Re: BW On A DSLR

2005-08-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:24 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I don't think we're really disagreeing, just describing the same thing a little differently. lol ... Perhaps. :-) I think in terms of digital process almost exclusively nowadays. The expression colors and tonalities are converted

Re: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax

2005-08-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I'm really not one to tread the upgrade path frequently, or take that path without careful thought. FWIW, I still use Win 95 and Lotus 123 v2.01 (a program I purchased in 1988 or 1989) on my old computer - works just fine for my needs ;-)) Thanks, John Shel [Original Message] From:

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My understanding is that the DA40 Ltd covers 24x36mm format very well despite it's DA designation. However, it does not have an aperture ring so it would be unsatisfactory on, say, the MX body since it would only operate at f/22 or some such without body control of the aperture mechanism.

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hmmm that may make it unsatisfactory on the DS as well. Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ... however, it does not have an aperture ring so it would be unsatisfactory on, say, the MX body since it would only operate at f/22 or some such without body control of the

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws

2005-08-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: The Nature of Film's Final Throws How much longer will starving film cameras demand 35mm color pos/neg films be produced? What level of production and availability would qualify as in production? What's the likelihood of film's

Re: Why full frame?

2005-08-26 Thread Bruce Dayton
I concur on the 820 - I threw one in the trash too! My HP 7960 is so much better. My experience with Epson printers is that the expensive ones are great and the cheap ones are crap. Kind of sounds like Canon lenses grin. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, August 25, 2005, 4:59:01 PM, you

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Huh? Full control of both body and lens will be possible, and you'll be able to use all the DS' capabilities. Why would that be unsatisfactory?? Godfrey On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:14 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hmmm that may make it unsatisfactory on the DS as well. ... however, it does

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Pancakes for Breakfast Hmmm that may make it unsatisfactory on the DS as well. These cameras are designed to have the aperture set from the body. It did take some getting used to, but it is a technique not difficult to

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
How would one set the aperture when using the lens manually, like in aperture priority, or when using full manual modes? Am I missing something? Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Huh? Full control of both body and lens will be possible, and you'll be able to use all the

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Pancakes for Breakfast Oh, I didn't know that. Don't recall ever hearing of such a thing. That might be kinda neat ... or not. Worth trying, anyway. I would still prefer using an aperture ring, but since they are taking that

Re: Re: Film scanner question

2005-08-26 Thread John Celio
One of the things I'm inspecting carefully is colour depth. I've got a slide of a red geranium (on Velvia) that I cannot get a decent scan of with the Craposcan. It looks indescribably dull and if I try to boost the saturation, the image just goes a sort of wierd fluorescent hue before it

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Oh, I didn't know that. Don't recall ever hearing of such a thing. That might be kinda neat ... or not. Worth trying, anyway. Shel [Original Message] From: William Robb - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Pancakes for Breakfast Hmmm that may make it

Re: Re: Film scanner question

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri AM 01:06:22 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Film scanner question the real test is scanning greens. the eye is most sensitive in that color area. Herb... Care to elucidate? - Original Message -

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri AM 01:16:58 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :) however, the A* lenses with rear filter mounts don't require a filter in the filter mount at all times. Herb... Even more interesting.

Re: Re: Film scanner question

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri AM 01:27:55 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Film scanner question I think you run a MAC. PS uses all the memory on MAC'., With PC's it will only use up to 2 gigabytes. PS2 is nice. graywolf

Re: Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Cesar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri AM 02:21:46 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot mike wilson wrote: From: Cesar [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) I was sitting in a UH-1 with the doors open as we did a 'map of the earth'

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread Bertil Holmberg
In M mode the ring controls shutter time, pressing the Av button tranfers control to the aperture. A little awkward, but you learn =) On the istD, the front ring controls the shutter time, the rear one controls the aperture value. I haven't handled a Ds, apparently it only has one control

Re: Re: Wideangle enablement :)

2005-08-26 Thread Vid Strpic
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 03:25:16PM +0100, Chris Stoddart wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, mike wilson wrote: Empiricism seems to be the only saviour here. Time to get 'em out! 8-) Yay, that's what we need - some tests! If everyone who's willing and owns a Mir-47K 20mm f/2.5 can take a picture

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread David Savage
Probably the same way my Z-20 (PZ-20) does. You'd press the Tv/Av button to change what the wheel controlled (ie. shutter speed or aperture). Dave On 8/26/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

How to lower noise from a RAW file?

2005-08-26 Thread Thibouille
Taken at night.. forgot to switch off the noise reduction from my D :( I know utilities can do that but dunno which ones. -- Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ...

Re: Re: Film scanner question

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: John Celio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri AM 07:28:42 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Film scanner question One of the things I'm inspecting carefully is colour depth. I've got a slide of a red geranium (on Velvia) that I cannot get a decent scan

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread Thibouille
Yes, the DS works like a z-20 (and derivates) and the D works like a Z-1. Pretty much the same. If you own a Z1 and use both wheels, it is very straightforward. 2005/8/26, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Probably the same way my Z-20 (PZ-20) does. You'd press the Tv/Av button to change what

Re: BW On A DSLR

2005-08-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Superb example of BW conversion. (I like the shot very much as well.) But on my monitor, the highlights and shadows are detailed and right at the ends of the spectrum, the midtones are nicely separated and beautifully rendered. Excellent. Would love to see it printed on Epson Velvet Fine Art

PESO:Another Thinker

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
I'm reposting this one. For some reason I did get the subject line wrong the first time: I had a walk in the Vigeland Park when I was in Oslo. Those of you who has been in Norway know it, for the rest of you: It is a large sculpture park in Oslo, with 192 sculptures by Gustav Vigeland, a very

RE: The Nature of Film's Final Throws

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
This poetic post sets me in a very nostalgic mood. Those where the days, (I'm not at all ironic here). At the same time, I can't help wondering if my sons will be saying similar things about the media of today: Digital photo. ;-) Something like A kid born in 2028 (when I turn 40) won't ever edit

iPod photo storage

2005-08-26 Thread Derby Chang
I've managed to acquire a 60GB iPod Photo, and am rediscovering my CD collection. Wonderous indeed. Now need to do some enablement. I know the pod won't display RAW files, but that's ok. I just want to dump RAWs. I'm looking at the Belkin media reader. Seems it will work nicely at firewire

Photoshop CS2 --was Film scanner question

2005-08-26 Thread Graywolf
No I've been trying CS2. There is no way in hell I could afford to by it. Funny thing is it runs nicely on my now ancient 900mhz/512mb AMD Homebrew computer. I keep seeing people say it is slow on their modern super computers. Maybe it is just that I normally only have one or two aps open at

Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot - Thanks

2005-08-26 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Bob W wrote: I've had plenty of those situations when I did have a camera with me, but other things stopped me getting the shot. Driving is a big one -- of those things that stops one getting the shot.

RE: Patch adding hidden functios to PS EL

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
Thank you Boris. Thank you Godfrey :-) Anyone out there who knows a patch without these limitations? Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original

Printers (was Why full frame?)

2005-08-26 Thread Graywolf
From what I read in reviews written by long term users the expensive Epsons clog up too, only difference it that it is cheaper to replace the print head than to trash it and buy something else. Also Epson inks never turn out to have the permanence the are claimed to but it takes two three years

Re: BW On A DSLR

2005-08-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 09:56 PM, Herb Chong wrote: you have to manually set white balance to something fixed, like daylight or something. Have a look: www.warmcards.com I've used these for several years. Bob

Re: Why full frame?

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I concur on the 820 - I threw one in the trash too! My HP 7960 is so much better. My experience with Epson printers is that the expensive ones are great and the cheap ones are crap. Kind of sounds like Canon lenses grin. Ah, but keep in mind that cheap

RE: PESO -- Cruising is Serious Business

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
A nice picture. Despite being a bit unsharp. But what grab my attention are the threes, I like them, but I don't tend to look at the main subject. Could be me and my biases, being a Me don't love wheels man. I try to ignore him, because he is disturbing my peace, roaring around ;-) Tim Mostly

RE: CR-V3 rechargeables

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26. august 2005 07:10 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: CR-V3 rechargeables In a message dated 8/25/2005 2:18:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 25/8/05, Boris Liberman,

Re: Mini London PDML

2005-08-26 Thread keithw
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Aug 25, 2005, at 6:38 PM, keithw wrote: [...] I mean, really! 1956! Sports car nirvana age... My first sports car was a Triumph TR-3! Lots of memories from back then. I was totally immersed in SCCA activities, crewing and racing and driving my TR around the

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 08:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_bi_ge/kodak_consolidation I've been reading this thread from the start and keep wondering where we're talking about throwing film. Pardon me for correcting the thread title. It's

Re: Why full frame?

2005-08-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 08:21 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Ah, but keep in mind that cheap Canon lenses are really Tamrons! Sez who? Bob

GESO - Barber shop (again)

2005-08-26 Thread Michael Spivak
Last Tuesday my brother got married (hooray !!) I've been visiting 2 barber shops that day and off course the camera was with me :) so here is a small gallery with the best shots of that film (Trix 400 pushed to 800) http://mishka.site.co.il/gallery/WeddingPreps PS: why did i push that 400ASA

RE: Re: New Digital SLR Products From Pentax

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
Shel. I have Scottish blood in my veins, have you? ;-) Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of not throwing away functioning things. I just couldn't resist. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C.

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Throws??? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Mini London PDML

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
keithw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, those were cars you drove, not aimed. When you moved the steering wheel, you were hooked directly to the road, and you knew it! Same with every other function. Direct hookup. Exciting driving! You didn't need speed to get a sensation of driving. I used to

Re: How to lower noise from a RAW file?

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken at night.. forgot to switch off the noise reduction from my D :( I know utilities can do that but dunno which ones. RawShooter Essentials has some noise reduction capability. http://www.pixmantec.com/products/rawshooter_essentials.html After converting

RE: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
Ella Fitzgerald in concert from behind! I heard her at that tour (from front, in Oslo). She was a diamond, despite a stiff upper lip audience. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some

Re: Why full frame?

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 08:21 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Ah, but keep in mind that cheap Canon lenses are really Tamrons! Sez who? Informed sources whose jobs would be in danger if they were named. But also anyone who's worked in a camera shop and had

Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot - Thanks

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It’s hard to tell if this thread has run down yet. Maybe not. If you still want to, feel free to continue to add your reply/answer. However, I wanted to throw my thanks in now. Thanks for starting the thread Marnie! Because of it, I've been going through my old shots

RE: Why full frame?

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
Me think, cheap Canon lenses are really _cheap_ Tamrons! But who am I to say? I'm using a Tamron 28-75/2,8 and _want_ to believe it’s a proper lens. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or

Re: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri PM 12:16:15 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 08:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050825/ap_on_bi_ge/kodak_consolidation

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws

2005-08-26 Thread Jack Davis
Yeah, as in death throws. Jack --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Throws??? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, as in death throws. Sorry, I was being pedantic. It's death throes. --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Throws??? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

OT: Cheesy song remakes

2005-08-26 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Some cheesy song remakes: Inna-Gouda-Vel-Veeta Let it Brie Ricotta Get Out of This Place Cheeses Christ Superstar Your Cheesing Heart Bleu (cheese) Suede Shoes Nacho Man Muenster Mash -- Daniel J. Matyola Stanley, Powers Matyola 78 Grove Street Somerville, NJ 08876 (908)725-3322 (tel)

Re: PESO:Another Thinker

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Posted another yesterday, have been productive. Post titled PESO:Late summer Reflections. No comments so far. It deserves better IMHO. If you don't feel like finding the origenal

Re: Film scanner question

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] the real test is scanning greens. the eye is most sensitive in that color area. Care to elucidate? 1: The green channel of a digital image very closely corresponds to the overall luminance of the image. 2: The human

Re: Why full frame?

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me think, cheap Canon lenses are really _cheap_ Tamrons! But who am I to say? I'm using a Tamron 28-75/2,8 and _want_ to believe it’s a proper lens. Sorry, but Canon makes their own f/2.8 zooms! It's things like the 70-300 f/4.0-5.6 and $80.00 28-80 zooms

Canon/Nikon/Tamron

2005-08-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 08:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Informed sources whose jobs would be in danger if they were named. But also anyone who's worked in a camera shop and had the opportunity to hold the Tamron and Canon version of the same lens at the same time will tell you it's

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws

2005-08-26 Thread Jack Davis
Er..that is, throes. Thanks, Jack --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Throws??? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around

Re: Canon/Nikon/Tamron

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 08:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Informed sources whose jobs would be in danger if they were named. But also anyone who's worked in a camera shop and had the opportunity to hold the Tamron and Canon version of the same lens at

Re: OT: Cheesy song remakes

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some cheesy song remakes: Inna-Gouda-Vel-Veeta Let it Brie Getting Feta All the Time? Ricotta Get Out of This Place Cheeses Christ Superstar Drop Kick Me Cheeses Through the Goal Posts of Life? Your Cheesing Heart Bleu (cheese) Suede Shoes Nacho

RE: PESO:Another Thinker

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
Subtle. I like that. I'll change my mail signature to Tim. Mostly subtle, on second thoughts, I wont. There is a link at the page gråskala, it makes a rather primitive BW conversion. When clicking it the man almost becomes an integrated part of the statue. That I love! That’s the idea I had in

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws

2005-08-26 Thread Jack Davis
Pretty much my feeling, also. Lack of commercial support facilities will likely hasten the end. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: The Nature of Film's Final Throws How much longer will starving film cameras demand

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread P. J. Alling
There's a function button. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Pancakes for Breakfast Oh, I didn't know that. Don't recall ever hearing of such a thing. That might be kinda neat ... or not. Worth trying, anyway. I would still prefer using

GESO - Barber shop (again)

2005-08-26 Thread Michael Spivak
Last Tuesday my brother got married (hooray !!) I've been visiting 2 barber shops that day and off course the camera was with me :) so here is a small gallery with the best shots of that film (Trix 400 pushed to 800) http://mishka.site.co.il/gallery/WeddingPreps PS: why did i push that 400ASA

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks for spelling edit! Embarrassed, but grateful.:-) Do you have a more optimistic view about the life of positive color film? Jack --- Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 08:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] This news story is interesting in that it refers to Kodak's digital business as expanding. I'm not sure that's accurate. The only digital cameras that Kodak was actually building were their pro cameras, and they

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws

2005-08-26 Thread Jack Davis
David, Thanks for the retro trip. My memories (too far back to totally relate here) begin with sitting by my father in his basement darkroom , nostrils full of the smell of chemistry, and being amazed each time an image developed in the tray. First camera, Baby Brownie in about 1942. Took it to

Re: Re: Film scanner question

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri PM 01:11:21 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Film scanner question mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] the real test is scanning greens. the eye is most sensitive in that

Re: Canon/Nikon/Tamron

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 08:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Informed sources whose jobs would be in danger if they were named. But also anyone who's worked in a camera shop and had the opportunity to hold the Tamron

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Jack Davis
Mark, any idea why the inkjet chemist person was, seemingly, pessimistic? Jack --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] This news story is interesting in that it refers to Kodak's digital business as

Re: question about primes: 100/2.8 and 135/2.8 FA (D)

2005-08-26 Thread Frankie Lee
Hi How about the performance of M100/2.8? -- __ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.asiamail.com Send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I need to clarify some of this.: When I was in Rochester last weekend I checked in with my friends who work at Kodak. The ones who work in the division that makes imaging chips seemed fairly optimistic but everyone else was absolutely gloomy. First

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, any idea why the inkjet chemist person was, seemingly, pessimistic? Not specifically, but then it may not have been anything specific. This long, slow attrition at Kodak has really killed morale there, even, I suspect, amongst people whose jobs are

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 08:57 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Thanks for spelling edit! Embarrassed, but grateful.:-) Do you have a more optimistic view about the life of positive color film? No. Consumers are using digital for what they used to use it for. Pros are all using digital.

Re: Canon/Nikon/Tamron

2005-08-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 09:23 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: To clarify: The only ones I've actually had in pieces were a Nikon 70-300 (or 75-300) and the corresponding Tamron. Absolutely identical internally and externally. It's possible that Nikon has changed to sourcing some lenses from

Re: RE: PESO:Another Thinker

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri PM 01:11:41 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: PESO:Another Thinker Subtle. I like that. I'll change my mail signature to Tim. Mostly subtle, on second thoughts, I wont. There is a link at the page gråskala, it makes

Kodak: Funny quote

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
From last year on the PDML: I think lens wipes is the one area Kodak will continue to dominate. - Tom Van Veen -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri PM 01:37:49 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] This news story is interesting in that it refers to Kodak's

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Not specifically, but then it may not have been anything specific. This long, slow attrition at Kodak has really killed morale there, even, I suspect, amongst people whose jobs are relatively safe. Incidentally, I think pessimistic

Re: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread mike wilson
From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri PM 01:38:04 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes Mark, any idea why the inkjet chemist person was, seemingly, pessimistic? Jack For all the extra shooting most digitalista do, most of

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, as long as they buy the print I'm not picky... I think this is an area where the photographic industry has dealt itself a severe, if not mortal, blow. If you give Mr Mrs Sixpack (who _do not care_ about quality) a way to look at their pictures for

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Jack Davis
Mark, So will I. Please pass along RIT(?) gleanings as possible. Jack --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I need to clarify some of this.: When I was in Rochester last weekend I checked in with my friends who work at Kodak. The ones

Re: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Jack Davis
Still seems to me to be a market that will enjoy robust growth for some time. Jack --- mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri PM 01:38:04 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes Mark,

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go into a mass marketer that sells inkjet printers and count how many Kodak printers you see for sale. In almost all cases it will be zero. Look at inkjet paper and you'll see some Kodak packages, but that is such a competitive market that I don't think

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread R.C.Booth
Yee ha! I don't have to bother getting prints to see my photos any more! No more boxes of prints to store! I suspect a lot of regular consumers (not all of them) feel this way, too. Having boxes of prints to store is a hassle. Perhaps they'll regret it years down the road, after a major hard

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throws

2005-08-26 Thread Jack Davis
I have to pass along one more endearing film experience; My now 41 year old daughter who, when asked to suggest some High School graduation gifts, immediately named, a good camera. She received a Pentax K1000 w/M-50mm f/1.7 (I believe)and has since added short and medium Pentax zooms. Must mention

RE: OT: Cheesy song remakes

2005-08-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
And you've the nerve to attach your name, address, and phone to this LOL You've ruined my morning coffee! Shel [Original Message] From: Daniel J. Matyola Some cheesy song remakes: Inna-Gouda-Vel-Veeta Let it Brie Ricotta Get Out of This Place Cheeses Christ Superstar Your

RE: Canon/Nikon/Tamron

2005-08-26 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A more correct word would be apparent, not obvious ... sheesh! Shel [Original Message] From: Bob Shell On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 08:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Informed sources whose jobs would be in danger if they were named. But also anyone who's worked in a camera shop

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Bob Shell wrote: Look at inkjet paper and you'll see some Kodak packages, but that is such a competitive market that I don't think anyone is making much money from it. There are just too many companies supplying inkjet paper. Bob I don't know about that. Supposedly it's what kept

Re: BW On A DSLR

2005-08-26 Thread Doug Brewer
Yeah, Tom Payne had some of these at GFM last weekend. They look interesting. Bob Shell wrote: Have a look: www.warmcards.com I've used these for several years. Bob

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: R.C.Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] The average digital consumer probably isn't going to print all his shots anyway, just a few of the ones he needs or considers keepers So, there is the potential for less consumer paper use with digital even though there is

Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot

2005-08-26 Thread Doug Brewer
oh, Lord, we're trying to =attract= people to the NPW. Let's not threaten them with having to listen to me. Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anyone who hasn't yet attended a Grandfather Mountain Nature Photography weekend take note: If you meet Doug in person

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Which is why I expect that someone will manufacture BW film in the future. I'm fairly certain that the supply curve for film is U shaped. It doesn't have to be produced it extra huge quantities to be economical. I also expect there will be color film stock made for quite some time as well.

Re: Pancakes for Breakfast

2005-08-26 Thread Adam Maas
Av button next to the Shutter. Hold it down and rotate the wheel. Pretty much standard on the various single-wheel cameras now (Nikon and Canon do the same thing on their current single-wheel cameras) -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: How would one set the aperture when using the lens manually,

Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot

2005-08-26 Thread Adam Maas
mike wilson wrote: From: Cesar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/08/26 Fri AM 02:21:46 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot mike wilson wrote: From: Cesar [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) I was sitting in a UH-1 with the doors open as we did a 'map of the

Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot

2005-08-26 Thread P. J. Alling
I'm sure you have a melodious voice. Doug Brewer wrote: oh, Lord, we're trying to =attract= people to the NPW. Let's not threaten them with having to listen to me. Mark Roberts wrote: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anyone who hasn't yet attended a Grandfather Mountain Nature

Fw: Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread John Likes
Seems like the lack of printing is one of the major advantages. You don't have to mess with prints and mailing them to friends and relatives, you just e-mail them. I do agree with a prior poster though that the biggest loss will be preservation. Grandma's 20-year old stash of prints in the

Re: Canon/Nikon/Tamron

2005-08-26 Thread Adam Maas
Nikon (And Canon) both have used several outsourced manufacturers for their consumer lenses. Nikon's 70-300's are Tamrons, Cosina has also done some for them (The FM10 and it's kit are Cosina, as was the old EM and possibly the Series E lenses). -Adam Bob Shell wrote: On Friday, August 26,

Re: Printers (was Why full frame?)

2005-08-26 Thread Adam Maas
The HP's are excellent printers, but don't sell the Epson's short, they've mostly solved the clogging issue, and there's a cheap fix for the more modern printers (Windex on a wipe under the heads). I'm printing 3K BW on a HP 7660 and BO on a Epson C86 and quite happy with both. The HP does

Re: Survey: Your Most Unusual Shot

2005-08-26 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/25/2005 11:00:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marnie, that's a question deserving multiple answers! My most unusual shot: would have to be a commission to photograph a dog's grave for it's owner, who had had to leave it behind when she returned to

Re: The Nature of Film's Final Throes

2005-08-26 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/26/2005 6:47:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not specifically, but then it may not have been anything specific. This long, slow attrition at Kodak has really killed morale there, even, I suspect, amongst people whose jobs are relatively safe.

RE: RE: PESO:Another Thinker

2005-08-26 Thread Tim Øsleby
You did? There where three links in the post. The main link was to Another Thinker, the first one was a site giving a bit background to the picture (about the spot and the maker of the sculptures), the last one was just a reminder. That’s the one you commented ;-) In my reply I assumed it was the

Re: OT: Cheesy song remakes

2005-08-26 Thread Bob Shell
On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 09:07 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Some cheesy song remakes: And don't forget these enduring classics: Bye Bye Swiss American (cheese) Pie? My Provalona? (Sharonna) Cheese, Cheese Me? (Please Please me) I wanna Ricotta Roll All Night (and Havarti ever-y

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