv/?p=715> @ Harvestworks, New York, USA \ LONDON | *BEAM Festival* It is a high-tech music weekender, a playground of homemade instruments and sonic installations, where you can listen to, watch and learn how to create your own physically living electronic music. @ Artaud Forum, Brunel University, London, UK \ BERLIN | To be announced This session needs to be confirmed, but expression of interest are welcome. <http://www.beamfestival.com/> _HOW <http://www.beamfestival.com/> Visit this page below, and book your place by visiting the related links for each event. http://marcodonnarumma.com/calendar/ Places are limited to 10 participants for each session, so it is recommended to book in advance. If you want to host an Xth Sense workshop, don't hesitate to contact me by replying to this email. thanks, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] sf/bay area anyone?
There will be an installation of mine [1] there, but I won't be able to attend. Was really looking forward to come over, but it's kind of a bad timing for me. Have fun folks! M [1] http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/the-invisible-suns-project/ > since i spend a few days in san francisco (for visiting the linux audio > conference [1] in stanford) i wanted to ask whether there are some Pders > round here who would like to go for a beer... > > fgmasdr > IOhannes > > > > [1] http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2012/ > > > > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] new GUI obect: filterview, for generating and seeing biquad coefficients
Looks lovely! Thanks guys, M On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > Announcing [filterview], a new GUI object for generating and visualizing > biquad coefficients. It allows to you manipulate the filter band, > frequency, and gain using your mouse. The magnatude and phase are then > graphed in realtime as the parameters changed, and the list of biquad > coefficients are output. It is inspired by the [filtergraph~] object in > Max/MSP. Thanks to Mike Moser-Booth for doing all of the math behind the > scenes. > > It requires Pd-extended 0.43 to run. I just got to a beta state, it works > well for me, but it does crash Pd sometimes when you close a patch with > [filterview] in it. Try it out and let me know how it works for you. > > http://puredata.info/downloads/filterview > > Also, as a side note, this object is an experiment with a new way of > writing GUI objects. It started out as a pure Tcl program, and the GUI > part still runs as a standalone Tcl program (try running ./filterview.tcl > from the Terminal). This makes development and debugging vastly easier. > Additionally, I tried to move more of the GUI code to the Tcl side, so > you'll see that it uses fewer widgetbehaviors, and uses Tk's bind feature > quite a bit. > > .hc > > > > > > > > > > >kill your television > > > > _______ > Pd-announce mailing list > pd-annou...@iem.at > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] BEAM Night - Tanaka, Donnarumma, Zamborlin, Bugs, Leafcutter LDN 4th April
BEAM night @ Cafe OTO Wednesday 4th of April at 20:00 Tickets at £5 in advance (otherwise £7 on the door). http://www.wegottickets.com/event/157574 BEAM Festival presents BEAM NIGHT – a special one-off taster event held at Cafe OTO. Following BEAM’s mission, the acts of this night were all featured at BEAM 2011 and all use unusual and/or homemade interfaces to perform. http://www.beamfestival.com/beam-night/ - Atau Tanaka & Adam Parkinson play iPhones as sensitive, handheld controllers. - Bruno Zamborlin performs Cafe OTO’s wall – possibly for the first time?! With his invention, Mogees, which read gestural language on any surface. - Marco Donnarumma’s Music for Flesh is a visceral sensor performance using his instrument system Xth sense, which has just been named “the world’s most innovative new musical instrument” and awarded First Prize at the Guthman Musical Instrument Competiton in Atlanta. - Tom Bugs (maker of Bugbrand synth products) appears in a rare performance using his Modular Synths and also sets up a mini-installation for the night. - The beguilingly creative Leafcutter John conjures up soundscapes with his new explorations in light and sound. hope to see some of you there, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Hypo Chrysos, action art for vexed body and biophysical media
Hello folks, I finally managed to put on-line the video of the second, new performance work based on the Xth Sense. This work tries to investigate a very different field of interaction, if compared to my previous piece Music for Flesh II. Octophonic visceral sound, sensing video and 2 concrete blocks of 15kg each. http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/hypo-chrysos/ Feedback, critics and suggestions are more than welcome! and thanks Cyrille for the awesome pmpd workshop at the PdCon 2011 and shader tips! thanks, best wishes, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pure-data as SourceForge featured project, week of March 26
Nice one!! > We're on the font page of Sourceforge this week! > > https://sourceforge.net/ > > .hc > > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Xth Sense USA tour 2012 - preparing for...
Hello folks, I'm happy to announce I will be touring in the USA (east coast) for about whole May 2012. The confirmed stops at the moment are Houston, Austin, New York, Detroit, Ann Arbor. I'm looking for dates in New York, Detroit, and further places along the way to fill in the schedule. The tour will focus on the award-winning Xth Sense [1] and all the related activities, see links below: - Performances [2] [3] - Workshop [4] - Talk [5] If you are interested in a performance, workshop or talk, please get in touch and/or forward this info to your networks. many thanks in advance! best wishes, [1] http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/xth-sense/ [2] Music for Flesh II http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/music-for-flesh-ii/ [3] Hypo Chrysos http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/hypo-chrysos/ [4] Biophysical Music http://marcodonnarumma.com/teaching/xth-sense-biophysical-music/ [5] http://marcodonnarumma.com/bio/#publications -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Xth Sense Biophysical Music talk and performance, SARC Belfast
Dear all, I'm glad to forward the information concerning the brilliant Sonorities Festival, at SARC, Sonic Arts Research Center, Belfast. I've been invited to speak about my model of biophysical music [1] in the plenary panel discussion and perform the piece Music for Flesh II [2]. Make sure to check the complete program on-line [3], below few info. March 24 16.00 - 18.00 Plenary Session - Body and Music with Atau Tanaka, Ben Knapp, Miguel Ortiz Perez, Marco Donnarumma, moderated by Simon Waters. ~~ March 25 1.10 pm Performances for Biosystems Miguel Ortiz - Dentro Marco Donnarumma - Music for Flesh II Conor Barry - BeatBack Samson Young - I am thinking in a room Hope to see some of you there, best wishes, [1] http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/xth-sense/ [2] http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/music-for-flesh-ii/ [3] http://www.qub.ac.uk/sonorities/ -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] porting a Pd patch to Max license issues
> But distributing the saved executable is the usual practice in the Max way > of > doing things, if you are making something for somebody else. > > > > >>>> p.s. I would be happy if it was. > >> > >> I'd say, but I am not a lawyer, that it certainly is partly the case - > >> GPLed libraries can't be part of standalone executables that are > >> distributed to another party. > > > > ... unless the "corresponding source" of those executables is itself > > made available under the GPL... with which we're back to system > libraries. > > But the corresponding source cannot be made available ... parts of the > source > correspond to parts of the internal Max code, or to closed-source Max > objects, > and these parts are not available to be distributed ... the binary parts > derived > from this non-distributable code is included in the executable and is in > no way > a "system library" ... it is not on the users system independently, it is > only > present inside the executable in question! ... And this binary is not a > compiled > version of the patch ready to be "interpreted" by Max ... there is no > interpreter installed locally to run it, yet it runs fine and quite > independently. > > You can, I think, distribute a Max patch which has some GPL objects in it > (as > long as you comply with the GPL for those objects and any restrictions on > other > objects). Then anyone can run it using Max as the interpreter, or compile > it for > their own use. But you cannot distribute an executable derived from some > GPL > code which is statically linked to some incompatible code. This is equally > true > of the output of a C compiler ... if the executable that results from > compiling > GPL code includes libraries that are incompatible with the GPL (rather than > linking to external system libraries) then you cannot distribute the > result. > > > > > >>> Sorry if that's bad news for you... as Stallman would very likely not > >>> hesitate to point out, __any__ kind of restriction on what your users > >>> can or cannot do with your software makes that software less free, and > >>> is therefore generally a Bad Thing (at least for the FSF and those who > >>> share its interests and goals). > >> > >> Yes ... to _use_ for anything, by anybody, without restriction. But > >> distribution of executables is very deliberately restricted (in a way I > >> personally think is very appropriate), and must be accompanied with the > >> full, properly licensable and reusable under GPL, code for the _whole_ > >> executable. > > > > I agree -- in the case of C code it's pretty clear what is meant by > > "library", "linking", "using", etc., and of course what sort of > > creatures the "system libraries" are. For other languages, those terms > > get murky very quickly. I still think that a system library / > > interpreter / compiler exception might be made to apply, provided that > > the package source remained GPL, without trying to infect Max; but it > > seems to come down to a question of "linking" vs > "interpreting/compiling". > > The GPL in no way "tries to infect" any other code. That would be > impossible > anyway. A binary that is built from mixed GPL and more liberally licensed > but > compatible code must be accompanied by its complete source code - original > licenses remain intact, not just the GPL parts. > > This certainly restricts the ways that GPL code can be used significantly > more > than some other licenses do, since if you can't distribute your whole code > then > you can't use any GPL code. Projects may of course be tempted to restrict > themselves to compatible code so that they are able to make use of the > large > body of existing GPL code. > > >> With this in mind the motivation to port to Max may evaporate. > > > > Hmm... if we can keep up the debate on GPL arcana for another few > > weeks, I'd say it almost certainly will ;-) > > From the comments by the person who wrote the code it would seem he would > prefer it if that motivation did evaporate. That was probably related to > the > reason he chose GPL as the license for his code in the first place. > > The GPL is very clear in its intentions ... obviously any project that > does not > wish to restrict the use of their code in this way should not choose GPL > (and > should not make use of GPL code), and anyone looking for code to use > without > the
Re: [PD] porting a Pd patch to Max license issues
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > thanks for the hint Bryan, > that might apply. > In this case, porting the code to Max or Max4Live is not legal, unless I > specify an additional exception for it, is it correct? > > so now, to make it spicier, > I found this FAQ: > ~ > If a library is released under the GPL (not the LGPL), does that mean that > any software which uses it has to be under the GPL or a GPL-compatible > license? > > Yes, because the software as it is actually run includes the library. > ~ > > is this a show-stopper for porting of the XS into a proprietary > environment? > > p.s. I would be happy if it was. > > > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Bryan Jurish < > moocow.bov...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> moin Marco, >> >> sounds like a case for the "system library exception" to me; see here: >> >> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs >> >> ... my take is that for a (Pd|Max|...) patch, the dataflow interpreter >> (Pd, Max, or what have you) represents the required "system library" for >> use of that patch, so the copyleft doesn't kick in. If you're the >> copyright holder, you can also always add explicit "linking exceptions" >> to GPL'd code, but I think that shouldn't be necessary in this case, >> since interpreter (Pd|Max|...) and program code (patch) are cleanly >> separated. >> >> marmosets, >>Bryan >> >> On 2012-03-14 13:48, Marco Donnarumma wrote: >> > hey folks, >> > >> > I'm not going to port anything to Max, but someone expressed interest in >> > porting the Xth Sense in Max. >> > >> > Now, apart from my personal view about this, which is a diplomatic "I'd >> > rather not, thanks. Port the patch you need to Pd instead". >> > >> > what are the license issues here? >> > The XS framework in Pd will be GPL. >> > Can a Max software be GPL? What about copyleft then? >> > >> > I found this but it's not clear. and I thought there could not be GPL >> > software written in Max because the interpreter is closed-source. >> > http://www.cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=1139 >> > >> > and this is nothing new but good and clear resource: >> > http://www.blogherald.com/2009/07/07/the-basics-of-the-gpl/ >> > >> > thoughts, previous cases? >> >> >> -- >> Bryan Jurish "There is *always* one more bug." >> moocow.bov...@gmail.com -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology >> >> >> > > > -- > Marco Donnarumma > New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. > ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) > The University of Edinburgh, UK > ~ > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | > http://www.flxer.net > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] porting a Pd patch to Max license issues
thanks for the hint Bryan, that might apply. In this case, porting the code to Max or Max4Live is not legal, unless I specify an additional exception for it, is it correct? so now, to make it spicier, I found this FAQ: ~ If a library is released under the GPL (not the LGPL), does that mean that any software which uses it has to be under the GPL or a GPL-compatible license? Yes, because the software as it is actually run includes the library. ~ is this a show-stopper for porting of the XS into a proprietary environment? On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Bryan Jurish wrote: > moin Marco, > > sounds like a case for the "system library exception" to me; see here: > > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs > > ... my take is that for a (Pd|Max|...) patch, the dataflow interpreter > (Pd, Max, or what have you) represents the required "system library" for > use of that patch, so the copyleft doesn't kick in. If you're the > copyright holder, you can also always add explicit "linking exceptions" > to GPL'd code, but I think that shouldn't be necessary in this case, > since interpreter (Pd|Max|...) and program code (patch) are cleanly > separated. > > marmosets, >Bryan > > On 2012-03-14 13:48, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > > hey folks, > > > > I'm not going to port anything to Max, but someone expressed interest in > > porting the Xth Sense in Max. > > > > Now, apart from my personal view about this, which is a diplomatic "I'd > > rather not, thanks. Port the patch you need to Pd instead". > > > > what are the license issues here? > > The XS framework in Pd will be GPL. > > Can a Max software be GPL? What about copyleft then? > > > > I found this but it's not clear. and I thought there could not be GPL > > software written in Max because the interpreter is closed-source. > > http://www.cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=1139 > > > > and this is nothing new but good and clear resource: > > http://www.blogherald.com/2009/07/07/the-basics-of-the-gpl/ > > > > thoughts, previous cases? > > > -- > Bryan Jurish "There is *always* one more bug." > moocow.bov...@gmail.com -Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology > > > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] porting a Pd patch to Max license issues
hey folks, I'm not going to port anything to Max, but someone expressed interest in porting the Xth Sense in Max. Now, apart from my personal view about this, which is a diplomatic "I'd rather not, thanks. Port the patch you need to Pd instead". what are the license issues here? The XS framework in Pd will be GPL. Can a Max software be GPL? What about copyleft then? I found this but it's not clear. and I thought there could not be GPL software written in Max because the interpreter is closed-source. http://www.cycling74.com/forums/topic.php?id=1139 and this is nothing new but good and clear resource: http://www.blogherald.com/2009/07/07/the-basics-of-the-gpl/ thoughts, previous cases? thanks, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mrpeach routeOSC behaves differently then its previous release?
Great, thanks for the clear and concise explanation. I thought I must have been wrong :) M > - was I doing something wrong before? >> > > I think so. [routeOSC] expects messages whose selector is an OSC path. If > it worked before with list selector it was by accident, because routeOSC > used to have a list method but now there is an anything method. > > > - is this a new feature? >> > > I suppose it must be new that it ignores lists, but it's not really a > feature. > > > - should [routeOSC] tell me something if it can't parse the message? >> > > It tells you if the path is not a valid OSC path (no slash) only if you > send it a [verbosity 1( message. > > Martin > > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] mrpeach routeOSC behaves differently then its previous release?
hello folks, apparently [routeOSC] behaves differently between 42.5 and 43.1 releases (I'm aware mrpeach has been updated in between). I have sliders sending out messages as [list /bla/1/blabli 0.437( with Pd-extended 0.42.5 and the related "older" mrpeach lib, I used to route these messages with [routeOSC /bla] I gave it a try with the 0.43.1 and the "new" mrpeach lib, but now I need to do [route list] | [routeOSC /bla] If the [route list] is omitted, [routeOSC] won't output anything, and it does not complain. it's really a minor fix for the patch, but I'm a bit confused: - was I doing something wrong before? - is this a new feature? - should [routeOSC] tell me something if it can't parse the message? thanks in advance, -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Am I in time to propose the Xth Sense lib to be included in Pd-ext?
> > "marcodsad-Xth-Sense-lib-5299660" seems to be like a github generated > directory name, which you cannot do much about. > i guess the best approach is to properly tag the release at github, then > download the zip extract it, rename the root-folder re-zip it with the > new name and upload it to e.g. puredata.info/downloads > > github#s download-tagged-versions feature is great but i don't think it > is targeted at the super lay audience which you seem to be talking about... > > Yep, that's probably the best idea. Simple and clean. btw, there is no way to change that automatic github name, isn't it? M > > mtf > IOhannes > -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
