Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-28 Thread graywolf
For what it's worth, when I was a kid (mid-50's), the city of Detroit told the guy across the street that he could no longer keep his mule in his garage (since it had a dirt floor and a mule I guess technically it was a stable). Oh yes they made him put in a concrete floor with rat walls too.

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-27 Thread Rick Womer
Uphill in both directions through the snow! --- Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, that was like a 5MB drive made of about ten platters, each something like 10-12 across. Sprinkle some iron filings on the platter and you could almost read the bits with the naked eye.

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-27 Thread Bob Sullivan
And we had to shovel a path too! On 6/27/07, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uphill in both directions through the snow! --- Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, that was like a 5MB drive made of about ten platters, each something like 10-12 across. Sprinkle some iron

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-26 Thread Bob Sullivan
Of course, that was like a 5MB drive made of about ten platters, each something like 10-12 across. Sprinkle some iron filings on the platter and you could almost read the bits with the naked eye. Yeah, that's how we used to read 'em in the old days! I thought it was a pizza oven the first time I

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-26 Thread John Sessoms
On 6/25/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newest thing, is Frank now has his laptop and istD manual and fake Frank, so he'll be busy now.:-) fake Frank? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-26 Thread frank theriault
On 6/26/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newest thing, is Frank now has his laptop and istD manual and fake Frank, so he'll be busy now.:-) fake Frank? Ann sent me (inadvertantly, I believe) a bunny... cheers, frank --

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-26 Thread graywolf
I think that is his fuzzy white alter-ego that was at GFM, see folks photos. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- John Sessoms wrote: On 6/25/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-26 Thread David J Brooks
On 6/26/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newest thing, is Frank now has his laptop and istD manual and fake Frank, so he'll be busy now.:-) fake Frank? http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/GFM07/photo#5072643129669058962

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-26 Thread frank theriault
On 6/26/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip, fake Frank at the lens, slightly OOF and highlights burnt:-) 'Cause that's the way I usually am early in the morning on GFM! ;-) cheers -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-26 Thread ann sanfedele
David J Brooks wrote: On 6/26/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newest thing, is Frank now has his laptop and istD manual and fake Frank, so he'll be busy now.:-) fake Frank?

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-26 Thread David Savage
I kinda' like Mini knarF http://picasaweb.google.com/OzSavage/GFM/photo?authkey=X9x-3lo6KW0#5072224137494662306 Cheers, Dave :-) On 6/27/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/26/07, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/25/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OT: Home at Last

2007-06-25 Thread David Savage
G'day All, As the subject says I'm back from my 4 week North America sojourn. After almost 30 hours in transit it's good to be home. I have the rest of today tomorrow to get over the travel shock before I have to get back to the coal mine. I had a great time and took a heap of photos. I would

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Welcome home, Dave. The juiciest and most interesting BS just kicking up is the age old aperture simulator diatribe once again. Please contribute apace. ]'-) But seriously, check out Amita's gallery of photos from Iceland... http://sunny16.zenfolio.com/p434647948/ G On Jun 24, 2007,

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-25 Thread David J Brooks
Good to hear you had a good time and made it home safe. How was the Canadian Rockies.?? Newest thing, is Frank now has his laptop and istD manual and fake Frank, so he'll be busy now.:-) Dave On 6/25/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day All, As the subject says I'm back from my 4

Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread graywolf
Seems like folks here have a lot of hard drive problems, mine are very old and never a glitch. I did kick a drive when it was running once and it crashed (long story), since that was a 100 MEGAbyte drive so you can tell how long ago that was. And then there are all you people saying your RAID

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread Scott Loveless
graywolf wrote: Seems like folks here have a lot of hard drive problems, mine are very old and never a glitch. I did kick a drive when it was running once and it crashed (long story), since that was a 100 MEGAbyte drive so you can tell how long ago that was. And then there are all you

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread Paul Sorenson
redundant array of independent disks -p Scott Loveless wrote: RAID means redundant array of inexpensive disks, or something like that I think. My only experience with RAID is RAID 0 (which isn't really RAID, IMHO). One of the two SCSI drives refused to post one day. Lost it all. Doh!

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread Norm Baugher
Ridiculous Arrangement of Idiot Dipsticks graywolf wrote: And now the test, what did the acronym RAID originally mean? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread graywolf
Correct, inexpensive. That term came about back in the days when the norm was 80mb drums. Four 20mb drives were much cheaper at only $20K or so. Nowadays, it usually means independent. Yes, Scott. There really is no Redundant in a raid-0. Big fast, yes. Reliable, no. Should call it AIDS

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread mike wilson
graywolf wrote: Still I am interested in how often folks here have experienced hard-drive failure, and with which type of drive (IDE, SATA, SCSI, other), and anyone else's experience with RAID systems. Only drive I have ever had fail is a 10Gb IBM made on 22.04.99 - started clicking one

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread Mark Roberts
My hard drive horror story: Bought a Western Digital hard drive -- I forget the capacity but it was in the mid-90's so it was small by today's standards. Mid-capacity and mid-priced at the time. It worked fine for about 6 months then died completely. W-D provided (after I jumped through many

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread Bob Blakely
I bought one of the Western Digital 1.08 GB drives (IDE) when they first came out. I think it was '96 or '97 (cost me $300US). I kept attaching it to some machine or another as a second or third drive until it failed about 3 years ago with a spectacular screeching sound. No other hard drive has

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: Paul Sorenson redundant array of independent disks -p Scott Loveless wrote: RAID means redundant array of inexpensive disks, or something like that I think. My only experience with RAID is RAID 0 (which isn't really RAID, IMHO). One of the two SCSI drives refused to post one

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: graywolf In case anyone is interested I finally figured out just what that MTBF figure is. Not the number of hours the drive is designed to operate as most folks think*, but how many drives you can run and expect to have them fail on an average of one per hour. MTBF is misapplied

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread P. J. Alling
I was wondering when Norm would pop up. Norm Baugher wrote: Ridiculous Arrangement of Idiot Dipsticks graywolf wrote: And now the test, what did the acronym RAID originally mean? -- All dogs have four legs; my cat has four legs. Therefore, my cat is a dog. -- PDML

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread Bob Blakely
Read And Ignore Disk. Regards, Bob Blakely - A mother takes twenty years to make a man of her boy, and another woman makes a fool of him in twenty minutes. - Robert Frost From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Sadly I've had Seagate, Samsung, WD and Maxtor drives fail at one time or another. The only ones that failed under warranty were a Maxtor, and a Western Digital, both died within a few weeks of purchase. Maxtor said they'd replace the drive no questions asked. Western Digital needed an

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
I had a Western Digital drive fail as well. I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. I've had good luck with Maxtor. Several of them buzzing away on my system no. Four hard drive in all. The only others that failed were in-case drives that came with my Mac computers. Ugly little drives,

Re: Hard drive problems? (was Re: OT: Home at Last)

2007-06-25 Thread Doug Franklin
graywolf wrote: Still I am interested in how often folks here have experienced hard-drive failure, and with which type of drive (IDE, SATA, SCSI, other), and anyone else's experience with RAID systems. I've experienced nearly every type of failure on every brand and type of hard disk that's

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-25 Thread David Savage
Thanks Godders. Good to know that some things never change :-) Cheers, Dave On 6/25/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome home, Dave. The juiciest and most interesting BS just kicking up is the age old aperture simulator diatribe once again. Please contribute apace.

Re: OT: Home at Last

2007-06-25 Thread David Savage
On 6/25/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to hear you had a good time and made it home safe. Thanks Dave How was the Canadian Rockies.?? Wet. Alberta was having unseasonable rains. But I think mountains look really cool shrouded in clouds. It cleared up on the second day of my