Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-14 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hi, On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 09:40:35PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: yeah, I always thought that trigger should show the flow with a little line drawing. As practically every object in Pd goes right to left, we'd need a lot of arrows. :) Btw. because of that I think, it's good

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-13 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011, Ludwig Maes wrote: Here in belgium, in dutch, we also say other right/left, but since french is one of our languages, that could be the origin, on the other hand I dont really believe its language related: I talked about my language because I can't speak about the others.

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-10 Thread Ludwig Maes
Here in belgium, in dutch, we also say other right/left, but since french is one of our languages, that could be the origin, on the other hand I dont really believe its language related: from inside a head your left eye is not the same as from outside the head (like face culling in OpenGL,...).

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread Derek Holzer
Perhaps the wording of that section should more clearly state that creation order cannot be relied on, rather than inferring that one can use it as a proper way of patching. I would be very happy if someone wanted to have a look at that chapter and clarify things. Best! Derek On 2/9/11 8:52

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread Frank Barknecht
On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 08:52:50AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Again, left-alignement helps thinking about and reading patches. See the subpatch for a solution without pipe - and without triggers as well. [trigger] is important, but only when objects don't have enough outlets themselves.

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread Theron Trowbridge
Thanks, everyone! The re-ordering of elements in the message so that they go in the desired order makes total sense. So does the the [ * 2 ] and [ + ] objects. Works nicely and is much cleaner than what I had before. (Attached, but it looks basically like all the suggestions.) Next question -

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread Phil Stone
Happens to me all the time -- I have to point when I'm a passenger giving directions to a driver -- I usually say the wrong one first. I thought it was because I'm left-handed (or slightly brain-damaged). Phil On 2/9/11 1:16 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: On Wed, Feb 09, 2011 at 08:52:50AM

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread András Murányi
I had a friend who time to time had to call people on the phone and have them explain where is right and where is left, and then she soon forgot it again. It's not a brain damage, but a neurological thing. I suggest that [trigger] help feature an image of an arrow (---) to reinforce the idea of

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011, András Murányi wrote: It's not a brain damage, but a neurological thing. But brain damage *is* a neurological thing :} But the phenomenon of confusing left and right is so common, that in Québec, we routinely call «gauche» «l'autre droite» (left is also known as the

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
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Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
It#39;s not inferred-- it#39;s stated directly as point #2 on the Order of Operations part, then reiterated: The application of these concepts appears frequently in Pd code. Plus there#39;s a whole section devoted to connection order that reads like a how to guide for patching by depending on

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread Tyler Leavitt
, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Those jokes exist in English, too. -- * From: * Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca; * To: * András Murányi muran...@gmail.com; * Cc: * pd-list@iem.at; * Subject: * Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack * Sent: * Wed, Feb 9

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-09 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
yeah, I always thought that trigger should show the flow with a little line drawing. .hc On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:03 PM, András Murányi wrote: I had a friend who time to time had to call people on the phone and have them explain where is right and where is left, and then she soon forgot

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-08 Thread Theron Trowbridge
That worked very nicely. I had to change the until input to 4 to get it to do the right number of iterations, since the input didn't also kick off the loop, but that's fine. I'm not sure I understand exactly what was going on before, but I now have a [trigger] object that does the [tabread]

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-08 Thread Matt Barber
Check below: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Theron Trowbridge theron.trowbri...@gmail.com wrote: That worked very nicely.  I had to change the until input to 4 to get it to do the right number of iterations, since the input didn't also kick off the loop, but that's fine. Good -- this looks

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-08 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hi, On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 07:55:20PM -0800, Theron Trowbridge wrote: That worked very nicely. I had to change the until input to 4 to get it to do the right number of iterations, since the input didn't also kick off the loop, but that's fine. Btw: IMO it really helps to lay out your

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-04 Thread Matt Barber
Hello, Before you go any further in Pd, you should check out the [trigger] object. It's the single most important object in Pd, in my opinion - it will help you get the timing right in these kinds of situations. Trigger forces hot-cold things to happen in the correct order explicitly -- without

Re: [PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-04 Thread Theron Trowbridge
Thanks! I used [pipe] because I had an obvious timing problem and that was an explicit delay object. Didn't occur to me that [trigger] could control the timing as well. It's use wasn't obvious to me from what I had read about it. I will make the adjustments you suggest and see where I get. I

[PD] Need Help Understanding pack

2011-02-03 Thread Theron Trowbridge
I've looked over the help patches, the FLOSS manual, and at a number of examples, but I'm clearly missing something. I'm trying to build a proof-of-concept state table for a grid sequencer. I figured out to use an array to store my states, and I can write to and read from the table, except when