Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-10-13 Thread Jesse Mejia 
This is news to me. I thought deken was now the way to install gem regardless 
of platform. I see a LOT of new users attempting this and struggling. I also 
know that people coming from extended are being told they should use deken. Gem 
is often one of the first things extended users try to install via deken. I 
imagine this could be at the root of a lot of people just going straight back 
to extended.

I agree that it really should be removed from deken repos asap if that isn't a 
good way to get it running.


> On Sep 28, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Max  wrote:
> 
>> On 2017년 09월 28일 19:36, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
>>> On 09/28/2017 06:33 PM, Max wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, in theory the gem on deken could be a different (newer) version
>>> then the one coming through the package management, especially if you
>>> are on a release based distribution like ubuntu, mint, etc.
>> so?
>> as the maintainer of Gem i'm pretty well aware of it's dependency chain
>> and as a co-developer of deken i firmly believe that it is not up to
>> handling such things.
> 
> understood.
> 
> that only is true for gem on linux though, because there is no system package 
> management on win/osx.
> Maybe it would be a good idea to make a message appear:
> "Please install Gem via the package manager (apt,yum, etc)" if people search 
> for Gem in deken. So that poor linux beginners don't get too frustrated when 
> they follow some random tutorial by an apple/ms user how to install Pd/Gem.
> 
> my 0.5ct
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Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-09-28 Thread Max 

On 2017년 09월 28일 19:36, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 09/28/2017 06:33 PM, Max wrote:


Well, in theory the gem on deken could be a different (newer) version
then the one coming through the package management, especially if you
are on a release based distribution like ubuntu, mint, etc.


so?

as the maintainer of Gem i'm pretty well aware of it's dependency chain
and as a co-developer of deken i firmly believe that it is not up to
handling such things.


understood.

that only is true for gem on linux though, because there is no system 
package management on win/osx.

Maybe it would be a good idea to make a message appear:
"Please install Gem via the package manager (apt,yum, etc)" if people 
search for Gem in deken. So that poor linux beginners don't get too 
frustrated when they follow some random tutorial by an apple/ms user how 
to install Pd/Gem.


my 0.5ct

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Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-09-28 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig 
On 09/28/2017 06:33 PM, Max wrote:
> 
> Well, in theory the gem on deken could be a different (newer) version
> then the one coming through the package management, especially if you
> are on a release based distribution like ubuntu, mint, etc.

so?

as the maintainer of Gem i'm pretty well aware of it's dependency chain
and as a co-developer of deken i firmly believe that it is not up to
handling such things.

gfamrds
IOhannes



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Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-09-28 Thread Max 

On 2017년 09월 28일 08:20, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 09/27/2017 05:47 PM, abel.jer...@free.fr wrote:

On Linux, installing Gem via Deken is not enough, we need installing it with 
"apt-get".


hopefully there is no deken package for Gem on linux.
(i see that it has been uploaded as part of the pdx batch-backport; it
should be removed).


Well, in theory the gem on deken could be a different (newer) version 
then the one coming through the package management, especially if you 
are on a release based distribution like ubuntu, mint, etc.


The reality though it that it's actually an older one in deken:
Gem-v-0.0.extended-(Linux-i386-32(Linux-amd64-64-externals.tar.gz 
Uploaded by ch15m @ 2015-08-07


vs. the one in the repositories:
GEM: ver: 0.93.3
GEM: compiled: Nov 11 2015


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Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-09-27 Thread Jaime Oliver La Rosa 

On 09/27/2017 09:54 AM, Max wrote:


On 2017년 09월 27일 14:45, abel.jer...@free.fr wrote:
After removing gem linux package, 

IOhannes said to me: "Why would you do that?"


well, if you want to compile your own gem externals then you need to 
download and compile the gem source right?


J




If you remove the gem package, you also can't install all the 
gem-plugins that you may want to be managed by apt-get








this error message appears in Pd - verbose mode : "Gem.pd_linux: 
libftgl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"


When I "sudo apt-get install libftgl2", it is ok.

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De: "Antoine Rousseau" <anto...@metalu.net>
À: "Jérôme Abel" <abel.jer...@free.fr>
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Envoyé: Mercredi 27 Septembre 2017 11:17:01
Objet: Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?




I've installed Gem via Deken (find externals), but it was not enough

Please could you provide errors returned by Pd console log 4 (all),
while running '-verbose'?









Antoine Rousseau
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2017-09-27 9:53 GMT+02:00 Jérôme Abel < abel.jer...@free.fr > :


Hi,

On new Ubuntu computers, I've installed Gem via Deken (find
externals), but it was not enough. I need also to install it with
apt-get install gem. Some dependencies seems required, may be opengl
libs ?

Computers (cat /proc/version) : Linux version 4.4.0-81-generic
(buildd@lgw01-02) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu
5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #104-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 14 08:17:06 UTC
2017

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Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-09-27 Thread abel . jerome 

> If you remove the gem package, you also can't install all the  gem-plugins 
> that you may want to be managed by apt-get

That's my question: 
On Linux, installing Gem via Deken is not enough, we need installing it with 
"apt-get".

Goal:
I want to know the installation process in order to compress a Pd project for 
other computers with no need steps of installation. I hope it is possible to 
share Pd projects using Gem with just .zip directory.

Thx
j


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Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-09-27 Thread Max 

On 2017년 09월 27일 14:45, abel.jer...@free.fr wrote:


After removing gem linux package, 


IOhannes said to me: "Why would you do that?"

If you remove the gem package, you also can't install all the 
gem-plugins that you may want to be managed by apt-get








this error message appears in Pd - verbose mode : "Gem.pd_linux: 
libftgl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"


When I "sudo apt-get install libftgl2", it is ok.

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j

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De: "Antoine Rousseau" <anto...@metalu.net>
À: "Jérôme Abel" <abel.jer...@free.fr>
Cc: "Pd-list" <pd-list@lists.iem.at>
Envoyé: Mercredi 27 Septembre 2017 11:17:01
Objet: Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?




I've installed Gem via Deken (find externals), but it was not enough

Please could you provide errors returned by Pd console log 4 (all),
while running '-verbose'?









Antoine Rousseau
http://www.metalu.net __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/



2017-09-27 9:53 GMT+02:00 Jérôme Abel < abel.jer...@free.fr > :


Hi,

On new Ubuntu computers, I've installed Gem via Deken (find
externals), but it was not enough. I need also to install it with
apt-get install gem. Some dependencies seems required, may be opengl
libs ?

Computers (cat /proc/version) : Linux version 4.4.0-81-generic
(buildd@lgw01-02) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu
5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #104-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 14 08:17:06 UTC
2017

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Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-09-27 Thread abel . jerome 

After removing gem linux package, this error message appears in Pd - verbose 
mode : "Gem.pd_linux: libftgl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such 
file or directory"

When I "sudo apt-get install libftgl2", it is ok.

+

j 

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> De: "Antoine Rousseau" <anto...@metalu.net>
> À: "Jérôme Abel" <abel.jer...@free.fr>
> Cc: "Pd-list" <pd-list@lists.iem.at>
> Envoyé: Mercredi 27 Septembre 2017 11:17:01
> Objet: Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've installed Gem via Deken (find externals), but it was not enough
> 
> Please could you provide errors returned by Pd console log 4 (all),
> while running '-verbose'?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Antoine Rousseau
> http://www.metalu.net __ http://www.metaluachahuter.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 2017-09-27 9:53 GMT+02:00 Jérôme Abel < abel.jer...@free.fr > :
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On new Ubuntu computers, I've installed Gem via Deken (find
> externals), but it was not enough. I need also to install it with
> apt-get install gem. Some dependencies seems required, may be opengl
> libs ?
> 
> Computers (cat /proc/version) : Linux version 4.4.0-81-generic
> (buildd@lgw01-02) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu
> 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #104-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 14 08:17:06 UTC
> 2017
> 
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> 
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Re: [PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-09-27 Thread Antoine Rousseau 
>
> I've installed Gem via Deken (find externals), but it was not enough


Please could you provide errors returned by Pd console log 4 (all), while
running '-verbose'?


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2017-09-27 9:53 GMT+02:00 Jérôme Abel :

> Hi,
>
> On new Ubuntu computers, I've installed Gem via Deken (find externals),
> but it was not enough. I need also to install it with apt-get install gem.
> Some dependencies seems required, may be opengl libs ?
>
> Computers (cat /proc/version) : Linux version 4.4.0-81-generic
> (buildd@lgw01-02) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu
> 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #104-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 14 08:17:06 UTC 2017
>
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[PD] Gem on Linux needs apt-get install ?

2017-09-27 Thread Jérôme Abel 

Hi,

On new Ubuntu computers, I've installed Gem via Deken (find externals), 
but it was not enough. I need also to install it with apt-get install 
gem. Some dependencies seems required, may be opengl libs ?


Computers (cat /proc/version) : Linux version 4.4.0-81-generic 
(buildd@lgw01-02) (gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Ubuntu 
5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4) ) #104-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 14 08:17:06 UTC 2017


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