Alan Chan wrote:
Especially compatible... sounds suspicious... This is not another
Caveman thing right? :-)
Nope, it was genuine Pentax this time ;-)
Luckily I am not much a LX fan. :-)
Ah. You don't know what you miss ;-)
cheers,
caveman
After five years of loyal service and constant use, my Mac G3 300 died.
The cause of death is unknown at this time, but it wouldn't boot even
with a system disc in the CD drive and all the other drives
disconnected. Probably a mother board failure.Since most of my work is
now scanned color images
Ah. You don't know what you miss ;-)
But I do. I do indeed... :-)
regards,
Alan Chan -- PDMLer scared by LX service bills...
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Bob S. wrote:
What lenses are the better ones in the Pentax 6x7 line-up?
Did people trash the 90/2.8 or the 105/2.4 as not very good?
What's good, better, and best among these lenses?
Are the oldest (SMC Takumar?), metal bodied lenses
a step down from the newer grip variety?
The 45mm f/4 is
What lenses are the better ones in the Pentax 6x7 line-up?
Did people trash the 90/2.8 or the 105/2.4 as not very good?
What's good, better, and best among these lenses?
Are the oldest (SMC Takumar?), metal bodied lenses
a step down from the newer grip variety?
Well I have the old Tak
VIKING TO CONQUER SCOTLAND
Gaelic kilts are set to quiver this coming week as a handful of
PDMLers from across Europe make a pilgrimage to the land of single malts,
haggis and unreasonably throwing telephone poles about.
Pentax afficionado Jostein Oshkoshbagosh (son of Ivan the Exposed) is
on 23.07.03 19:38, Lon Williamson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As an additional note: The ZX-L supports wireless, too. I don't
know that it supports as many flash options as the MZ-S, but it has
more flash options than any other Z body. Anyone know if the *ist
is as capable with flash as
Hi,
Alan wrote:
Anyone knows why all lenses except those wider than 28 mm and slower than f/3.5
could be used with these screens? Does that mean FA*24/2 F*300/4.5 could not be
used? What could be the problem? Vignetting in viewfinder?
The key word here is and. The lens has to be both wider
You drinkin' alrady? Its not even 9 o'clock!!!
Have fun.
-Original Message-
From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 24 July 2003 08:57
To: Pentax List
Subject: PDMLers to RV in Scotland
VIKING TO CONQUER SCOTLAND
Gaelic kilts are set to quiver this coming week as a
Hi all,
I picked up the 165mm f/2.8 for my 6x7 today. The body was also back
from repair so it looks like I'll be doing a bit of shooting this
weekend.
The lens is in excellent condition: just a couple of bits of internal
dust; nothing to worry about. The shop listed it as 8/10 but its
After a bloody good send-orf by Lord and Lady Wilson, the coalition
forces of Oshkoshbagosh and Cotswold will march north for the final
assault past Hadrian's Wall, arriving in an area known only as 'Death By
Mosquito'.
Cotty,
You're not bloody joking about the mossies either. Take lots of
At 04:28 AM 7/24/2003 -0700, Steve Larson wrote:
Why do 6X7 lenses have a shallow depth of field even stopped down
all the way? Chris mentioned it with the 165/2.8. Are they all like that?
I could understand it if it was at close focus with tubes WO, but for a
landscape shooting at infinity?
Steve,
I believe it's what Herb says. It's not the medium format itself that's
the problem, it's having to use correspondingly longer lenses for the
same field of view. I've just this morning bought a 55mm f/4 for my 6x7
(yay!) - and despite having the field of view of about 28mm in the 35mm
Wheww! Thanks. I thought I'd missed one!
keith == due for a new CPU soon... Have a G3 300, like Paul. Looking
at G4 towers. Used.
Cotty wrote:
Nice one Paul. I'm green with envy. My Photoshop station is a Blue and
White G4 450
...Of course, that should read:
G3 450 :-)
Cheers,
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:51:35 +0200, Jostein wrote:
Remember the best dawn light at the mo is about 4.30am :-)
Good excuse for not going to bed! :-)
The only good reason for seeing the dawn is you've been up all night
partying. :-)
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
I am selling out, guys. My shift lens, 28-80 P zoom, 20mm FA, and My MZ-S the first
things to go. If anyone is interested, lemme know.
-Original Message-
From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:14 PM
To: pdml; Cesar Matamoros; Christian Skofteland; [EMAIL
On 24 Jul 2003 at 13:41, Chris Stoddart wrote:
Having said that, does anyone know if the d-o-f is the same for all lenses
of a given focal length? In other words, does every 165mm lens from every
maunfacturer have the same d-o-f? Or can they 'tune' it a bit with better
optical design? Yes or
Hi,
What is the condition of you MZS and price?
Cheers
Alec
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From: Lindamood, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cesar
Matamoros [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ed
Thanks to all who responded. The (circle of) confusion is now very clear!
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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From: Steve Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 4:28 AM
Subject: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses -
Diffraction problems with light? Bob S.
No, Bill, DOF is computed from aperture diameter, and final image
magnification. Not f-stop, and negative image size.
For a given f-stop a longer lens has a larger aperture and therefore less
DOF. That means a 165 on a 6x7 would have about the same DOF as a 165 on
35mm if, and only if, the
Oh come on UPS isn't bad at getting stuff where it
goes, they just have a habbit of dropping it ALOT
A few months ago, I got home from work and noticed a rather beaten up box
on
the street in front of my house. Being the good citizen that I am, I went
to
pick this trash up with the intention of
Your verbal explaination is great, Mark. But there is a bit of a problem
with your math. Simply put f-stop is a light transmission factor, not and
not the same thing as aperture size. I know I played with that same formula
for a long time, and it did not work until I realized that. Change f
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Keith Whaley wrote:
Wheww! Thanks. I thought I'd missed one!
keith == due for a new CPU soon... Have a G3 300, like Paul. Looking
at G4 towers. Used.
My $72 G3 became a modern, useful computer with the addition of a $100
used G4/500 CPU. Browse ebay for a cheap CPU
All --
There is a side benefit of working in the IT department
of a large book warehousing/distribution company that
services a great many small publishers. Invariably,
when wandering through the warehouse, there'll be
something to catch the eye.
This morning's find was _Industrial Night_, by
Lindamood, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am selling out, guys.
Another one going over to Canon?
--
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Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
Kodak braces for film's fade
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/biznews/07246A1A3QC_ek24_business.shtml
Photographic film, the product that helped create both a city and a
company, is heading for the fate of the American elm tree, white gloves,
enclosed phone booths, slide rules, carbon paper
on 24.07.03 16:19, Mark Roberts at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am selling out, guys.
Another one going over to Canon?
Or maybe Nikon? Who knows?
--
Best Regards
Sylwek
The COC factor used to produce lens DOF scales varies between manufacturers
within the same format.
For instance Carl Zeiss Contax SLR lenses have a far more generous DOF scale
Pentax 35mm lenses. However there is no difference in the apparent DOF in
prints made at the same aperture and FL using
Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 24.07.03 16:19, Mark Roberts at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am selling out, guys.
Another one going over to Canon?
Or maybe Nikon?
Very unlikely these days.
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
A friend of mine called to get my recommendations for an SLR or PS camera
for her daughter. I mentioned digital but her daughter wanted to go film.
Maybe I should have also talked about Kodak films to use in the Pentax I
suggested she get.
Jim A.
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
My UPS guy was a little careless as well until I gave him $50 last
Xmas. Now he's my best friend.
tv
-Original Message-
From: Brendan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Nikon and Pentax AF systems; the plot thickens
I guess it's really not surprising. We just had a presentation this
morning from Cornell University's photo department on their new
procedures and archive system, which should go into effect by
September as they switch completely to digital. They have purchased
five of the new Kodak DCS 14n
I have just finished setting up a preliminary website that I hope will help
us in our 'Saga of the Sand' it can be found at:
http://personal.inet.fi/cool/aino.williams/index.htm
I'd like to hear what you guys have to say before I put the final link on my
site and make it known to the general WWW
Sorry for the delay but I thought that _this_ was one of your humorous posts.
At 08:37 AM 7/13/03 -0400, you wrote:
Damn it! My tests come through immediately. My humourous posts made an
hour and 1/2 ago still aren't through. I guess I'll see them this
afternoon, if ever. Mind you, when you
Rob wrote:
DOF is only perception and in addition to the common guide formulas I have
found that unsharp lenses seem to display a more broad DOF than a sharp lens
where the absolute plane of focus is apparent.
REPLY:
True as sharpness is relative (within reason).
However, this also explains
Any suggestions for low light and long exposure celestial ?
Well, then you're talking about the LX. However, if you're happy
enough with making your long exposures with the B for Bulb
setting, then I'd suggest possibly an MX or an ME Super, perhaps -
both have fairly bright screens and do not
All of this may be true for color film (i.e. reproductions in color digital
are better) but I have yet to see a digital black and white image equal to
the subtlety of a good BW neg printed on premium BW paper. This is where
films advantage still lies (as noted in Joe's email).
We'll also see how
Hallo,
Pentax has copied the Nikon F80 with MF-lenses non compatiblity.
But now Nikon is one step futher, read this:
A surprising feature of the D2H is its improoved backwards compatibility: A
basic matrix meter when it is used with non CPU-lenses. Of all AF-cameras
only the F4 had this feature.
I'm still running 9.2 and PhotoShop 6 on the new G4. I'm in no hurry to
go to OSX. That's one reason I didn't opt for the G5.
Paul
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
on 24.07.03 14:13, Cotty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...Of course, that should read:
G3 450 :-)
I knew that :-) Mine is still
At 09:32 AM 7/24/2003 -0400, T Rittenhouse wrote:
Your verbal explaination is great, Mark. But there is a bit of a problem
with your math. Simply put f-stop is a light transmission factor, not and
not the same thing as aperture size. I know I played with that same formula
for a long time, and it
Remember the best dawn light at the mo is about 4.30am :-)
Thanks Chris. Hmmm, you're right. Unfortunately my internal programming
shuts down between 2am and 6 am, a bit like eBay on a Friday morning, so
I think I might take the evening option ;-) You knew that I was an
android, right?
I have
Will you be taking pictures?
Just curious...
-frank
Photographs!
Cheers,
Cotty
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Hi *,
the August PUG is ready to go.
This one is early - since I'll be on holiday NOW. Hope you don't mind.
If you find errors, please be patient. I'll be back around the 12th of
Aug. latest.
Cheers
Adelheid
URL:
http://pug.komkon.org/
--
About resizing your pics:
Another question, anyone use SG-60 in MX with vignetting problem with any
lens? Thx again!
regards,
Alan Chan
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Your original post said
Modern technology is also likely to
be used in the Mother of all Battles for the Perfect Exposure with
Optios, Powershots and even a Canon DSLR (Don't Stop Losing Resolution)
being brought to bare on an unforgiving terrain.
These don't take photographs, only images and
As I recall a Pentax ES can do up to a 30 sec exposure
automatically.
Any suggestions for low light and long exposure
celestial ?
Fred
Ken Waller
PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart.
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Hi *,
the August PUG is ready to go.
This one is early - since I'll be on holiday NOW. Hope you don't mind.
If you find errors, please be patient. I'll be back around the 12th of
Aug. latest.
Cheers
Adelheid
Masterly setting of photographs, as always, Adelheid. Have a nice holiday.
Andre
--
At 06:58 PM 7/24/2003 +0300, you wrote:
I have just finished setting up a preliminary website that I hope will help
us in our 'Saga of the Sand' it can be found at:
http://personal.inet.fi/cool/aino.williams/index.htm
I'd like to hear what you guys have to say before I put the final link on my
they aren't designed to last more than 5 years at most. there is no point. do you want
to use a 50 year old computer?
Herb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:33
Subject: Re: Tough times in Rochester
We'll also see
Hi Rüdiger,
on 24 Jul 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
But now Nikon is one step futher, read this:
This is no new feature. Actually the Nikon D1 is also backwards
compatible. The D2H is simplay a class higher than the D100 or *istD.
I hope, Pentax is also copying this kind of compability.
So,
Another fine job,except,my picture is not there.:-(
Dave
Hi *,
the August PUG is ready to go.
This one is early - since I'll be on holiday NOW. Hope you don't mind.
If you find errors, please be patient. I'll be back around the 12th of
Aug. latest.
I've already spoken to a reporter and he's coming out here soon - or so he
said anyway. The sand thing is ongoing and I can add to the site. I've got
templates now and can add extra parts to the menu in hours. Its the picture
taking that holds me up. Developing film! I need an Optio S, or
Hi!
I realize my opinion is, well, uneducated, but two photographs of this
month's PUG struck me as totally amazing:
1. Milwaukee Art Museum by Bill Sawyer - black contours of museum
visitors and the light coming from the dome above - totally captivates
me.
2. Tourists by Ann Sanfedele - I
I wish I could but I'm heading out on vacation for two weeks, maybe next time.
Geoff
The more the merrier! It always is a great time.
Hope you can make it,
César
-- -Original Message-
-- From: Ed Mathews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:59 PM
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At 03:00 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, Caveman wrote:
Isn't the definition talking about the entrance pupil, which is the
image of the aperture in front of the lens ? So you have to determine the
diameter of the aperture image, and not of the aperture itself ?
Beats me
Back when I used manual flash
Herb Chong wrote:
how much did film cameras change in their first 20 years of existence? stock
photographers are approaching the point where no-one will accept film anymore.
That's just a little obscure. Who is no-one?
Those to whom stock photographers sell all their photos?
Sorry I
apparently Jostein the Conqueror has been trying out some in northern
Norway while lying about waiting to photograph deer, elk, moose, goodness
knows what.
LOL. What a difference a word can make. No, Jostein is not telling
untruths regarding the time it takes to photograph Norwegian wildlife
Your original post said
Modern technology is also likely to
be used in the Mother of all Battles for the Perfect Exposure with
Optios, Powershots and even a Canon DSLR (Don't Stop Losing Resolution)
being brought to bare on an unforgiving terrain.
These don't take photographs, only images and
No, Mark, f-stop is focal-length divided by aperture-diameter. So, by
definition focal-length divided by f-stop is aperture-diameter (that is, a
100mm lens at f4.0 has a 25mm aperture).
Actually, that formula in the original form had the value f = aperture. The
problem with that is most of us
We'll also see how long these digital cameras can last - we all are aware
of Pentaxi that are still in great working condition after 30 or 35 years.
Do you really think a Canon D30/D60/10D or Nikon D100 will be able to hold
up that long?
We will know that in 30-35 years time. Some
Rüdiger wrote:
Hallo,
Pentax has copied the Nikon F80 with MF-lenses non compatiblity.
REPLY:
Pentax have in fact followed the Nikon D100 with the *ist D. They (will) compete with
each other and both companies have released lenses without aperture rings and both
camera bodies have
Mark quoted:
Photographic film, the product that helped create both a city and a
company, is heading for the fate of the American elm tree, white gloves,
enclosed phone booths, slide rules, carbon paper and other pieces of
vanishing Americana.
REPLY:
Generally true but slightly pessimistic.
Digital Captures?
-frank
Cotty wrote:
Will you be taking pictures?
Just curious...
-frank
Photographs!
Cheers,
Cotty
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Well, on a certain level, Peter, my posts are ~all~ humourous. It just depends on
one's POV, I guess. vbg
cheers,
frank
Peter Alling wrote:
Sorry for the delay but I thought that _this_ was one of your humorous posts.
--
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
Don,
A sad story.
I would make do with fewer pictures to go with the text.
3 rows of 5 pix in any part is enough for now.
The personal impact is missing too...
Sand on the picnic table, in the house, covering the flowers,...
The everyday hell you endure to live there.
Regards, Bob S.
[EMAIL
As long as, for most people, the camera of choice is the disposable camera, there will
be film made at least for that purpose. I bet that the majority of film made these
days is made to go into those things.
The niche market will be for so-called pro film, diapositive film and bw. Once
they
I finally made it down to Adorama today. I ended up with the
Bogen/Manfrotto 3006 monopod - folds down to 20 inches, only weighs a
pound. The only problem is that it's silver. Do I need to cover it up
with batting tape to prevent glare? I completely forgot about that issue
until I got home. :)
I
actually, the (approximate) formula for the DOF is
DOF = C*N*(1+M)/(M^2 * (1-C*N/F*M), where
C -- circle of confusion
N -- F-stop
F -- focal length
M -- magnification
when you double the focal length and double the diameter of the circle
of confusion,
everything else held constant, the DOF
I finally made it down to Adorama today. I ended up with the
Bogen/Manfrotto 3006 monopod - folds down to 20 inches, only weighs a
pound. The only problem is that it's silver. Do I need to cover it up
with batting tape to prevent glare? I completely forgot about that issue
until I got home. :)
T Rittenhouse wrote:
Change f (f-stop) to a (aperture diameter) and it works fine.
if you look at the formula, as Mark and I wrote it, the
DOF has dimensions of length. if you change f-stop to the actual
diameter, the dimension will become length^2, which cannot be.
best,
Mishka
The only lens I bought on e-bay that I know for sure was stolen had a very
detailed description from a very knowledgeable seller with clear photographs.
Imagine my consternation when about a year later I receive an e-mail from a
police department asking for all the details of the sale and a
Dave wrote: You'd be spending more money on a new digital camera every 5
years...
Herb wrote: ...they aren't designed to last more than 5 years at most...
I'm guessing I'll be buying a new digital SLR every 5 years or so even if
they are built like tanks and the body still work just fine.
I wish mine weren`t there. It`s truly awful.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: August PUG early open
Another fine job,except,my picture is not there.:-(
Dave
On a somewhat related side note, I know find myself with a powerbook to
sell. I have a limited opportunity to downsize to a 12 model and as I
find myself carrying my 'book around more I'm looking forward to the
reduction in weight.
Given that, I now have my 1-year-old 15 titanium G4 powerbook
copied and pasted from Mark's post:
d = 2fc*(m+1)/m^2
where d=dof, f = f stop, c = circle of confusion size, and m =
magnification.
Now, if anyone can see a value for focal length in the above formula, he
needs to talk to a good shrink about his over active imagination.
My reply was change
At 02:59 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, Richard Klein wrote:
I'm still going through the PUG. My favorite so far is Vigilant by Mark
Cassino (but I'm a sucker for cats, and I don't think Mark could take a
bad picture if he tried). Thaipusam Singapore, though, by Jos van der
Hijden is a very good
The local drugstore here even has Tri-X. (As well as the new C41 stuff). Even
the local super markets have the C41 stuff.
At 01:04 PM 7/17/03 -0400, you wrote:
I keep hearing that drugstores stock bw film. What drugstores do you shop
at? The ones I go to sure as heck don't.
cheers,
frank
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: On MF: lenses and DOF (WAS: Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses)
The DOF issue is the real problem for MF. Imagine wanting to take that
landscape shot you usually do with your 24mm lens for the 35mm format;
everything from your shoetips to
Too bad he wasn't born here, un-constitutional you know.
At 08:09 PM 7/17/03 -0500, Sid Barris wrote:
on 7/17/03 5:20 PM, Robert Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about president. He already has a pretty good job. But he
sure gave a good speech. You should be proud.
Cotty
Help! I just got a new set of Cokin P filters and a holder today.
Everything works great except the polarizer. I just can't get it to fit
in the holder, yet it says P right on it. It is the Cokin P 164 Circular
Polarizer. Is there something I'm doing wrong or do I need to exchange
it for the right
I always thought that was why they liked us more than they like French.
Not why they were more articulate.
At 06:41 AM 7/18/03 -0600, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Sid Barras
Subject: Re: OT - Brit and proud
How is it that you Brits, generally speaking of course, are so much
Yep, Ann and Mark take top honors this month. As does Mark's cat.
It is interesting to observe how many PUG contributors are using older
gear. What does this mean for Pentax?
Joe
there are vanishingly few editorial stock photo clients that request film. many, many
stock photo agencies are either converting or completely converted to digital now and
will refuse to accept film. you have to supply digital files. they won't scan your
slides for you gratis anymore given the
it is tricky to fit in. you have to have the flange closest to the back and it has to
go in the rearmost slow. take a careful look at how it slides in. you have to depress
the locking latch slightly to get it started. they could have made it a lot easier.
Herb
- Original Message -
On 24 Jul 2003 at 15:25, Caveman wrote:
A centerweighted meter doesn't get fooled. It does exactly what it was
designed to do. It's the photographer that may get fooled in
interpreting its meaning. For the easily fooled, evaluative matrix
metering is indeed a better option.
I'm easily
Now that is funny.
At 10:39 AM 7/18/03 -0700, you wrote:
http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
C.
To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is
designed by
the post office, even the sleaze.
O'Rourke, P.J.
Tom, You're not looking at this correctly, if you've got a wood stove you
should be asking them for them to send them every week and cut down on your
heating bills this winter.
At 07:20 PM 7/18/03 -0400, you wrote:
And speaking of lights, BH has sent me a 4th copy of their 4-3/4 lb. (had
the PO
We feel the same way about you William.
At 06:05 PM 7/18/03 -0600, you wrote:
Bob, I do feel for you, and your son, but don't forget, your son was part of
an invading army.
You want to invade someones country, and bomb the crap out of them, thats
fine.
You think that they won't fight back, you
In either case I buy alot from them, why don't I get
these doorstops/free heating fuel more than once a
year!
--- Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom, You're not looking at this correctly, if you've
got a wood stove you
should be asking them for them to send them every
week and cut
That would all be really nice if we had actually put him in power.
We can thank the Russians for that. (Funny how he hated the communists
but took their aid to set up a police state).
At 05:58 PM 7/18/03 -0700, you wrote:
Hindsight is much simpler.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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