Re: PESO: Perched Too

2016-02-04 Thread Jack Davis
Much more pleasing composition! J Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > K -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: OT: Elucidating the fundamental differences between Photoshopped and "Real"

2016-02-04 Thread Bulent Celasun
Darren, I liked reading your rant, sentiments, whatever you might call it. They are almost exactly like my feelings... And I manage to ignore my inconsistency while doing digital B images. My planned resolution is to start doing something entirely (eh, almost!) the old, analog way. I am sure,

Re: PESO: (Un)Wired

2016-02-04 Thread Igor PDML-StR
I remember reading a joke that advertised a device preventing burning food while cooking: when it senses smoke, it turns off the wi-fi in your house. Mark Roberts Wed, 03 Feb 2016 08:09:21 -0800 wrote: John wrote: And a sad commentary on them at that, that you can't even get away from

Re: PESO: Perched Too

2016-02-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:08 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > I'd actually crop out the lower left cutting off about half the space > between him and the left and between him in the bottom. This would put the > front of his body rather than the back of it on the "one third" line.

Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

2016-02-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
I could never buy one of those - they don't say they've been carefully curated. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI B > On 4 Feb 2016, at 21:45, P.J. Alling wrote: > > I got an email from B Photo that prominently featured this... > >

As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

2016-02-04 Thread P.J. Alling
I got an email from B Photo that prominently featured this... http://tinyurl.com/zl32xds Now I'm as into camera bling as the next guy, but this is just ridiculous, and outrageously over priced as well. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality

Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

2016-02-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI I LOVE that video! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: OT: Elucidating the fundamental differences between Photoshopped and "Real"

2016-02-04 Thread steve harley
On 2016-02-04 8:37 , Igor PDML-StR wrote: And going even deeper, - photography is a counterfeit of painting.. Cheating. Using some weird chemistry instead of real paints... "counterfeit" has a connotation of intending to deceive; one could say photography is a counterfeit of seeing, but i

Re: PESO: The Mermaid at the Beach

2016-02-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Womer wrote: > Intriguing, lovely lighting, but I'd love to see more of the subject. Thanks, Rick, for your generous comments. I plan to show more of this particular sculpture, as well as the artist in work on this piece, and perhaps

Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

2016-02-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Um, what "whole set"? I never buy soft releases. Total waste of money for me. Even the cheap ones. I've been given a dozen of them over the years and always give them away. Artisan firewood? I don't have a fireplace, and I live where I only need to turn on the heat for two-three weeks per

Re: PESO: Perched Too

2016-02-04 Thread Larry Colen
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Thanks, Ann. Perhaps the story I wanted to tell was not the best one photographically, but seeing him perched there motionless for about half an hour made an impression on me I wanted to convey. I guess it doesn't work, however. It does not matter whether it works

Re: OT: Elucidating the fundamental differences between Photoshopped and "Real"

2016-02-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
So … Simulating something isn't bad when you do it, but it's wretched when others do it. Hm. I don't use stuff like "Silver Efex 2". That's using someone else's expertise to simulate a look of film. To me, that's a cheap cheat—artificial and sterile. I have no interest in "simulating film",

Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

2016-02-04 Thread Larry Colen
P.J. Alling wrote: I got an email from B Photo that prominently featured this... http://tinyurl.com/zl32xds Now I'm as into camera bling as the next guy, but this is just ridiculous, and outrageously over priced as well. Are you kidding? In order to buy the equivalent for a high end

Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

2016-02-04 Thread Darren Addy
Waiting for Godfrey to tell us he's already collected the whole set. :) On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI > > I LOVE that video! >

Re: PESO: Perched Too

2016-02-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Ann. Perhaps the story I wanted to tell was not the best one photographically, but seeing him perched there motionless for about half an hour made an impression on me I wanted to convey. I guess it doesn't work, however. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On

Re: PESO: Perched Too

2016-02-04 Thread ann sanfedele
The thing is...when you see someone perched on that high and somewhat dangerous perch , with or without camera in hand, there is a certain evisceral reaction, I imagine ( Had I been there, I would have fretted, probably felt a bit of vertigo) but visually the elements just are not as

Re: As if there wasn't enough expensive stuff to buy

2016-02-04 Thread Toralf Lund
On 04/02/16 15:44, P.J. Alling wrote: I got an email from B Photo that prominently featured this... http://tinyurl.com/zl32xds Now I'm as into camera bling as the next guy, but this is just ridiculous, and outrageously over priced as well. Well, I don't know, one has to consider what you have

Re: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

2016-02-04 Thread ann sanfedele
Bulent, I like the image - though perhaps would like it more with a bit less space at the top, not bothered by the foreground blur because it leads to the sharp center. ann On 2/4/2016 3:52 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: Ken, Jack, Thank you both for your comments. I know that the presence of

Re: PESO - Black Cat

2016-02-04 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Ann. Yeah - she does shed a lot On 2/3/2016 11:17 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: I see a lot of potential hairball problems there... Nice photo ann On 2/2/2016 3:08 PM, Mark C wrote: I was testing an old Argoflex TLR yesterday and had to pull out a partially exposed roll of film when

Re: PESO - Black Cat

2016-02-04 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Darren - I'm not sure what the equivalency for this lens would be, but wide open (and also on an extension tube) it is very soft except in the center with next to no DOF. Very sharp when stopped down, though. On 2/3/2016 1:23 AM, Darren Addy wrote: That's a lovely image. That 105mm

PESO 2016 - 032 - GDG

2016-02-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
When you have come to know all the trees by name, in every season, you know the park. https://flic.kr/p/DEr5EZ enjoy, G The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO: Perched Too

2016-02-04 Thread Rick Womer
I agree with Larry. Definitely an improvement, though. Rick On Feb 4, 2016, at 3:08 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> A slightly reworked version on the image in my previous post. >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18183273=lg >> K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 >> Comments

Re: PESO: The Mermaid at the Beach

2016-02-04 Thread Rick Womer
Intriguing, lovely lighting, but I'd love to see more of the subject. Rick On Feb 4, 2016, at 2:23 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > This sculpture is a work in progress, behind the artist's home on the > Maui Coast: > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18183274=lg > K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 >

Re: PESO: Perched Too

2016-02-04 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > It does not matter whether it works for us. The question is, does it work > for you? Yes; otherwise I would not have taken it, processed it and shown it here and elsewhere. I thought this image could stand on its own, but

Re: PESO: (Un)Wired

2016-02-04 Thread John
Don't have facebook to check, but if you can't disconnect, there's no point in calling it a vacation. On 2/3/2016 8:38 AM, David Parsons wrote: Not everyone wants to disconnect from the world when they are on vacation. There isn't anything forcing you to check your facebook updates when you

Re: OT: Life in engineerland

2016-02-04 Thread John
I think he was making a humorous comment. On 2/4/2016 12:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote: P.J. Alling wrote: Requires special installation tools, most individuals probably don't own. I suppose you could always rent them... On 2/3/2016 9:12 PM, Philip Northeast wrote: What's wrong with an optical

Re: PESO 2016 - 032 - GDG

2016-02-04 Thread Igor PDML-StR
John, the trees don't change their names as seasons progress... The memory might... :-P) Igor John Thu, 04 Feb 2016 08:44:19 -0800 wrote: On 2/4/2016 9:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: When you have come to know all the trees by name, in every season, you know the park.

Re: PESO - Black Cat

2016-02-04 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Dave! On 2/2/2016 11:24 PM, David Mann wrote: That's lovely. Cheers, Dave On Feb 3, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Mark C wrote: I was testing an old Argoflex TLR yesterday and had to pull out a partially exposed roll of film when it stopped advancing - figured I shoot

Re: OT: Elucidating the fundamental differences between Photoshopped and "Real"

2016-02-04 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Darren, I understand your thoughts and doubts... That's the situation for when things are not Black and White (and they almost never that way, unless you used a B film or converted it ;-) ). Everybody draws the line where he/she chooses. That's what's called "Art". But seriously, let me

Re: OT: Automobile Trivia

2016-02-04 Thread John
On 2/3/2016 7:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: This may be of interest to some here; https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BycOAx-X2IssM3BWdnd0U2RmX1E/view?usp=sharing Please let me know if the link works. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola I got the Bonnie & Clyde

Re: Interesting info on the SR & differences of Pentax models

2016-02-04 Thread Darren Addy
https://goo.gl/0I5FAP :) On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 9:49 AM, John wrote: > I don't know how much credence to invest in the writings of anyone who > doesn't have the "patients" to proof-read before hitting send. > > On 2/3/2016 3:30 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >> >> Found this post

Re: OT: Life in engineerland

2016-02-04 Thread Nolan Hinshaw
On Feb 3, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Philip Northeast wrote: > What's wrong with an optical fibre backbone? With the added pull strings in the cable runs, it's an easy enhancement. -- "Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!" >From Wolfgang Pauli, perpetrator of the Pauli Exclusion Principle

Re: OT: Enablement... 4x5 monorail view camera

2016-02-04 Thread Darren Addy
The 135/235 arrived today and the shutter would only cock twice before refusing to cock again. So it is being returned. Sort of intrigued by the Ysarex you mentioned. Will have to keep my eye open for one. On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > Thanks for

Re: OT: Life in engineerland

2016-02-04 Thread Nolan Hinshaw
On Feb 3, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > Get wifi. It's available as a layer atop what Larry described.. Just add a wifi router to a hub at the end of one of those copper runs. -- "Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!" >From Wolfgang Pauli, perpetrator of the Pauli Exclusion

Re: PESO: Model A Woody

2016-02-04 Thread John
On 2/3/2016 10:26 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 2/3/2016 7:25 AM, John wrote: On 2/3/2016 1:05 AM, Darren Addy wrote: We were smack dab in the middle of Winter Storm Kayla yesterday (to use the Weather Channel's vernacular) and it was one of the most impressive blizzards that we've had for many

Re: OT: "Stand development" of B film

2016-02-04 Thread Darren Addy
I understand and I believe you, but there is still an impracticality to something that needs to be viewed that way to have an impact. I'm of an age that remembers the wonder of transparencies in stereo... they were called Viewmaster and you used to be able to get cameras that would allow you to

Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

2016-02-04 Thread John
On 2/3/2016 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney wrote: Thanks PDML for all the responses. You've managed to muddy my waters even more than they already were. Glad we could be of service. 8-D -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML

Re: I hate to come off like some paranoid, delusional conspiracy theorist...

2016-02-04 Thread John
I don't have many photos up there, so it would be no great inconvenience to me, but I would miss the easy access Flickr provides to the National Archives photo collections. Still, I expect that if the worst should happen, the government will be able to find some other way to make those photos

Re: OT: Life in engineerland

2016-02-04 Thread John
You *NEVER* want to be that installer. Trust me! On 2/3/2016 10:01 PM, Philip Northeast wrote: Hire an installer to implement the engineering plans? Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au On 4/02/2016 1:26 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Requires special installation tools, most individuals

Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

2016-02-04 Thread John
On 2/3/2016 3:01 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney wrote: Thanks PDML for all the responses. You've managed to muddy my waters even more than they already were. Wait till you ask cats questions. Dave I thought we agreed to redirect

Re: OT: "Stand development" of B film

2016-02-04 Thread John
On 2/3/2016 2:01 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 3 Feb 2016, at 15:15, Darren Addy wrote: [...] I understand that properly exposed chromes are amazing, but I never have understood the appeal of a chrome as the medium. Pass the slide viewer... ooh! I realize that there was a

Re: Interesting info on the SR & differences of Pentax models

2016-02-04 Thread John
I don't know how much credence to invest in the writings of anyone who doesn't have the "patients" to proof-read before hitting send. On 2/3/2016 3:30 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Found this post informative over at DPReview: "Many people don't realize that it takes 0.58 sec for the SR to spool up

Re: PESO: (Un)Wired

2016-02-04 Thread John
On 2/3/2016 6:19 PM, Bill wrote: On 2/3/2016 8:01 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: John wrote: And a sad commentary on them at that, that you can't even get away from the internet by laying around on the beach in a tropical paradise. You can get away from the internet anywhere in the world. All it

Re: PESO 2016 - 032 - GDG

2016-02-04 Thread John
On 2/4/2016 9:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: When you have come to know all the trees by name, in every season, you know the park. https://flic.kr/p/DEr5EZ enjoy, G The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it. I never really thought about the trees changing

Re: OT: Life in engineerland

2016-02-04 Thread Nolan Hinshaw
On Feb 3, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > Darren Addy wrote: >> The problem was throwing more than one engineer in there. Once you >> have more than one engineer, you are no longer engineering a solution >> you are playing a game of "Who's the Alpha Engineer". This phenomenon >> is not

Lens Re-coating

2016-02-04 Thread Bipin Gupta
This is a public service on my part in case some of you have scratched lenses, worn hard coating or etched glass due to fungus. Note this man is not a Lens or Camera Repair Shop. He owns an Optics Factory manufacturing Lenses, Mirrors, Prisms, Filters etc. He does nor accept the full lens as he

Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

2016-02-04 Thread P.J. Alling
On 2/4/2016 10:29 AM, John wrote: On 2/3/2016 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney wrote: Thanks PDML for all the responses. You've managed to muddy my waters even more than they already were. Glad we could be of service. 8-D Wait, we didn't convince him to buy something. -- I don't want to achieve

Re: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

2016-02-04 Thread Ken Waller
I can live with the OOF back leaf, but the front OOF leaf is distracting to me. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Bulent Celasun" Subject: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall Natural light.

Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

2016-02-04 Thread WILSON MICHAEL
> On 04 February 2016 at 15:31 John wrote: > > > On 2/3/2016 3:01 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ed Keeney wrote: > >> Thanks PDML for all the responses. You've managed to muddy my waters > >> even more than they

PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

2016-02-04 Thread Bulent Celasun
Natural light. Ricoh GXR A12 module. A toned monochrome. https://celasun.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/bamboo-leaves/ Comments appreciated. Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/

Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

2016-02-04 Thread Ken Waller
Wait, we didn't convince him to buy something. Maybe a new Nikon or Canon ;-) Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "P.J. Alling" Subject: Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4) On 2/4/2016 10:29 AM, John

Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4)

2016-02-04 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "WILSON MICHAEL" Subject: Re: Lens Thoughts (DA 17-70 f4) On 04 February 2016 at 15:31 John wrote: On 2/3/2016 3:01 PM, David J Brooks

Re: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

2016-02-04 Thread Jack Davis
What Ken said. J Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Ken Waller wrote: > > I can live with the OOF back leaf, but the front OOF leaf is distracting to > me. > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > - Original Message

Re: PESO : Bamboo Leaves / La Valse Kendall

2016-02-04 Thread Bulent Celasun
Ken, Jack, Thank you both for your comments. I know that the presence of blurry foreground objects can distract many viewers. Still, that same "defect" seems to help adding some depth to this particular image for me. The central spike might have been to... (?) obvious / overt / dominating,

Re: PESO: Perched Too

2016-02-04 Thread Larry Colen
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A slightly reworked version on the image in my previous post. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18183273=lg K-5 IIs, DA 18-135 Comments invited. Much improved. I'd actually crop out the lower left cutting off about half the space between him and the left and

Re: OT: Life in engineerland

2016-02-04 Thread Bob W-PDML
Probably a question best addressed to your chiropractor. B > On 4 Feb 2016, at 02:13, Philip Northeast wrote: > > What's wrong with an optical fibre backbone? > > Philip Northeast > > www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au > >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List