Re: [PD] Multiple audio devices limited to four devices?
Thanks! it's working fine now... I'll try to use a common clock later, but for now it's sufficient like this. I's playing music for over an hour without recognizable dropouts... Ideas how to test for asynchronity (audioble effects?) and how strong they become? I used 0.1 ms bursts of 10kHz sines and also short swept sines. At least there were recognizable effects like distorted localization of sounds. To have a block wise sync I planned to use a microphone and measure roundtrip latency before starting my patches. cheers Martin Miller Puckette wrote: hmm... grep 4 *.c didn't seem to help when I tried it. Anyhow, I found two places that would have to change: in s_stuff.h: #define MAXAUDIOINDEV 4 #define MAXAUDIOOUTDEV 4 and in s_audio_oss.c: #define OSS_MAXDEV 4/* maximum number of input or output devices */ On a somewhat related note, you'l eventually get sync errors between the devices unless you can find a way to hard-sync them. If I were trying it, I'd just phase-lock the crystals by connecting the five (or N) together in parallel. Worst that could happen is I'd have to buy 5 more interfaces :) M On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 04:28:38PM +0200, Martin Schied wrote: Hi! I'm trying to use five (or more) ultra-cheap stereo-USB-speakers together. Four of them are working when starting pd with /usr/bin/pd -rt -oss -audiooutdev 2,3,4,5,6 -outchannels 2,2,2,2,2 multiaudiotest.pd when looking into media, audio-settings dialog, only the first four of them are visible and also only these four are usable for output. this is with Pd version 0.41-4extended, ubuntu-intrepid and also pd 0.42.5. I assume this is a hard coded limit which can be changed - but I don't know where... cheers, Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Multiple audio devices limited to four devices?
Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: On a somewhat related note, you'l eventually get sync errors between the devices unless you can find a way to hard-sync them. If I were trying it, I'd just phase-lock the crystals by connecting the five (or N) together in parallel. Worst that could happen is I'd have to buy 5 more interfaces :) Maybe you could also use JACK with the netjack backend. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Multiple audio devices limited to four devices?
hmm... grep 4 *.c didn't seem to help when I tried it. Anyhow, I found two places that would have to change: in s_stuff.h: #define MAXAUDIOINDEV 4 #define MAXAUDIOOUTDEV 4 and in s_audio_oss.c: #define OSS_MAXDEV 4/* maximum number of input or output devices */ On a somewhat related note, you'l eventually get sync errors between the devices unless you can find a way to hard-sync them. If I were trying it, I'd just phase-lock the crystals by connecting the five (or N) together in parallel. Worst that could happen is I'd have to buy 5 more interfaces :) M On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 04:28:38PM +0200, Martin Schied wrote: Hi! I'm trying to use five (or more) ultra-cheap stereo-USB-speakers together. Four of them are working when starting pd with /usr/bin/pd -rt -oss -audiooutdev 2,3,4,5,6 -outchannels 2,2,2,2,2 multiaudiotest.pd when looking into media, audio-settings dialog, only the first four of them are visible and also only these four are usable for output. this is with Pd version 0.41-4extended, ubuntu-intrepid and also pd 0.42.5. I assume this is a hard coded limit which can be changed - but I don't know where... cheers, Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Multiple Audio Devices
Hi, Thanks for helping with this. I finally got it working, by changing the Octamic to ADAT2 and then defining all the channels from -audioindev 11. Thanks alot for the help. -Mika Quoting marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi mika, have you tried -audioindev 4,7 -inchannels 12? I think you should be able to use different soundcards, but maybe there is no possibility to use 4 from the one and 8 from the other, but rather all channels from both soundcards?? but I don't know about that. maybe -audioindev 4,5,7,8,9,10? on the other hand, if the octamic pre-amp is connected to adat1 can you do -audioindev 1, and -inchannels 36, does that give you all inchannels? marius. Mika Ristimäki wrote: Hi again, I've been searching the list archives even more and I've found several posts that say that this can be done and that the instructions can be found from the archives. However I haven't been able to find any instructions. =) So any ideas how to do it in Windows XP? Sorry for nagging, but I really like using Pd, but if there is not support for my hardware I might have to change the software. -Mika Hi all, I have a problem how to use multiple audio devices in Pd. I tired to search the archives but didn't find anything useful. Anyway... I have RME Fireface 800 audio interface and RME Octamic microphone pre-amplifier. Octamic is connected to Fireface with ADAT. I'm using Windows XP. I have connected 8 mics to Octamic and 4 mics to Fireface (it also has 4 mic level inputs). The problem is that I don't know how to get all 12 channels to work in Pd. when I start Pd with -listdev, I get audio input devices: 0. Live! Cam Optia AF (Mic) 1. Fireface Analog (1+2) MME 2. Fireface Analog (3+4) MME 3. Fireface Analog (5+6) MME 4. Fireface Analog (7+8) MME 5. Fireface Analog (9+10) MME 6. Fireface SPDIF MME 7. Fireface ADAT1 (1+2) MME 8. Fireface ADAT1 (3+4) MME 9. Fireface ADAT1 (5+6) MME 10. Fireface ADAT1 (7+8) MME 11. Fireface ADAT2 (1+2) MME 12. Fireface ADAT2 (3+4) MME 13. Fireface ADAT2 (5+6) MME 14. Fireface ADAT2 (7+8) MME 15. Fireface Analog (1+2) 16. Fireface Analog (3+4) 17. Fireface Analog (5+6) 18. Fireface Analog (7+8) 19. Fireface Analog (9+10) I can have the 8 Octamic channels if start Pd with -audioindev 7 -inchannels 8. Or the 4 Fireface channel by -audioindev 4 -inchannels 4. But when I try to define both like this, -audioindev 4,7 -inchannels 4,8 pd gives an error separate audio device choice not supported\; using sequential devices. -audioindev 4 -inchannels 12, does not work either. So is it impossible to get the two different devices working simultaneously or is there some kind of hack? Thanks for any help -Mika ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Multiple Audio Devices
Hi again, I've been searching the list archives even more and I've found several posts that say that this can be done and that the instructions can be found from the archives. However I haven't been able to find any instructions. =) So any ideas how to do it in Windows XP? Sorry for nagging, but I really like using Pd, but if there is not support for my hardware I might have to change the software. -Mika Hi all, I have a problem how to use multiple audio devices in Pd. I tired to search the archives but didn't find anything useful. Anyway... I have RME Fireface 800 audio interface and RME Octamic microphone pre-amplifier. Octamic is connected to Fireface with ADAT. I'm using Windows XP. I have connected 8 mics to Octamic and 4 mics to Fireface (it also has 4 mic level inputs). The problem is that I don't know how to get all 12 channels to work in Pd. when I start Pd with -listdev, I get audio input devices: 0. Live! Cam Optia AF (Mic) 1. Fireface Analog (1+2) MME 2. Fireface Analog (3+4) MME 3. Fireface Analog (5+6) MME 4. Fireface Analog (7+8) MME 5. Fireface Analog (9+10) MME 6. Fireface SPDIF MME 7. Fireface ADAT1 (1+2) MME 8. Fireface ADAT1 (3+4) MME 9. Fireface ADAT1 (5+6) MME 10. Fireface ADAT1 (7+8) MME 11. Fireface ADAT2 (1+2) MME 12. Fireface ADAT2 (3+4) MME 13. Fireface ADAT2 (5+6) MME 14. Fireface ADAT2 (7+8) MME 15. Fireface Analog (1+2) 16. Fireface Analog (3+4) 17. Fireface Analog (5+6) 18. Fireface Analog (7+8) 19. Fireface Analog (9+10) I can have the 8 Octamic channels if start Pd with -audioindev 7 -inchannels 8. Or the 4 Fireface channel by -audioindev 4 -inchannels 4. But when I try to define both like this, -audioindev 4,7 -inchannels 4,8 pd gives an error separate audio device choice not supported\; using sequential devices. -audioindev 4 -inchannels 12, does not work either. So is it impossible to get the two different devices working simultaneously or is there some kind of hack? Thanks for any help -Mika ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Multiple Audio Devices
hi mika, have you tried -audioindev 4,7 -inchannels 12? I think you should be able to use different soundcards, but maybe there is no possibility to use 4 from the one and 8 from the other, but rather all channels from both soundcards?? but I don't know about that. maybe -audioindev 4,5,7,8,9,10? on the other hand, if the octamic pre-amp is connected to adat1 can you do -audioindev 1, and -inchannels 36, does that give you all inchannels? marius. Mika Ristimäki wrote: Hi again, I've been searching the list archives even more and I've found several posts that say that this can be done and that the instructions can be found from the archives. However I haven't been able to find any instructions. =) So any ideas how to do it in Windows XP? Sorry for nagging, but I really like using Pd, but if there is not support for my hardware I might have to change the software. -Mika Hi all, I have a problem how to use multiple audio devices in Pd. I tired to search the archives but didn't find anything useful. Anyway... I have RME Fireface 800 audio interface and RME Octamic microphone pre-amplifier. Octamic is connected to Fireface with ADAT. I'm using Windows XP. I have connected 8 mics to Octamic and 4 mics to Fireface (it also has 4 mic level inputs). The problem is that I don't know how to get all 12 channels to work in Pd. when I start Pd with -listdev, I get audio input devices: 0. Live! Cam Optia AF (Mic) 1. Fireface Analog (1+2) MME 2. Fireface Analog (3+4) MME 3. Fireface Analog (5+6) MME 4. Fireface Analog (7+8) MME 5. Fireface Analog (9+10) MME 6. Fireface SPDIF MME 7. Fireface ADAT1 (1+2) MME 8. Fireface ADAT1 (3+4) MME 9. Fireface ADAT1 (5+6) MME 10. Fireface ADAT1 (7+8) MME 11. Fireface ADAT2 (1+2) MME 12. Fireface ADAT2 (3+4) MME 13. Fireface ADAT2 (5+6) MME 14. Fireface ADAT2 (7+8) MME 15. Fireface Analog (1+2) 16. Fireface Analog (3+4) 17. Fireface Analog (5+6) 18. Fireface Analog (7+8) 19. Fireface Analog (9+10) I can have the 8 Octamic channels if start Pd with -audioindev 7 -inchannels 8. Or the 4 Fireface channel by -audioindev 4 -inchannels 4. But when I try to define both like this, -audioindev 4,7 -inchannels 4,8 pd gives an error separate audio device choice not supported\; using sequential devices. -audioindev 4 -inchannels 12, does not work either. So is it impossible to get the two different devices working simultaneously or is there some kind of hack? Thanks for any help -Mika ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Multiple Audio Devices
hi mika On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 11:53 +0300, Mika Ristimäki wrote: Hi again, I've been searching the list archives even more and I've found several posts that say that this can be done and that the instructions can be found from the archives. However I haven't been able to find any instructions. =) So any ideas how to do it in Windows XP? Sorry for nagging, but I really like using Pd, but if there is not support for my hardware I might have to change the software. a friend of mine successfully used exactly the same setup on mac osx. she also used 12 mic inputs simultaneously in pd, which worked well over jackosx. -Mika Hi all, I have a problem how to use multiple audio devices in Pd. I tired to search the archives but didn't find anything useful. Anyway... I have RME Fireface 800 audio interface and RME Octamic microphone pre-amplifier. Octamic is connected to Fireface with ADAT. I'm using Windows XP. I have connected 8 mics to Octamic and 4 mics to Fireface (it also has 4 mic level inputs). The problem is that I don't know how to get all 12 channels to work in Pd. when I start Pd with -listdev, I get audio input devices: 0. Live! Cam Optia AF (Mic) 1. Fireface Analog (1+2) MME 2. Fireface Analog (3+4) MME 3. Fireface Analog (5+6) MME 4. Fireface Analog (7+8) MME 5. Fireface Analog (9+10) MME 6. Fireface SPDIF MME 7. Fireface ADAT1 (1+2) MME 8. Fireface ADAT1 (3+4) MME 9. Fireface ADAT1 (5+6) MME 10. Fireface ADAT1 (7+8) MME 11. Fireface ADAT2 (1+2) MME 12. Fireface ADAT2 (3+4) MME 13. Fireface ADAT2 (5+6) MME 14. Fireface ADAT2 (7+8) MME 15. Fireface Analog (1+2) 16. Fireface Analog (3+4) 17. Fireface Analog (5+6) 18. Fireface Analog (7+8) 19. Fireface Analog (9+10) I can have the 8 Octamic channels if start Pd with -audioindev 7 -inchannels 8. Or the 4 Fireface channel by -audioindev 4 -inchannels 4. But when I try to define both like this, -audioindev 4,7 -inchannels 4,8 pd gives an error separate audio device choice not supported\; using sequential devices. -audioindev 4 -inchannels 12, does not work either. can you elaborate that a bit? i am not too used to windows anymore, but iirc, using all mme devices sequentially, that are actually driven from the same card and from the same clock, is supposed to work well. you might already have tried that: what about accessing just _ALL_ inputs of the card? i don't know, where your octamic is connected to, adat1 or adat2. if it is on adat2, -audioindev 4 -inchannels 12 wouldn't work, since this would access actually the analog inputs and some adat1 inputs. try: -audioindev 1 -inchannels 28 then the [adc~] numbers in pd are not continous, but this wouldn't cause any harm, would it? roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
