The Limited line was perhaps paying attention to some of us old K-mount
users, who love metal barrels, very high optically standards, good looks,
lasting quality. The *ist's are for the next generation, who want features
and specs and lifestyle products. A year or two ago, PDML'ers were actually
Pom Pom Pal? Whatta nickname. Fits, too.
Nobody has been as persistant on photo net
or rec.photo as Pal. Good for him.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Caveman
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
AmericanPhotomagazine)
Since when
If I had a theory about limited lenses, it would be that they were intended
for the Japanese market only. The Japs make lots of things they do not
export. Funny how they can't sell enough world wide to be profitable to
manufacture (according to some PDMLers), but it is profitable to sell them
Arnold wrote:
1.) The *ist D KNOWS when there is no lens in A position. It treats all lenses that
are not in A position equally. This is fine, as to enable stop down metering for all
such lenses (including srew mount and manual aperture k-mount lenses) there is no need
to distinguish between
Rüdiger wrote:
With the K-mount incompabilty Pentax is loosing their strongest marketing
argument.
REPLY:
This is a complete misunderstanding. The number of Pentax customers (as opposed to
users) who buy an slr with compatibility of more than 20 year old lenses are so few
that percentage is
Pål Jensen schrieb:
A screw mount lens will be stopped down when mounted. A K/M lens will be wide open regardless of aperture set on the lens. Hence, the camera need to stop down (with a motor) when metering with the latter. How does it know it is a K/M lens and not a screw mount lens?
REPLY:
Isn't it wide open metering a simpler solution? Theres an exposure bar in the finder;
if you set the aperture three stop from wide open, just dial in +3. Simple.
I fear that a camera manufacturer who release a camera where you have to activate the
DOF preview before metering and then note the
Hallo Pal,
I'm wondering that this group of k-mount user shall be that small. When I
read in dpreview, there are a lot of people who are writing, I will wait
for the great Pentax *istD, because than I can use my k-mount lenses.
If this group is that small why does Pentax make a software to
Another thing that crosses my mind with regard to
the *ist-D: Pentax's most advanced customers are
probably those most likely to own a few older K/M/Screw
lenses. Why would a company want to produce a _first_
digital SLR that alienates its most experienced users?
Who in his right mind wants to
Hallo Arnold,
every word is absolutly right from you.
I have the impression, Pentax has a software to prevent compability and
switch of the metering in M-mode (like on the Nikon F80).
I will cost no money at all to allow stop down metering in Av mode with Dof
or in M-mode. Funny, in the manual of
Rüdiger wrote:
It is the gred of Pentax from preventing using K-mount lenses, but it will
not pay, the people will go to Canon or Nikon.
REPLY:
Canon and Nikon are where they are because they gave a rats ass about users of more
than 20 year old lenses. If Pentax is going to survive they have
Lon wrote:
Another thing that crosses my mind with regard to
the *ist-D: Pentax's most advanced customers are
probably those most likely to own a few older K/M/Screw
lenses. Why would a company want to produce a _first_
digital SLR that alienates its most experienced users?
REPLY:
Firstly,
Dig a company report. Fabricated figures have no real meaning.
Pål Jensen wrote:
This is a complete misunderstanding. The number of Pentax customers (as opposed to users) who buy an slr with compatibility of more than 20 year old lenses are so few that percentage is not a useful way to measure
Pål Jensen wrote:
Canon and Nikon are where they are because they gave a rats ass about users of more than 20 year old lenses.
Canon is where it is because they invest in RD and come up with the
right product technology at the right time. The others try to imitate
them with a 2-3 years lag
Pål Jensen wrote:
Firstly, the premise is wrong. The most advanced Pentax users have replaced their 20 year old lenses long time ago.
Could you please define what an advanced Pentax user is, and do you
include yourself in that category ?
An advanced Pentax user is Pål Jensen.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please define what an advanced Pentax user is, and do you
include yourself in that category ?
An advanced Pentax user is someone who has their Pentax gear under glass
as museum pieces, and takes pictures with some other brand of cameras.
BR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please define what an advanced Pentax user is, and do you
include yourself in that category ?
Pål Jensen wrote:
[...]
Lon:
Who in his right mind wants to spend more bucks for a new
plastic lens to replace old workhorses that have better
build and very good optical quality?
REPLY:
I've replaced all my K (except one), M and most A lenses because the newer lenses
have
Pål,
Isn't it wide open metering a simpler solution?
Right, but with K- and M-lenses you need an aperture simulator coupling
ring to be able to have that. Without such ring (and I already accept
the absence of it on the *ist D as a fact) you can have metering only
for the maximum aperture
Rüdiger wrote:
you are absolutly right, it would be technicaly no effort to allow stop
down
metering with non A lenses, or metering in DOF mode an put it in the ML
memory.
Pentax has prevented this compability by perpose.
The people shall by new lenses, but that will not work. Pentax is loosing
Pål Jensen wrote:
Caveman wrote:
Could you please define what an advanced Pentax user is, and do you include yourself in that category ?
REPLY:
I was replying to post about advanced Pentax customers and I replied in this context.
Since you didn't answer the question, let me try again: could you
- Original Message -
From: Caveman
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
AmericanPhotomagazine)
Since when did Pentax appoint you as their spokesman ?
Perhaps he looks so good waving pom poms that they had to do it.
William Robb
Hi Pål and others
The future might bring a lot of Not Pentax Users who use UDSED PENTAX
stuff. From all the people who sell out their Pentax gear. Hell, I still use
Exaktas, Topcons, Rolleiflexes... Why? Because they are really great
cameras, of course. Just like some current and discontinued
William wrote:
I don't think any company can afford to alienate a customer base, especially
when it is an also ran who is introducing new for them technology to the
market place.
REPLY:
This requires that you have customer base worth providing for. The Pentax customer
base buy entry level
Jens wrote:
Any research about age of Pentax users/buyers - or buyers of digital cameras
above 1500-2000$?
Not even Nikon bothers with this sort of compatibility in the *ist D class and they
have a old user base incredibly much larger than Pentax. Digital attracks new buyers
to a large
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
AmericanPhotomagazine)
Most complains for the fun of it, it seems.
No, we complain because we are quality concious camera users who are
seriously pissed off that the camera
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
Subject: Re: Lens compatibility in perspective (WAS: Re: D-ist blurb in
AmericanPhotomagazine)
William wrote:
I don't think any company can afford to alienate a customer base,
especially
when it is an also ran who is introducing new for them
William wrote:
Earning a customer base worth providing for seems to be work that Pentax
isn't interested in taking on.
They may be on a fast track to oblivion if they stay the course.
I do have to wonder about those expensive FA and LTD lenses, and where they
fit into the entry level customer
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen
AmericanPhotomagazine)
The sorry fact is that most Pentax users are cheapshots regretable as it
is.
The really sorry fact is, Pentax themselves are responsible for this
regretable perception.
William Robb
Pål Jensen wrote:
Yes. It is because the aperture lever in the camera opens up K-mount lenses. The aperture lever is controlled by a motor and making K-mount lenses work it needs Frankenstein type of engineering making the camera recognising that it was not an A, F, FA or FA-J lens, not a screw
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