Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder

Aliases are needed one way or another, cause you can only browse to a folder, when you're adding a path to Pd's preferences... This is not an issue in windows (not sure about linux...) and I think is easier to hit a shortcut that goes to ~/Library ;) (command + shift + go) cheers 2017-04-07

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder

>> 1) the folder is not created for you, you have to pre create it (requiring previous knowledge if deken isn't going to automate this on osx maybe just simple copy and paste in a terminal (or?) for new users: $ mkdir ~/Library/Pd && mkdir ~/Documents/Pd && ln -s ~/Library/Pd

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder

> On Apr 6, 2017, at 9:22 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote: > > i think the processing analogy also only takes the being-worked-on > documents into account, rather than reusable libraries. Nope, reusable libraries are stored in ~/Documents/Processing/libraries. Same for Arduino. This is

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder

2017-04-06 15:36 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres : > We don't have such a user friendly manager like that with deken (far from > it) > been saying it before, but in any case, by that, I mean: 1) the folder is not created for you, you have to pre create it (requiring previous

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder

I can add, again, the example that Max uses ~/Documents for installing plug-in externals and stuff. just saying... Yeah, some softwares will use ~/Library, but not like we're using, that is a "Pd" folder in ~/Library, but choose ~/Library/Application Support/SoftwareName instead. Moreover,

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder

yeah this might be apple "conceptual" method but it seems in practice applications (lately?) are preferring to use ~/Documents as the catchall for libs,user created docs, examples, etc. so processing, for example, in ~/Documents has folders: examples libraries modes templates tools similar for

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder

all by opening the panel. Just my two cents. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 06. April 2017 um 17:22 Uhr > Von: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoel...@iem.at> > An: pd-list@lists.iem.at > Betreff: Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder > > On 2017-04-06

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder

On 2017-04-06 06:20, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > A parallel discussion in this thread is that the system folders change in > MacOS, since ~/Library/Pd is an unusual and inconvenient place for that (an > example is processing using ~/Documents instead) i think ~/Documents is for user-created

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

> On Mar 18, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > 2017-02-18 3:03 GMT-02:00 Dan Wilcox >: > Maybe a good example would be the Processing preferences dialog: >

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

> > I saw no discussion or resistance to the idea of that folder being created > for the user. In fact I saw Roman asking something this: > > > I believe yet all have agreed to ~/.local/lib/pd/extra as the default > install path (and most recent Deken uses it). > > There was some concerns about

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

So, I'm making a list of things that would improve the experience. - Decide on possible better standard user/global folders for Mac (maybe windows too?) like it was done for linux. - Have the Pd install create those folders for you. - Deken can then suggest the user folder in the first time

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

> anyway was this not all discussed and decided upon in pdx dev days? I think it was ~/pd-externals, at least that’s what I still use. I agree that something in the ~/Documents would be more standard than anything in ~/Library as that has been a hidden folder in Finder since OS X 10.7 or so

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

>> So I'm now leaning on actually disregarding ~/Library as a good choice for creating and using as an external destination... +1 on this... i just had a classroom of students navigate to ~/Library and create ~/Library/Pd its quite a pain to teach some of these basic skills. for some

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

Oh, and it's not like Pd doesn't already write stuff in "~/Library", it actually does create files in "~/Library/preferences", so it's not like it's a sacred ground it can't touch... I'm still yet to understand what is the issue of Pd creating a folder in here... Though I can agree it is a rather

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

2017-03-04 15:54 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli : > > I really can't share your notion that things are complex from a user > perspective. You can use Deken out of the box now. Yes, with the new feature you can, and you couldn't before! My point is not that it won't work, but that

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

On Sam, 2017-03-04 at 13:09 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > 2017-03-04 13:00 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres > : > > the whole discussion here seemed to be the need to create that > > folder automatically, to make things easier for the user. > > > I dont know if it's

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

2017-03-04 13:32 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres : > > > Such folders would be the application, user and global, for each system, > of course. If you wanna download somewhere else, a 4th option could be > "other", which opens the savemenu dialog. > the same idea could be

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

Oh, please allow to reason that even if the new deken feature, as it'll also remember the last choice and keeps it, it won't ever propose/create that user folder again. That's actually an issue even if it proposes to download to the user folder, no matter what, at first, because if you do not

Re: [PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

2017-03-04 13:00 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres : > the whole discussion here seemed to be the need to create that folder > automatically, to make things easier for the user. > I dont know if it's clear what a complex user experience it is to manage externals in Pd right

[PD] New deken feature, create system user folder (was how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files page (was Re: Linux Global folder for externals)

thought we'd finally change the thread name... for those who are getting there now, this is the discussion about a new deken feature, that would suggest to download to the system user folder and then create it if it's not there. I was testing the new version and it didn't work. 2017-03-04 6:30