I have everything working here, no problems, thanks
parabéns. I never said it was impossible to do it.
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From: ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!
To: Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com
Cc: Pd List pd-list@iem.at
Date: Friday, September 17, 2010, 5:45
I'd like to know more about how you switch people over in your
workshops. Do you have them run GNU/linux on a live cd/dvd? Or
is part of the workshop devoted to installing a free OS on their
laptops?
-Jonathan
ola,
of course, we install it on their hard-disk,
and even ( more than
3 full time people, plus the help of online pages in the internet, and
lots of hours going around forums and chats. and in the end the bulb
still doesn't work because it can't compile, or one of the libraries is
too old/too new, or the software is allergic to the hardware, or
something
João Pais wrote:
3 full time people, plus the help of online pages in the internet,
and lots of hours going around forums and chats. and in the end the
bulb still doesn't work because it can't compile, or one of the
libraries is too old/too new, or the software is allergic to the
hardware, or
then I have the perfect linux system - just installed ubuntu 10.04 two
days ago, and at this release the trackpoint in my thinkpad r51 still
doesn't work out of the box.
use an external mouse,
you'll get less wrist injury
so the answer to the question is run away and avoid the problem.
I have everything working here, no problems, thanks
2010/9/18 João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com:
then I have the perfect linux system - just installed ubuntu 10.04 two
days ago, and at this release the trackpoint in my thinkpad r51 still
doesn't work out of the box.
use an external mouse,
well, i compiled pd 0.43 using your autogen, eventually make install put pd
in /usr/local/bin
so I made a link to /usr/local/bin/pd
trying again pd~ with pd-ext gives no reaction, but the shell complains:
Error in startup script: couldn't read file /usr/lib/tcl//pd-gui.tcl: no
such file or
hello,
i used pd 0.43 a lot for 1 bussy week.
i had 3 or 4 unexpected and unreproducible crash.
so i'm back to the last stable release : 0.43 test 2 is not ready for
production use.
(so i can't test this hack)
Cyrille
Le 17/09/2010 16:20, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
Could you try
Pd-extended is the GUI and pdextended is Pd itself. pd/pdextended
will use 15% of the CPU because it polls the audio when idle. So its
kind of like reserving 15% of the CPU for its use. You can make it
reserve basically all the CPU if you use the -nosleep option.
If you want to reduce
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd-extended is the GUI and pdextended is Pd itself. pd/pdextended will
use 15% of the CPU because it polls the audio when idle. So its kind of
like reserving 15% of the CPU for its use.
Isn't that a bug ? If you turn the dsp on and off
this 15-20% cpu always made me wonder that the mac implementation was
not as good as the linux one
since supercollider with dsp on is like 0%
2010/9/18 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd-extended is the GUI and pdextended is Pd itself.
Well I'd rather have them , the lame windows users, download Pd than a
30-day resetter of MSP. Plsu the day they switch to Linux, they won't
have to redesign their patches from the scratch and contribute back to
the community earlier on...
++OH
Le 17/09/2010 07:38, ydego...@gmail.com a écrit :
I use pd on both systems. Although I only have linux on my computers,
there's some windows machines at the research center, all with pd on them :)
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Olivier Heinry oliv...@heinry.fr wrote:
Well I'd rather have them , the lame windows users, download Pd than a
Just stop losing energy with Windows. Better concentrate our limited
resources
Linux is better for audio anyway, and it's so easy to use/install/try
these days.
2010/9/16 ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com:
ola,
The Windows package is still the most downloaded.
so what? that's where
Another lame windows (7 and xp) pd user here. Using pd on macosx at university.
I'm really glad and thankful that pd for windows exists.
Libero
Well I'd rather have them , the lame windows users, download Pd than a
30-day resetter of MSP. Plsu the day they switch to Linux, they won't
have to
Maybe i'm short of rationality, (and i may sound weird, please don't
misunderstand) but for me it's like a race issue... we shall not
discriminate windows users, because most of them were born into windows.
It's not like you buy your first computer and the vendor asks you which OS
please?, and you
BTW SuperCollider did not released the 3.4 verion for Windows. Widows
is just crappy for audio.
That means more bugs and more issues to fix. more work for developers etc.
The situation is that anyone can put a puredyne live-cd and work with
pd/supercollider/whatever on any computer on earth.
I think it is great that PD is multi platform = more users for PD ;)
2010/9/17 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com
BTW SuperCollider did not released the 3.4 verion for Windows. Widows
is just crappy for audio.
That means more bugs and more issues to fix. more work for developers etc.
On Sep 17, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 06:57:39PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:
If Pd-extended 0.42.5 also looks at /usr/lib/pd, then someone could
install Gem 0.93 there and Pd-extended would use it.
Doesn't Pd-extended also look somewhere
Definitely! I'd much rather demonstrate the benefits of free
software, whether its on GNU/Linux or Windows, than beat people into
submitting to free software whether they like it or not. When people
make the choice themselves, then they are much more likely to stick
with it, and then
just to tell my life ,
switching slowly from windows to ubuntu for pd here .
slowly because it's a new system,
that is making me try things i regret later.
(my latest problem is logs filling my hard drive.i mean completely...)
but i prefer to have the choice
Free Software shouldn't impose a way
Yes, I see the point. But maybe it's not all about the number of users, is it?
Better quality software is more appealing then more people using it...
BTW, Microsoft is not that tolerant with other operating systems...
Brazilian Government switched to free software a few years ago and
they got
Could you try adding a symlink and see if it works:
cd /usr/lib/pd-extended
sudo ln -s /usr/lib/pd
.hc
On Sep 17, 2010, at 6:41 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
sorry for late reply, but it's a busy time.
However I tested again with pd-ex 42.5 rc6 compiled on Jaunty and I
get the same
Konichiwa,
Windows in itself is very crappy, it's not really about multimedia,
almost everything isn't good on this platform,
maintaining a list of crappy things on windows would just be a waste of time.
Just stop removing fresh air from windows users when they can find in it
applications
a 3,000$ MAC they use to check email.
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From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of patko
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 10:40 AM
To: Bernardo Barros
Cc: pd-list
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released
ola,
And no one can truly deny that many things still work better on Windows (like
video games).
this is absolutely a non-argument ( or tautology )
as the programs developped for windows
work better in windows yes... and viruses too...
there is no such thing as 'people born in windows',
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, patko wrote:
(please don't read this serioulsy)
Hahaha ! Hey, I have one :
Q: how many Windows users does it take to screw a light bulb ?
A: None : Windows can very well screw anything on its own !
(intraduisible)
Windows7_Error: 001 Windows 7 loaded - Warning your computer is now in danger
2010/9/17 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca:
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, patko wrote:
(please don't read this serioulsy)
Hahaha ! Hey, I have one :
Q: how many Windows users does it take to screw a light bulb ?
A:
Can we move the Windows bashing to another list? I'm sure there are
much better venues. I'd much prefer it if we were friendly to Pd/
Windows users rather than try to make them feel stupid.
.hc
On Sep 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote:
Windows7_Error: 001 Windows 7 loaded -
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Can we move the Windows bashing to another list? I'm sure there are
much better venues. I'd much prefer it if we were friendly to
Pd/Windows users rather than try to make them feel stupid.
Hey, I'm not bashing Windows users, I'm only
Hi, I' m not a PD advanced user but here is my story:
I think the dilemma is Do we need more users for PD (and make it work
perfectly in Windows too) or we need to aim the PD development for Linux/
Mac users (and don't waste our limited resources)?
*Well , I have seen on youtube etc people using
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 14:42 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Can we move the Windows bashing to another list? I'm sure there are
much better venues. I'd much prefer it if we were friendly to Pd/
Windows users rather than try to make them feel stupid.
Aren't we all a bit windows users?
On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 14:42 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Can we move the Windows bashing to another list? I'm sure there are
much better venues. I'd much prefer it if we were friendly to Pd/
Windows users rather than try to make them
September, 2010 21:42:16
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!
On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 14:42 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Can we move the Windows bashing to another list? I'm sure there are
much better venues
how many linux users does it take to screw in a light bulb?
3 full time people, plus the help of online pages in the internet, and
lots of hours going around forums and chats. and in the end the bulb still
doesn't work because it can't compile, or one of the libraries is too
old/too new,
Done it and no luck.
error: pd~: No such file or directory
I noticed this in the shell
sh: /usr/lib/pd-extended/pd: Permission denied
Besides, I just compiled pd 0.43 test3 and pd~ does work there.
Could the reason be a messed up dev layout of my system?
M
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:20
,
but (hopefully) there is something more behind it...
call it ideology, modesty, rationality, belief,...
M
Message: 5
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 00:13:30 +0200
From: Jo?o Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!
To: Mathieu Bouchard ma
Doh, that's because I messed up, it should be this:
cd /usr/lib/pd-extended
sudo rm /usr/lib/pd-extended/pd
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/pd
.hc
On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
Done it and no luck.
error: pd~: No such file or directory
I noticed this in the shell
sh:
João Pais wrote:
how many linux users does it take to screw in a light bulb?
3 full time people, plus the help of online pages in the internet, and
lots of hours going around forums and chats. and in the end the bulb
still doesn't work because it can't compile, or one of the libraries
is too
Regardless, it's off-topic. :-/
—t3db0t
On Sep 17, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Hey, I'm not bashing Windows users, I'm only bashing Windows.
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On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:57 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
When people use Pd-extended 0.42.5, they expect that certain libraries
will be there, and they will be a certain version. For example
Pd-extended 0.42.5 includes Gem 0.92.3. So you can say my patch works
with Pd-extended 0.42.5
September, 2010 8:22:18
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:57 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
When people use Pd-extended 0.42.5, they expect that certain libraries
will be there, and they will be a certain version. For example
Pd
On Sep 16, 2010, at 3:22 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:57 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
When people use Pd-extended 0.42.5, they expect that certain
libraries
will be there, and they will be a certain version. For example
Pd-extended 0.42.5 includes Gem 0.92.3.
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 09:58 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Sep 16, 2010, at 3:22 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:57 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
When people use Pd-extended 0.42.5, they expect that certain
libraries
will be there, and they will be a
On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 09:58 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Sep 16, 2010, at 3:22 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:57 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
When people use Pd-extended 0.42.5, they expect that
Ok, with a couple of minor changes from rc6, the release is up! Now I
just to sort out the details and write up the announcement.
http://puredata.info/downloads
.hc
[T]he greatest purveyor of violence in the
Yea! Go Hans, go Hans.
On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, with a couple of minor changes from rc6, the release is up! Now I just
to sort out the details and write up the announcement.
http://puredata.info/downloads
.hc
Dan Wilcox
danomatika.com
Thanks! I always forget that it takes me a full day to iron out all
the details of posting a release... almost done.
.hc
On Sep 16, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:
Yea! Go Hans, go Hans.
On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Ok, with a couple of minor
ola,
The Windows package is still the most downloaded.
so what? that's where the big illusion stands ( having more customers? )
do you expect any of these to be great creators???
we'll see hey
sevy
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Hoho, throwing down the gauntlet as usual. :D
On Sep 16, 2010, at 10:24 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
The Windows package is still the most downloaded.
so what? that's where the big illusion stands ( having more customers? )
do you expect any of these to be great creators???
it's just being realistic
how many windows users will really use pd?
or just make a lame download?
Dan Wilcox wrote:
Hoho, throwing down the gauntlet as usual. :D
On Sep 16, 2010, at 10:24 PM, ydego...@gmail.com
mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
ola,
The Windows package is still the most
Hi,
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 06:57:39PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
If Pd-extended 0.42.5 also looks at /usr/lib/pd, then someone could
install Gem 0.93 there and Pd-extended would use it.
Doesn't Pd-extended also look somewhere in $HOME? What if a user
installs Gem there?
Ciao
--
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 19:45 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd-extended 0.42.5 is done, so it'll stay as is.
Ok. Since you called, I thought I'd report what I think needs to be
fixed.
Pd-extended 0.43
will work with /usr/lib/pd. For 0.43, only libs that require Pd-
extended will be
Its never possible to fix all known bugs in a given release. The
combination of the big single package that Pd-extended currently is
with the single packages for each library in /usr/lib/pd makes for a
very complicated situation. So its much less work to just wait for
went Pd-extended
On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 09:13 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Its never possible to fix all known bugs in a given release.
Yeah, I understand. I was assuming that it is only about adding another
entry to /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.pdextended . If it is really that
simple I don't see a
When people use Pd-extended 0.42.5, they expect that certain libraries
will be there, and they will be a certain version. For example
Pd-extended 0.42.5 includes Gem 0.92.3. So you can say my patch works
with Pd-extended 0.42.5 and it'll work with any installation of
Pd-extended 0.42.5
If
Hi Hans
As there seems to be some agreement now on the debian pkg-multimedia
mailing list, that pd-lib packages are installed to /usr/lib/pd, I'd
propose to add /usr/lib/pd/extra/ to the hard-coded search pathes of
this release. OTOH, /usr/local/lib/pd-externals was never really used
and - I
Pd-extended 0.42.5 is designed to be installed at the same time as the
packages that are in Debian and the ones that we are adding to
Debian. That means that it installs all its libs into /usr/lib/
pdextended and ignores /usr/lib/pd.
The next step for Debian packaging for Pd-extended is
one package for each lib would be the right way to go, I think.
2010/9/14 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at:
Pd-extended 0.42.5 is designed to be installed at the same time as the
packages that are in Debian and the ones that we are adding to Debian. That
means that it installs all its
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 16:38 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
That means that it installs all its libs into /usr/lib/
pdextended
Yeah, makes sense also to me.
and ignores /usr/lib/pd.
Why?
You seem to ignore the fact, that there are pd-libs around in the wild,
that are _not_ part of
Pd-extended 0.42.5 is done, so it'll stay as is. Pd-extended 0.43
will work with /usr/lib/pd. For 0.43, only libs that require Pd-
extended will be installed into /usr/lib/pdextended.
.hc
On Sep 14, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Tue, 2010-09-14 at 16:38 -0400,
It's already fixed. Please use the patch tracker !
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3064521group_id=55736atid=478072
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I included it in
Final call for testing! I am ready to release this build unless
someone finds a showstopper bug soon!
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2010-09-13/
.hc
On Sep 10, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
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Ok, fixed the show
It's already fixed. Please use the patch tracker !
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3064521group_id=55736atid=478072
yay!
this was an old thing, but I think I never got the change to scavenge my
patch to make a bug report.
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a couple of my abstractions aren't packaged with this distribution, e.g.
bezier.pd (it's in
https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/jmmmp/).
Yes, once the release process has started, then Pd-extended is built out
of a branch in SVN and not trunk. You can
On Sep 12, 2010, at 4:14 AM, João Pais wrote:
a couple of my abstractions aren't packaged with this
distribution, e.g.
bezier.pd (it's in
https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/jmmmp/)
.
Yes, once the release process has started, then Pd-extended is
On Sep 11, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Please file a bug report with that patch. It exists in pd-vanilla
0.42-5 and 0.43 too, so it'll probably have to wait for 0.43 to be
fixed.
It's already fixed. Please use the patch
hi,
a couple of my abstractions aren't packaged with this distribution, e.g.
bezier.pd (it's in
https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/jmmmp/).
also, an old gop bug with canvas labels is still there. the file attached
should explain it well enough.
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote:
also, an old gop bug with canvas labels is still there. the file
attached should explain it well enough.
it also applies to every other IEMGUI, that is [bng], [tgl], [nbx], [hsl],
[vsl], [hradio], [vradio], and [vu].
Btw 'canvas' is already the name of
On Sat, 2010-09-11 at 22:30 +0200, João Pais wrote:
hi,
a couple of my abstractions aren't packaged with this distribution, e.g.
bezier.pd (it's in
https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/abstractions/jmmmp/).
Yes, once the release process has started, then
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Please file a bug report with that patch. It exists in pd-vanilla
0.42-5 and 0.43 too, so it'll probably have to wait for 0.43 to be
fixed.
It's already fixed. Please use the patch tracker !
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Ok, fixed the show stopper bug, so I think this really is the one!
Unless someone finds a critical bug, this version will be the final
release. That means test all of your patches, especially GOP GUIs.
We've fixed a number of bugs related to
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