Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-25 Thread brooksdj
I have read some of the comments on this photo Jostein, and i won't go there,but i think this is a great photo. Speaks volumns. Dave Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:14:55 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Words of wisdom, considering who is controlling the media these days. Problem with a statement like that, is that every special interest group or faction thinks that the media is being controlled by the enemy.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:14:55 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Words of wisdom, considering who is controlling the media these days. Problem with a statement like that, is that every special

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread dagt
] dato: 2005/03/22 ti AM 01:15:13 CET til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net emne: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:36:46 -0600, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, In the 50's, all of us kids played WAR. John Wayne was a box office hero in numerous war stories. My dad

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread arnie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dato: 2005/03/22 ti AM 01:15:13 CET til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net emne: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:36:46 -0600, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, In the 50's, all of us kids played WAR. John Wayne was a box office hero in numerous war stories

Re: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread m.9.wilson
From: arnie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi guys, As a religious jew, and being this picture is of religious jews, I'd like to point out something. I'm not sure when this picture was taken, but if it was taken recently the mostly likely explanation for the gun is simple. This friday (Saturday

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread mike wilson
Doug Franklin wrote: On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:15:55 +, mike wilson wrote: This is *not* the place for political discussion. Not guilty. I'm happy to discuss anything, anywhere, until consensus is to stop. The consensus around here for several years has been keep religion and politics off the

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread Graywolf
I did, however, consensus is just general agreement, not absolute rule. My comment was both humorous and gentle, and I apologised right there. It also mentions in the FAQ that it was often violated, but that most of us have the sense to shut up when someone goes off the deep end. My personal

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread Doug Franklin
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:39:20 -0500, Graywolf wrote: It seems that many of us are so sensitive to perceived insults, and weaknesses these days. Let's relax, no one says you have to read a thread you object to. Skip it and go to the next. And, my personal advice is quit letting the media tell

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread Marco Alpert
On Mar 23, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Graywolf wrote: It seems that many of us are so sensitive to perceived insults, and weaknesses these days. Let's relax, no one says you have to read a thread you object to. Skip it and go to the next. And, my personal advice is quit letting the media tell you how to

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread mike wilson
Graywolf wrote: I did, however, consensus is just general agreement, not absolute rule. My comment was both humorous and gentle, and I apologised right there. It also mentions in the FAQ that it was often violated, but that most of us have the sense to shut up when someone goes off the deep end.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Graywolf Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem And, my personal advice is quit letting the media tell you how to run your lives. Words of wisdom, considering who is controlling the media these days. William Robb

Re: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread Jostein
Scott Loveless wrote: Neither was Cassius Clay, but we don't bitch about him. This is rather politcally charged, don't you think? To which Frank replied: His reason for not going: No Viet Cong never called me a nigger still resonates (with me anyway). LOL. Not exactly politically discharging,

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread Peter J. Alling
I wrote off list to this bozo but I was not particularly threatening. If he took it that way, I will wash my hands of him. If he would like I will post my off list message, with one small excision. It was off list because I used a four letter word to get his attention. I will also post my

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/3/05, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm argumentative by nature. No say it's not true! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 09:47:21PM +, mike wilson wrote: [purely political posturing] This is *not* the place for political discussion. Yup, must keep things properly compartmentalized to protect

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem The word terrorist hadn't entered the popular lexicon. They were called freedom fighters back then. They only became terrorists when they changed sides. William Robb

Re: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Before leaving it, a point of correction: GWB isn't a Jr.) Are we talking family history or mental ability? William Robb

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread mike wilson
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 09:47:21PM +, mike wilson wrote: [purely political posturing] This is *not* the place for political discussion. Not guilty. I'm happy to discuss anything

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread mike wilson
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Before leaving it, a point of correction: GWB isn't a Jr.) Are we talking family history or mental ability? William Robb Watch it, William. You'll get savaged by the Allingator.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread pnstenquist
Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 09:47:21PM +, mike wilson wrote: [purely political posturing] This is *not* the place for political discussion. Not guilty. I'm happy to discuss anything, anywhere, until

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem The consensus here has long been to avoid political disucussions in general and cheap shots in particular. They almost always end in flame wars. Cheap shots are too much fun. Don't expect them to stop

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread pnstenquist
Children will be children. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem The consensus here has long been to avoid political disucussions in general and cheap shots in particular. They almost always end in flame wars. Cheap

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem Children will be children. http://www.canada.com/regina/leaderpost/subscribe/leaderpost_howtosubscribe.html William Robb

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread Cotty
On 22/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Children will be children You rang ? :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread ernreed2
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Before leaving it, a point of correction: GWB isn't a Jr.) Are we talking family history or mental ability? William Robb We're talking what the man's name actually is.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread Paul Stenquist
I knew that comment would wake somebody up. :-) On Mar 22, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Cotty wrote: On 22/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Children will be children You rang ? :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:15:55 +, mike wilson wrote: This is *not* the place for political discussion. Not guilty. I'm happy to discuss anything, anywhere, until consensus is to stop. The consensus around here for several years has been keep religion and politics off the list. It's

RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-22 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi William this website is *extremely* well made, have a look at the demo and how you can expand photos. Says nothing about the content, I did *not* read anything greetings Markus http://www.canada.com/regina/leaderpost/subscribe/leaderpost_howt osubscribe.html William Robb

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-21 Thread Bob W
Hi, She can't watch Casablanca? To Kill a Mockingbird? Raging Bull? No, no, and no. Nor Citizen Kane, for that matter. To her, colour is important. The absence of colour outweighs just about everything else; she can't see through it to the story beneath, because the lack of colour is

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Bob W
Hi, Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Then I can't wait to see what you do when you practice! Don't get me wrong, Jostein, this is a very powerful image, and a terrific (if depressing) photo. [...] Very strong image!! Yes, I completely agree. It wouldn't look at all out of place in

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Cotty
On 21/3/05, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Boys always play with guns and cars, and girls always play with dolls. Until they grow up a bit more when boys play with girls, usually in cars. And older still when boys play with guns. And finally, sadly, the boys play with dolls.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-21 Thread Cotty
She can't watch Casablanca? To Kill a Mockingbird? Raging Bull? No, no, and no. Nor Citizen Kane, for that matter. To her, colour is important. The absence of colour outweighs just about everything else; she can't see through it to the story beneath, because the lack of colour is so

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-21 Thread Jostein
settings, so they always have to be developed into TIFFs or JPEGs for sharing. Jostein. - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:20 AM Subject: RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant Every photo you see

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Jostein
Cotty wondered; http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 I like it. Maybe mono? Thanks mate. I tried mono, and it didn't appeal to me. Like Shel thinks BW, I'm stuck thinking in colour, I think. :-) Jostein

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-21 Thread Mark Roberts
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:25:57 -0500, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My wife, for example, won't watch a BW movie;snip Wow! That's a pretty extreme position to take. She can't watch Casablanca? To Kill a Mockingbird? Raging Bull? A Hard

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Jostein
: Gotcha - Jerusalem Fun pic, good grab. I'd rotate it to straighten a central vertical, then crop it tighter. But others may not agree. Paul Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 Thanks

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Cotty
On 21/3/05, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed: Now that you mention it, I don't understand how I could have overlooked the tilt myself. FWIW tilt in a pic like this adds character. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Frank, In the 50's, all of us kids played WAR. John Wayne was a box office hero in numerous war stories. My dad served in WWII and my uncle Bill was off in the Korean war. By the time we got to the late 60's, it was the Vietnam era... and I didn't want to play war anymore. We all grew up just

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Albano Garcia
Cool shot, I like composition and light, and very fresh, relaxed facial expressions. Congrats Albano --- Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 Thanks for

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-21 Thread Scott Loveless
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:41:13 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: regarding http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 I'd like to see this in BW, or with a slight sepia tone. People shoot too much color, perhaps

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread pnstenquist
Cotty opined: FWIW tilt in a pic like this adds character. Sometimes. But pictures like this -- with strong verticals -- are usually more pleasing without the tilt. I wouldn't want to say for sure without seeing it both ways. Paul On 21/3/05, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed: Now

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Graywolf
Veitnam War: All of the blood, guts, mud, and misery; none of the glory. Everyone learned from it except seemingly GWB, jr. (Sorry, I could not resist the tagline) graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Bob Sullivan wrote: Frank,

Re: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread m.9.wilson
From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 03:39:13 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem Veitnam War: All of the blood, guts, mud, and misery; none of the glory. Everyone learned from it except seemingly GWB, jr. (Sorry, I could

Re: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Scott Loveless
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:44:13 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 03:39:13 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem Veitnam War: All of the blood, guts, mud, and misery; none

Re: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:44:13 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 03:39:13 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem Veitnam War

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Peter Lacus
Jostein, Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 for me the boy on the right makes the shot (no pun intended). I can't explain why, I just feel it so. This shot probably would stand on its own even

RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-21 Thread Yefei He
: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In the thirties and forties color was VERY expensive and complex to shoot, and BW was used often

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread mike wilson
Scott Loveless wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:44:13 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 03:39:13 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem Veitnam War: All of the blood, guts, mud, and misery; none

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 09:47:21PM +, mike wilson wrote: [purely political posturing] This is *not* the place for political discussion.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Scott Loveless
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:18:20 -0500, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is *not* the place for political discussion. Thank you, John. As usual, someone else states my intention much more tactfully than I. My apologies for any incitement. -- Scott Loveless

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:36:46 -0600, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, In the 50's, all of us kids played WAR. John Wayne was a box office hero in numerous war stories. My dad served in WWII and my uncle Bill was off in the Korean war. By the time we got to the late 60's, it was

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-21 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:49:17 -0500, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Hard Day's Night?! They showed that at a theatre here in Pittsburgh last summer. I'd never seen it before and was really knocked out by how good a *film* it is! It's a ~great~ film!! Why, the Pentax content alone

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread pnstenquist
Frank, I have a big problem with what you've written below. You're completely wrong. The tilt hoovers vbg. Paul On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:36:46 -0600, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, In the 50's, all of us kids played WAR. John Wayne was a box office hero in numerous war

Re: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 10:56:05 -0500, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:44:13 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither was Cassius Clay, but we don't bitch about him. This is rather politcally charged, don't you think? By the time he was drafted, his name was Mohamed Ali,

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:06:08 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, I have a big problem with what you've written below. You're completely wrong. The tilt hoovers vbg. LOL I know, you aren't much of a tilt guy, are you Paul. All politics aside, photography is what counts,

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread pnstenquist
Frank wrote: I know, you aren't much of a tilt guy, are you Paul. I tilt every now and then, sometimes to the degree where I spill my coffee. But I attribute those occurances to senior moments. Paul

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank wrote: I know, you aren't much of a tilt guy, are you Paul. I tilt every now and then Me too, but only at windmills. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-21 Thread mike wilson
Scott Loveless wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:18:20 -0500, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is *not* the place for political discussion. Thank you, John. As usual, someone else states my intention much more tactfully than I. My apologies for any incitement. Did _you_ get a threatening

PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Jostein
Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 Thanks for looking. Jostein

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread mike wilson
Jostein wrote: Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 Thanks for looking. Was it real? Can't imagine that there's much of a cowboys and indians or cops and robbers culture there. Maybe a crop on

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread pnstenquist
Fun pic, good grab. I'd rotate it to straighten a central vertical, then crop it tighter. But others may not agree. Paul Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 Thanks for looking.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Jostein
Mike W. wrote: http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 Was it real? Can't imagine that there's much of a cowboys and indians or cops and robbers culture there. No idea, but the thought never really struck me that it could be. Since the pic is from a potential conflict area

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Cotty
On 20/3/05, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 I like it. Maybe mono? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Just rotating it a bit to straighten the verticals would require a little trimming. I don't think this pic can stand much more trimming as the environment adds considerably to the photograph. Perhaps a slight rotation and trim before it was cropped would be the way to go. Also, it seems that,

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
That's two of us on that account ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Cotty http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 I like it. Maybe mono?

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Joseph Tainter
Was it real? Can't imagine that there's much of a cowboys and indians or cops and robbers culture there. Scroll down below the picture and see the comment. I don't know if ones this young are allowed to have bullets. Pretty appalling if they are. Good catch, Jostein. OT: I visited Israel in

RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Markus Maurer
: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:55 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem Fun pic, good grab. I'd rotate it to straighten a central vertical, then crop it tighter. But others may not agree. Paul Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread pnstenquist
If I were to rotate it, I would fill in the gap at the bottom with the clone tool to avoid cropping the foot. I might even add a bit extra. It's a simple fill job. Paul Just rotating it a bit to straighten the verticals would require a little trimming. I don't think this pic can stand much

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread ernreed2
Quoting Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: regarding http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 I'd like to see this in BW, or with a slight sepia tone. People shoot too much color, perhaps because it's what they're used to seeing, or because it's simpler to do (esp in

RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Markus Maurer
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:41 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant Quoting Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: regarding http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 I'd like to see this in BW

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I did a QD convert to BW, and, to my eye, it looks better than in color. But then, I learned to shoot and process BW, I generally see in BW, and in many instances find color to be a clutter and a distraction in photographs. I like BW movies as well. Why? Well color photographs ~may~ be more

RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Every photo you see here has been processed on a computer and even the color pics have been adjusted. Is there really so great a difference between adding a hint of tone to a BW photo and adding saturation to color, or enhancing certain areas of a photograph? Or is a hint of sepia any different

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 05:05:50PM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote: We will not come to agreement on this. Nope. People are different. My wife, for example, won't watch a BW movie; the absence of colour really interferes with her ability to concentrate on the subject. I don't go quite that

RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Shel I agree with you and wrote it in one of my last emails that most of the first prints I receive today look oversaturated for me. BTW, which color film seems to be the most honest regarding color fidelity for you then? I'm sure **I** did not *absolutely* need a computer to make good photos

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Gotta laugh at that (not at you, John) for so often the comment made about BW photography is that it allows the viewer to concentrate on the subject without the distraction of color. When watching some movies on DVD, I turn off the color. Shel [Original Message] From: John Francis My

RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
In all honesty, Markus, I'm still learninmg about color film. I sorta like Fuji Superior for being neutral (not Reala), and Sensia and Provia seem OK, but not having tried many films, my opinion has little value. There were some nice color films, like Kodak Ektar and Supra 100 that seemed

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread John Francis
There was a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek there. But it's by no means uncommon to hear people going on about the rich tones in the print, etc., etc., and ignoring the actual subject. With BW movies, though, there are often other factors at work. Movies shot in BW used equipment without the

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Peter J. Alling
Some later films, notably of the film noire genre of starting in the late 30's into the mid 50's, eschewed color for artistic reasons. John Francis wrote: There was a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek there. But it's by no means uncommon to hear people going on about the rich tones in the

RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread pnstenquist
Among color negative films Portra NC is quite neutral. In all honesty, Markus, I'm still learninmg about color film. I sorta like Fuji Superior for being neutral (not Reala), and Sensia and Provia seem OK, but not having tried many films, my opinion has little value. There were some nice

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Just because someone extols the virtues of tonality does not mean that the subject is not paramount in their eyes. What do you mean at the time they were made? BW films are still made. You are mistaken about BW movies. Citizen Kane, for example, was made in what, 1941 or so? Watch that movie

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:54:36 +0100, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 Thanks for looking. Jostein Hmmm... I don't know what others think (as I

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:25:57 -0500, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My wife, for example, won't watch a BW movie;snip Wow! That's a pretty extreme position to take. She can't watch Casablanca? To Kill a Mockingbird? Raging Bull? -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:33:49 -0500, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some later films, notably of the film noire genre of starting in the late 30's into the mid 50's, eschewed color for artistic reasons. Certainly, even into the 70's and later, a very few films were shot in BW, and

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:46:55 -0800, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all honesty, Markus, I'm still learninmg about color film. snip To be honest with you, while there are many reasons that I shoot BW (which I won't bore this list with right now), one reason is that I'm still learning

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 Thanks for looking. Cool shot. Many things can be said about this one. I have a question to the honored community of PDML... Does anyone notice that two

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I'm hoping that this was a toy gun, but even if it was, given what we in North America are presented with on the news WRT violence and terrorism in Jerusalem and Israel, if kids are playing with guns, I find that very disquieting. Frank, I may be risking starting a flame here, but I hope

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
In the thirties and forties color was VERY expensive and complex to shoot, and BW was used often for cost reasons, not for artiustic concerns. This was true to a lesser extent in the fifties and sixties. Shooting color in its early years requirted incredibly bright, hot, and expensive lighting,

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Graywolf
OTOH, last week I watched the latest DVD incarnation of Casablanca. It was gorgeous, picture quality and sound wise, so I guess it was not the recording media that was the problem. The local cable station here plays lots of old BW movies, they are unwatchable no matter how you adjust the set.

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Casablanca has been restored for DVD. The original sound was nowhere near as good as that on DVD. If you want to see something really neat, rent The Day The Earth Stood Still and watch the Special Feature where they compare the original film with various restored incarnations. Shel

Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant

2005-03-20 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 10:47:41PM -0500, frank theriault wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:25:57 -0500, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My wife, for example, won't watch a BW movie;snip Wow! That's a pretty extreme position to take. She can't watch Casablanca? To Kill a

RE: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem

2005-03-20 Thread Jens Bladt
@pdml.net Emne: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem Not a shooting style I'm familiar with. Any and all comments are most welcome. http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694 Thanks for looking. Jostein