Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

2016-04-05 16:03 GMT-03:00 cyrille henry : > experience told me that if you are looking for trouble, you will find them > at some point. > I hear you, it's just that I found that zexy library with such files compiled and all, so I naively thought that there was an easy way out of

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

I'd like to make a Request for Peer Pressure: Externals should only use alphanumeric characters and the underscore character. Exceptions are: classes that should have long ago shipped with Vanilla, classes to gain compatibility with Max/MSP, domain-specific operators for a monolithic external

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

On Die, 2016-04-05 at 15:32 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > 2016-04-05 12:26 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli : > On Windows, for instance, you can't have ? < > | : * \ / " in > filenames. > > > I just confirmed you can't have those characters in a .dll file

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

the problem did not came only from OS, but also from the filesystem. dot at the beginning of the file usually mean that the file is hidden (but exist). on a ext4 partition, only / is not possible in your list. i don't know about fat : since it's the only filesystem that allow to be read /

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

On Die, 2016-04-05 at 13:25 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > 2016-04-05 12:26 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli : > (Then there was the issue with object name aliases, so that > you could load [s2l] only after having created [symbol2list], > but this >

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

2016-04-05 12:26 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli : > On Windows, for instance, you can't have *? < > | : * \ / "* in filenames. I just confirmed you can't have those characters in a .dll file So, besides these characters in Windows, what are other forbiden ones in other operational

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

On 04/05/2016 05:35 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: > Another thought could be having hexloader be folded into core pd... well, a trimmed down hexloader *is* included in Pd-vanilla. however, it only handles the case for ordinary non-alpha characters and is lacking an escape mechanism for characters

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

2016-04-05 12:26 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli : > (Then there was the issue with object name aliases, so that > you could load [s2l] only after having created [symbol2list], but this > is another story). > Roman, I've been asking about that too. I had an object like [equals~], and

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

2016-04-05 12:11 GMT-03:00 Martin Peach : > You're lucky that OSX accepts filenames like ==~.pd_darwin. Will it also > accept *~.pd_darwin? Or <~.pd_darwin? > Yeah Martin, I can name the .pd_darwin objects to almost whatever, I've been testing here and the only problem so

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

Let's wait to see if we ever get a bug report about that.  AFAICT Pd-l2ork loads what needs to be loaded-- "susceptible to" isn't a good reason to awaken the makefile monster. -Jonathan On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:38 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: Another thought could be

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

2016-04-05 12:35 GMT-03:00 Ivica Ico Bukvic : > Another thought could be having hexloader be folded into core pd... > sounds reasonable ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management ->

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

Le 05/04/2016 17:26, Roman Haefeli a écrit : ... I maybe was over-dramatizing the situation, i don't think you are over dramatizing. I've developed a fear of using externals in pd since the hexloader/zexy story. 10 years of vanilla only patching IS over-dramatizing. ;-) cheers c

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

2016-04-05 12:26 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli : > it's not possible to have >~.dll I don't have windows, so please explain me better. Does window forbid a file to be named >~.dll or is there a problem with an existing >~.dll file being uploaded into Pd? cheers

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

Another thought could be having hexloader be folded into core pd... It is currently autoloaded in pd-l2ork but that approach is still susceptible to overrides to the default config. Perhaps we should fold it into pd-l2ork? An alternative is having aliases... On 4/5/2016 10:43 AM, Alexandre

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

Ok. You were lucky to have chosen '==' as an object name, then. The insanity begins, when the object names use characters that are forbidden by some file systems. On Windows, for instance, you can't have ? < > | : * \ " in filenames. This means, if you want to be able to load such an object, you

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

Here's some Pd Fan Fiction: Relational sigop author: Hey I got relational sigops.  You want them? Pd author: Yeah thanks, I forgot about those. *copy/paste*Pd community: Yay! Fin. -Jonathan On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:46 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > Now I have an object that is compiled as [==~], it's not part of a > library, and it loads and works on pd vanilla 0.46-7 64 bits, pd vanilla > 0.46-7 > 32 bits and also Pd-Extended 0.42-5 (*without* the need

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

On Mon, 2016-04-04 at 18:42 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > howdy, I know I kinda asked about this before on the list, but now I'm > really committed to understanding and building objects with "weird > character" names, like [==~]. Speaking as user, please don't. Don't find out about it,

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

I also asked something in my first email and I hope I can confirm it I tried making a second name - or an "alias" - for [equals~] (using C.2.9 class_addcreator C.2.9 in http://pdstatic.iem.at/externals-HOWTO/pd-externals-HOWTOse8.html ) But it didn't seem to work. I can get [==~] to instantiate

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

Well, I also found this zexy git https://git.iem.at/pd/zexy/ not sure how it compiles to objects like ==~ - coz i couldn't compile. But my colleague, Flavio, checked it out, and seems to have realized about the trick to compile an object as "==~". We did it and I compiled it for Mac Os and it is

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

well, I've checked the messages in the "hex loader" thread from nov 2007, it seems to talk a lot about the code of what is now the [hexloader] object in pd extended, but i didn't see how it related to my questions, which is how does the latest zexy library, available now via deken and seemingly

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

will do, but can you confirm if: the version found via deken, as: *zexy-v0-0extended-(Darwin-* *i386-32)(Darwin-PowerPC-32)(Darwin-x86_64-32)-externals.tar* Is this the one available from last released extended (0.43). and if this is the source code then

Re: [PD] objects with no alphanumerical names, how to build them?

On 04/04/2016 11:42 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > Anyway, I needed to understand what are the issues and what do you have to > do to make it happen, and then, well, I guess I can look into this zexy > structure to better understand it. please search the archives for "hex loader". it has