Re: [PD] nogui, no signal
Based on this conversation, and in a completely unscientific way, I would say maybe [block~] or [switch~] might cause problems, and places where those are might need a [netreceive] to initialize audio. But I am guessing. This seems like a very deeply embedded problem in Pd, and was enough for me to disregard -nogui as completely broken. YMMV. D. On 3/20/10 12:09 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi Derek, I added on your name to search keys in the archive, and came across your old posts. Others facing the same problem, but no specific reasoning nor solution... I will dig in to my patch and hopefully will have follow ups soon... -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 174: Water ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nogui, no signal
Hi Derek, At the moment, I have neither [block~] nor [switch]~. I'm already looking forward to inventing my own voodoo to share. -- David Shimamoto (2010/03/20 18:07), Derek Holzer wrote: Based on this conversation, and in a completely unscientific way, I would say maybe [block~] or [switch~] might cause problems, and places where those are might need a [netreceive] to initialize audio. But I am guessing. This seems like a very deeply embedded problem in Pd, and was enough for me to disregard -nogui as completely broken. YMMV. D. On 3/20/10 12:09 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi Derek, I added on your name to search keys in the archive, and came across your old posts. Others facing the same problem, but no specific reasoning nor solution... I will dig in to my patch and hopefully will have follow ups soon... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nogui, no signal
[send~]? [receive~]? All of these things have nothing to do with the GUI. Definitely voodoo! Graphical bangs? Number boxes? Sliders or other GUI elements? Maybe if these were in-line inside your patches they would stop working as well D. On 3/20/10 12:16 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hi Derek, At the moment, I have neither [block~] nor [switch]~. I'm already looking forward to inventing my own voodoo to share. -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 53: Do something boring ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nogui, no signal
Hi, I did some very huge and complex patches in the past with lots of [switch~]es (no [block~] though) and I used -nogui regularly, and never came across any problem. I guess this is not enough to completely discard [switch~] as the source of the problem but it does give a clue that the problem is probably somewhere else... I had no gop-enabled abstraction or subpatch however in those patches I used with -nogui Btw I don't understand the [netreceive] workaround... ¿? -- Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nogui, no signal
Unfortunately, there seem to be many that respond different to -nogui. I recall posting on this a few years back. One previously suggested workaround is to put a [netsend] and [netreceive] pair in your patch. Check the archives for more details. D. Quoting PSPunch sh...@pspunch.com: I have an audio patch in progress. In short, it takes an input, splits the signal in several paths, then all paths meet again at [dac~]... In brief, it is a guitar effector. While this patch works fine when launching Pd from shell with GUI, such as $ pd filename.pd Not all signal paths seem to work when launching with the nogui option. $ pd -nogui filename.pd I get some sound out of it, so it appears only part of all signal paths are blocked. The patch is of reasonable size and difficult to trace, therefore prior to dissecting it I would like to ask... Are there any specific objects or logics known to behave differently under no-gui ? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nogui, no signal
The way I remember it, anything to do with tables or other allocated memory can break with -nogui. [tabwrite~], [tabread~], [delwrite~], [delread~], [vd~] etc etc D. Quoting PSPunch sh...@pspunch.com: Are there any specific objects or logics known to behave differently under no-gui ? -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 168: Use fewer notes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nogui, no signal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Derek Holzer wrote: The way I remember it, anything to do with tables or other allocated memory can break with -nogui. [tabwrite~], [tabread~], [delwrite~], [delread~], [vd~] etc etc now this is something completely new to me and it does sound like voodoo. all of the object mentioned above have nothing to do with gui and should therefore not be affected by anything related to nogui. there are known problems initializing the sound system in nogui-mode. fgmasd IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkujkPAACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvT+PQCg1VLuaP99Rt9PXnzIHJ36nylm qrwAoJnr6dPhFK6CxYE1/EV40I+YXW2v =n4ut -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nogui, no signal
Well, I do recall having some very not-working comb filters in a -nogui patch, where other things did work. This was some years ago. Would a [block] object suffer from this initialization problem? That might explain it. I have no idea where those patches went to, they were from 2005 or something, so I have no way to verify this now... D. On 3/19/10 3:57 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Derek Holzer wrote: The way I remember it, anything to do with tables or other allocated memory can break with -nogui. [tabwrite~], [tabread~], [delwrite~], [delread~], [vd~] etc etc now this is something completely new to me and it does sound like voodoo. all of the object mentioned above have nothing to do with gui and should therefore not be affected by anything related to nogui. there are known problems initializing the sound system in nogui-mode. -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 119: Mechanicalize something idiosyncratic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nogui, no signal
Hi Derek, I added on your name to search keys in the archive, and came across your old posts. Others facing the same problem, but no specific reasoning nor solution... I will dig in to my patch and hopefully will have follow ups soon... -- David Shimamoto Well, I do recall having some very not-working comb filters in a -nogui patch, where other things did work. This was some years ago. Would a [block] object suffer from this initialization problem? That might explain it. I have no idea where those patches went to, they were from 2005 or something, so I have no way to verify this now... D. On 3/19/10 3:57 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Derek Holzer wrote: The way I remember it, anything to do with tables or other allocated memory can break with -nogui. [tabwrite~], [tabread~], [delwrite~], [delread~], [vd~] etc etc now this is something completely new to me and it does sound like voodoo. all of the object mentioned above have nothing to do with gui and should therefore not be affected by anything related to nogui. there are known problems initializing the sound system in nogui-mode. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] nogui, no signal
I have an audio patch in progress. In short, it takes an input, splits the signal in several paths, then all paths meet again at [dac~]... In brief, it is a guitar effector. While this patch works fine when launching Pd from shell with GUI, such as $ pd filename.pd Not all signal paths seem to work when launching with the nogui option. $ pd -nogui filename.pd I get some sound out of it, so it appears only part of all signal paths are blocked. The patch is of reasonable size and difficult to trace, therefore prior to dissecting it I would like to ask... Are there any specific objects or logics known to behave differently under no-gui ? -- David Shimamoto ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
