Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-23 Thread Boris Liberman
On 2/22/2013 2:04 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: This all brings to mind the often-quoted: The difference between theory and practice is greater in practice than in theory. I've pixel-peeped all the K-5IIs hi-rez images I could find, compared them to the same scene shot on fully-AA'ed machines where

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-23 Thread Boris Liberman
From what I've read about new Nikon camera (D7100, isn't it?), its sensor is made by Toshiba and not Sony. In fact, although probably convenient to Pentax, this arrangement with 1/2 year delay between OEM introduction and availability to Pentax is probably doing Pentax serious harm on the

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-22 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 February 2013 10:58, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I shared that link 8 days ago in the Last call for K-5 thread, but it elicited no comments, which surprised me, a bit. I saw the link when it was

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-22 Thread Bryan Jacoby
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: I wish he had provided raw files for the tree scene, and preferably files from twin cameras (D800/D800E or K-5 II/IIs) (I found it odd, for example, that the red and cyan patches were so large, in terms of the number of

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-22 Thread Bryan Jacoby
Here's an apples-to-apples comparison of a star test pattern from the D800/D800E: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=65927.msg523744#msg523744 Keep in mind that these are unsharpened. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Darren Addy
This is apparently from the March issue of Nippon magazine (pg 179) Google translation of discussion thread. http://translate.google.com/translate?twu=1?sl=jatl=enu=http%3A//s.kakaku.com/bbs/K416049/SortID%3D15794099/ or http://goo.gl/No5uD The translation is hard enough to read. But the K-3

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
I assume that would be an APS-C successor to K-5. Full frame is probably at least a year away. On Feb 21, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: This is apparently from the March issue of Nippon magazine (pg 179) Google translation of discussion thread.

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: This is apparently from the March issue of Nippon magazine (pg 179) Google translation of discussion thread.

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Bryan Jacoby
I am surprised that the D7100 is only being made without an AA filter (unlike D800/E and K5 II/s). I hope this isn't contagious. (I suppose the same is true of the 645D, but that's not really a mainstream product.) On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu,

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised that the D7100 is only being made without an AA filter (unlike D800/E and K5 II/s). I hope this isn't contagious. Moire already seems to be pretty rare on the K-5 IIs and D800E by most accounts, and

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Bryan Jacoby
I agree that it will be a practical problem very rarely given the pixel pitch. But I think that is another way of saying that the sensor is over-resolving what the lens, etc. can do. Which I think is another way of saying what you're mostly getting is bigger files, not more real detail in the

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it will be a practical problem very rarely given the pixel pitch. But I think that is another way of saying that the sensor is over-resolving what the lens, etc. can do. Which I think is another way of

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Bryan Jacoby
I think we're thinking about slightly different things. I agree with what you say about visible moire, but I'm also thinking about non-moire aliasing artifacts. These still represent (in my mind at least) a corruption of the image, but they are not easily visible in the image (without comparison

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Darren Addy
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing in here will be news to you, but I found this recently (via PetaPixel) and thought it was pretty good (though admittedly it approaches from the all artifacts are bad even if you can't see them point of view):

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Bruce Walker
This all brings to mind the often-quoted: The difference between theory and practice is greater in practice than in theory. I've pixel-peeped all the K-5IIs hi-rez images I could find, compared them to the same scene shot on fully-AA'ed machines where available and have come to the conclusion

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Bruce Walker
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing in here will be news to you, but I found this recently (via PetaPixel) and thought it was pretty good (though admittedly it approaches

Re: New Japan rumors: 24MP K-3 in April, 645Dii in June

2013-02-21 Thread Rob Studdert
On 22 February 2013 10:58, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I shared that link 8 days ago in the Last call for K-5 thread, but it elicited no comments, which surprised me, a bit. I saw the link when it was first posted, I think it's a somewhat exaggerated result, I guess others thought

645DII

2010-04-28 Thread Warren Kato
It will same the same size sensor as the present camera but will be mirrorless with live view and a very short lens flange to sensor design allowing the use of any camera lens, and, yes, full frame Pentax 35mm lens. -- Warren There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread AlunFoto
2010/4/28 Warren Kato wkk...@gmail.com: It will same the same size sensor as the present camera but will be mirrorless with live view and a very short lens flange to sensor design allowing the use of any camera lens, and, yes, full frame Pentax 35mm lens. That may be the oddest,

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread eckinator
2010/4/28 Warren Kato wkk...@gmail.com: It will same the same size sensor as the present camera but will be mirrorless with live view and a very short lens flange to sensor design allowing the use of any camera lens, and, yes, full frame Pentax 35mm lens. Looking at the aspect ratio of the

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread P. J. Alling
On 4/28/2010 2:37 AM, Warren Kato wrote: It will same the same size sensor as the present camera but will be mirrorless with live view and a very short lens flange to sensor design allowing the use of any camera lens, and, yes, full frame Pentax 35mm lens. That would pretty much guarantee

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread P. J. Alling
On 4/28/2010 5:50 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/4/28 Warren Katowkk...@gmail.com: It will same the same size sensor as the present camera but will be mirrorless with live view and a very short lens flange to sensor design allowing the use of any camera lens, and, yes, full frame Pentax 35mm

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: eckinator Subject: Re: 645DII Looking at the aspect ratio of the 645 I assume the mount will be called Macro Four Thirds then? If it were true it would mean Pentax had once again not listened to Kennyboy: http://kenrockwell.com/pentax/645d/index.htm

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread eckinator
2010/4/28 William Robb war...@gmail.com: And his kid's eyes are too close together. I suspect he is married to his sister. Paddle faster. I hear banjos. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread eckinator
2010/4/28 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Kennyboy has his head firmly planted up his butt.  So what else is new? From what I hear, Fuji are developing a FF 645 digital back called Velvia-D for Contax. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread P. J. Alling
On 4/28/2010 1:43 PM, eckinator wrote: 2010/4/28 William Robbwar...@gmail.com: And his kid's eyes are too close together. I suspect he is married to his sister. Paddle faster. I hear banjos. Based on his taste in colors he's from Southern California, they don't play banjos

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread eckinator
2010/4/28 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Based on his taste in colors he's from Southern California, they don't play banjos there. I'm at a bit of a loss for an answer. Would a Dueling Tofu Banjos iPad App do the trick? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread Steven Desjardins
Thank God I looked at this thread. Carry on. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Warren Kato wkk...@gmail.com wrote: It will same the same size sensor as the present camera but will be mirrorless with live view and a very short lens flange to sensor design allowing the use of any camera lens,

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread P. J. Alling
On 4/28/2010 2:06 PM, eckinator wrote: 2010/4/28 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com: Based on his taste in colors he's from Southern California, they don't play banjos there. I'm at a bit of a loss for an answer. Would a Dueling Tofu Banjos iPad App do the trick? I'd almost

Re: 645DII

2010-04-28 Thread eckinator
2010/4/28 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Based on his taste in colors he's from Southern California, they don't play banjos there. I'm at a bit of a loss for an answer. Would a Dueling Tofu Banjos iPad App do the trick? I'd almost like to see that, almost. Real recognize real?