Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/15/2007 9:39:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK. I'm still a bit confused. I understand the tax part, but I'm struggling with it being used in conjunction with the word return. scratches head Cheers, Dave == Some people get money

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread mike wilson
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/04/16 Mon AM 02:08:33 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML Here we get a chance to fight for our money rather than just letting the government take it:-). Paul We have the same

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread David Savage
At 03:10 PM 16/04/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/15/2007 9:39:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK. I'm still a bit confused. I understand the tax part, but I'm struggling with it being used in conjunction with the word return. scratches head

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread Doug Franklin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, what we send them are tax forms. What they return are returns. I have not yet experienced a return. Actually, you have. It's called a return because they keep returning to take more of your hard-earned money. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread graywolf
Smart lady! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not yet experienced a return. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread graywolf
It is money people lend the government with no interest. In the US we have a federal income tax that is collected with payroll withholding by your employer. People declare less deductions than they are allowed and thus their tax is over paid. When they file their tax returns at the beginning

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread P. J. Alling
That's the assumption that makes it all a farce. None of it is the Government's money... graywolf wrote: It is money people lend the government with no interest. In the US we have a federal income tax that is collected with payroll withholding by your employer. People declare less

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML That's the assumption that makes it all a farce. None of it is the Government's money... Wrong. The government gets to decide how much of what you earn is their money, and then creates

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread David Savage
I understand the reason for taxation. I believe it's a necessary evil. What really gets my goat is the fact that: a) The government encourages people to save for the future so the social security system wont collapse in a heap when the baby boomers all retire start drawing their pension. But

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I calculated what the interest on my money would have been considering if I'd put the entire amount that the government owes me back into the highest return financial instrument I have available to me for an entire year ... it comes to $21. I guess for some people, that $21 is a make or

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread P. J. Alling
Your government does,. maybe. However that's not the theory behind ours. Practice has gotten very out of step with theory. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML That's the assumption that makes it all

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread graywolf
be another revolution... -graywolf William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML That's the assumption that makes it all a farce. None of it is the Government's money... Wrong. The government gets to decide how much

RE: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-16 Thread Bob W
[...] Whether the money belongs to them or not, philosophically, is irrelevant from a practical standpoint: government will take its tithe. Godfrey in case anyone is interested, Peter Singer (top philosophy dog at Princeton) has a brief discussion about this in his excellent book The

Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Eactivist
Well, I had had the DA 50-200 ordered at Adorama, but it was debatable when it would come. It showed in stock when I actually ordered it, but it got out of stock right after I ordered it. Frankly, I blame the list. ;-) We had just discussed the 50-200. I had asked about it and got replies

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread cbwaters
Bah, Taxes can wait... Oh, uh... no they cant ;) CW - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML Well, I had had the DA 50-200 ordered at Adorama, but it was debatable when

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
What ya mean? You have all the way to Tuesday Midnight to get 'em postmarked... ;-) G ... feelin' happy i got mine done a week ago ... On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:17 AM, cbwaters wrote: Bah, Taxes can wait... Oh, uh... no they cant ;) CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/15/2007 7:30:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What ya mean? You have all the way to Tuesday Midnight to get 'em postmarked... ;-) G ... feelin' happy i got mine done a week ago ... == I've never hated you for your photography. I've

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Russell Kerstetter
amen! On 4/15/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What ya mean? You have all the way to Tuesday Midnight to get 'em postmarked... ;-) G ... feelin' happy i got mine done a week ago ... On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:17 AM, cbwaters wrote: Bah, Taxes can wait... Oh, uh... no they

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Maris V. Lidaka Sr.
Since April 15th falls on a Sunday (today), tax returns would normally be due on Monday. But Monday is a holiday in Washington D.C., which makes it a 'national holiday' - meaning tax returns are due on Tuesday, April 17th (or file the Automatic Extension of Time to file Form 4868).

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread P. J. Alling
The list giveth. The list taketh away. So ends the lesson for today. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I had had the DA 50-200 ordered at Adorama, but it was debatable when it would come. It showed in stock when I actually ordered it, but it got out of stock right after I ordered it.

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... feelin' happy i got mine done a week ago ... I've never hated you for your photography. I've been magnanimous about that. But I sort of hate you now. About the same level of hate I have for my partner, I hope. He had his tax

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hmmm. My tax returns come out of the bank:-(. But I don't let the government hold my money :-). Paul On Apr 15, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... feelin' happy i got mine done a week ago ... I've never hated you for your

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I try to let them hold as little of my money as possible, but I always over-pay during the year by a little bit to make sure I don't have to come up with more cash at tax day. Takes the bite out of it to get even a little bit back. Godfrey On Apr 15, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread David Savage
At 04:42 AM 16/04/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... feelin' happy i got mine done a week ago ... I've never hated you for your photography. I've been magnanimous about that. But I sort of hate you now. About the same level of

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
Here we get a chance to fight for our money rather than just letting the government take it:-). Paul On Apr 15, 2007, at 10:05 PM, David Savage wrote: At 04:42 AM 16/04/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... feelin' happy i got mine done a

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 16/04/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we get a chance to fight for our money rather than just letting the government take it:-). Here too, however the fight is seriously biased towards the Government, particularly in the case of the implementation of retrospective tax

Re: Enablement -- Bad PMDL, Good PDML

2007-04-15 Thread David Savage
OK. I'm still a bit confused. I understand the tax part, but I'm struggling with it being used in conjunction with the word return. scratches head Cheers, Dave On 4/16/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we get a chance to fight for our money rather than just letting the