Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm okay with that. I wish the God people would follow our example:-). Paul On Feb 17, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 17 Feb 2006 at 19:12, Paul Stenquist wrote: My experience suggests that Godfrey is right on this one. The mathematical computations that try to predict digital

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
I was amazed to see how well perspective errors can be handled with simple PhotoShop operations. I only tried them after reading your comments here. What a joy it was to see for myself how simple and intuitive these tools are. Paul On Feb 17, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 17 Feb

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. I guess so but I don't feel so constrained these days, I shoot to scan so I can always combine any number of images to create the DOF that I require in the digital realm. This was one of the reasons

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Feb 2006 at 19:15, William Robb wrote: I want to get away from digital and get back into the darkroom. You could always get a used 5x4 8k film recorder/printer, they are cheaper than a good enlarging lens now :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Feb 2006 at 20:54, Paul Stenquist wrote: I was amazed to see how well perspective errors can be handled with simple PhotoShop operations. I only tried them after reading your comments here. What a joy it was to see for myself how simple and intuitive these tools are. There are a lot

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
Excellent results. It wold be interesting to compare a transformed fisheye pic to a corrected pic from a rectilinear lens of equal focal length. Paul On Feb 17, 2006, at 10:29 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 17 Feb 2006 at 20:54, Paul Stenquist wrote: I was amazed to see how well perspective

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-17 Thread John Celio
The DS2 has been in stock at numerous dealers in the US and in Canada, which last I heard was North America. So where have all these places (BH, Adorama, Beach, Buydig, Don's, McBain's, and at least a half-dozen other places) been getting these cameras that aren't supposed to be here?

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Jay Taylor
Ok, I'll put my newbie DSLR two cents in on this one. I could care less about a new body announcement at PMA. Actually, I hope there isn't one because number 1)I don't have the funds to get one right now, 2) I'm still trying to figure out how to fully utilize the DS and DL bodies capabilities

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
that they will have new SLR products to announce at Photokina 2006, NOT PMA. Products announced for PMA have been in the pipeline for 7-10 months at least. Just because they're going to focus on higher end cameras like SLRs doesn't mean they're going to dump every new product in the PS range. I'm

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
If BH says, notify when in stock, then the camera has not been discontinued. They're probably the number one seller of cameras in the world, and if they say they're getting more stock, you can be sure that Pentax has assured them that they're getting more stock. I'm not surprised that the

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Bob Shell
Everyone who is bemoaning the fact that this announcement only mentions point and shoot should remember two things. First PMA is for dealers. Dealers make their bread and butter from point and shoot, so to them this is very interesting news. Second, this is a photokina year. Camera

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread brooksdj
Which is why i have decided to give Nikon one more chance and have ordered a D200. Looking at April arivall. Keepin all my Pentax gear of course. You know Nikon's track record with moi.vbg Dave Not a good sign. Three new PS's, No word on a new DSLR

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Adam Maas
John, The DS2 is/was available in North America, it's Europe that didn't get it. I've held the DS2 in my hands, from an Authorized Pentax dealer, who gets their stock direct from Pentax Canada. Nice little body. Shel, I'll duck into Henry's today and see if they have any DS2's. They're

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread brooksdj
I was in Henrys last weekend, buying a Sigma 10-20, and i saw one on the rear display shelf. Also saw one at the Thornhill location when i was buying BW paper a few weeks ago. I would imagine they are still there. They push Canon and Nikon a lot harder. Dave

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi, Please don't check Henry's on my account. I no longer do business with them having had two bad transactions with them. Thanks for the offer to help out, though. Much appreciated. Shel [Original Message] From: Adam Maas Shel, I'll duck into Henry's today and see if they have any

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Adam Maas wrote: I'll duck into Henry's today and see if they have any DS2's. They're Canada's equivalent to BH and they're showing stock on the DS2 for $818USD on their site. Check them out at http://www.henrys.ca they do ship to the US (Half their site is set up to sell

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Please don't check Henry's on my account. I no longer do business with them having had two bad transactions with them. Oops! Kostas

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Don Williams
Talking about stock. The local Pentax distributor owes me a camera. When the *ist D arrived here last year the flash didn't work. I posted about this. They promised to replace it immediately but found they had no stock. On Monday I phoned and was told they'd just got some cameras from Spain

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks for the reminder carrot, Bob. =) Jack --- Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone who is bemoaning the fact that this announcement only mentions point and shoot should remember two things. First PMA is for dealers. Dealers make their bread and butter from point and shoot

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Jack Davis
said here and on every Pentax oriented forum for months that they will have new SLR products to announce at Photokina 2006, NOT PMA. Products announced for PMA have been in the pipeline for 7-10 months at least. Just because they're going to focus on higher end cameras like SLRs

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Adam Maas
Sorry to hear that. Henry's is by no means my favourite local store (they're local for me, the flagship store is about 2 minutes walk from work), but I've not had any bad transactions with them. They even gave me a free CLA on my MX because I bought the $20 extended warranty. -Adam Shel

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
If I hold my breath for an *ist D upgrade, my next probably won't be until 2007. Tom C. From: Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:43:38 -0500 I would be more

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
And your point is... ??? :-) Tom C. From: Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's funny, I do not see where anyone in this tread was saying gotta have new more better faster more now. The point I think we all were trying to make is that Pentax has really not done much to keep our

RE: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Jens Bladt
- Fra: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. februar 2006 17:21 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. And your point is... ??? :-) Tom C. From: Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's funny, I do not see where anyone in this tread was saying gotta have new

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:01 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Rather than being criticized, I think the brotherhood should be complimented for having shown incredible patience. Patience would be evidenced by a lot less bitching and moaning. Godfrey

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
Pre PMA announcment. Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:06:47 -0800 On Feb 15, 2006, at 7:45 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I think the DS and DS2 are great cameras. I bought one. Now, after being out less than a year, the DS2 has become scarce as hen's teeth. That is ~frustrating~ especially since I

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread mike wilson
in all of them (apart from Optios) was the Sigma 28-80/2.4 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:06:47 -0800 On Feb 15, 2006, at 7:45 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
an explanation that makes sense ... it would be nice to know what it is. Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 2/16/2006 8:37:42 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. You can't sell cameras if they aren't available to sell. A potential

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread brooksdj
: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 2/16/2006 8:37:42 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. You can't sell cameras if they aren't available to sell. A potential buyer will be easily swayed to another brand if the product is not available. That bodes ill

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Rick Womer
@pdml.net Date: 2/16/2006 8:37:42 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. You can't sell cameras if they aren't available to sell. A potential buyer will be easily swayed to another brand if the product is not available. That bodes ill, not well, as with less than 10

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Jack Davis
I'm referring to their continued allegiance to Pentax. Bitching and moaning simply demonstrate our loyal intent. Jack --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:01 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Rather than being criticized, I think the brotherhood should be

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
Some of us might just like to B Moan... Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:42:21 -0800 (PST) I'm referring to their continued allegiance to Pentax

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
from Willoughby's at the time. That taught me a little lesson that some of these big advertisers are just paper/web store fronts. Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread brooksdj
? I'm sure there's an explanation that makes sense ... it would be nice to know what it is. Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 2/16/2006 8:37:42 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. You can't sell cameras

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Tom C wrote on 16.02.06 19:01: I'm shocked that Pentax does not have at least a *visible* DSLR presence *consistently* in these major mass retailers. I would stick my neck out on the line and guess that by far the vast majority of camera sales (in the USA at least) are done in person at one

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] One never knows. As a matter of fact Olympus 4/3 DSLRs are much easier to spot here and there in Poland than Pentax. Same here!? Tom C.

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
By comparison, my local Fry's Electronics (two of them), CompUSA, and pro camera shop have both DL and DS in stock at present. The Fry's had a few D models still in stock as well. The local camera shop had four DS2s and they're all sold, they're waiting for the next shipment. Most of the

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:16:56 -0800 By comparison, my local Fry's Electronics (two of them), CompUSA, and pro camera shop have both DL and DS in stock at present. The Fry's had a few D models

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Yes. G On Feb 16, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Tom C wrote: I'm curious if they have them on display as well as in stock.

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread pnstenquist
-- Original message -- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm shocked that Pentax does not have at least a *visible* DSLR presence *consistently* in these major mass retailers. Really? Then you don't know much about marketing. The mass retailers buy only with big

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Perry Pellechia
Well, ummm... I think I forgot it 8-) On 2/16/06, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And your point is... ??? :-) Tom C. From: Perry Pellechia [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's funny, I do not see where anyone in this tread was saying gotta have new more better faster more now. The point I think we

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Perry Pellechia
On 2/16/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 7:01 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Rather than being criticized, I think the brotherhood should be complimented for having shown incredible patience. Patience would be evidenced by a lot less bitching and moaning. Godfrey

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
straight down like a lead balloon, but on the other hand I'm not sure it's staying put where most would like it to stay. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:09:43 +

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Dave Kennedy
to know what it is. Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 2/16/2006 8:37:42 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. You can't sell cameras if they aren't available to sell. A potential buyer

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Just stopped by the Wolf Camera between my contract's offices and the joint where I have lunch. They had the *ist DL and a selection of four Pentax lenses on the shelf too. Godfrey

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
With humor, do you really think that the divine is that interested in hearing bitching and moaning even if you are a loyal and faithful follower? If I were the divine, I'd change Reality to get the noisemakers to shut up. And I don't mean give them what they want... Godfrey On Feb 16,

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:39:37 -0800 Just stopped by the Wolf Camera between my contract's offices and the joint where I have lunch. They had the *ist DL and a selection of four Pentax lenses on the shelf too. Godfrey

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread pnstenquist
like a lead balloon, but on the other hand I'm not sure it's staying put where most would like it to stay. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:09:43

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Jack Davis
No problem for me. It expresses a passionate opinion that often validates mine. BTW, define devine. Jack --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With humor, do you really think that the divine is that interested in hearing bitching and moaning even if you are a loyal and faithful

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Tom C wrote: I may be one of the few that bought my *ist D, sight unseen. I tried to see it at one of the big photo magazine advertisers in New Jersey in Jan 2004, and they were going to have to get one from their warehouse and it would be available to see and touch and hold on Monday. As

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Steve Sharpe
It is a similar situation with Apple computers and was the same with the ipod a few years ago when they could not make enough to meet demand. These big mass market retailers demand a heavily discounted price before they will stock them and Apple refuses to go that route. They feel that it

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
It's a term for grape-picking. You didn't know that? Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:22:44 -0800 (PST) BTW, define devine. Jack

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
From: Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] They feel that it would cheapen the brand name. Unfortunately, I don't think Pentax suffers from that problem in the eyes of Joe Public. Tom C.

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Well, this seems like as good a spot as any to post this URL. Someone lurking on the list sent it to me. Essentially it says that the DS2 is discontinued. Personally, I have my doubts, but what the heck, may as well add another opinion to the conversation:

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 3:42 PM -0700 2/16/06, Tom C wrote: From: Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] They feel that it would cheapen the brand name. Unfortunately, I don't think Pentax suffers from that problem in the eyes of Joe Public. But perhaps in their own eyes they do. And you could probably say the same

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Steve Sharpe
I was in their store last month. Could not get served, which is probably just as well or else I would have bought the 50 f1.7 FA they had. :^) Henry's in north London also had the DL and the DS2. I played with the latter. IMO, the build quality is not a patch on my MZ-S which I had with

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
How can people converse like that and NOT be members of THIS list? :-) Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, this seems like as good a spot as any to post this URL. Someone lurking on the list sent it to me. Essentially it says that the DS2 is discontinued. Personally, I

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
From: Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 3:42 PM -0700 2/16/06, Tom C wrote: From: Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] They feel that it would cheapen the brand name. Unfortunately, I don't think Pentax suffers from that problem in the eyes of Joe Public. But perhaps in their own eyes they do.

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. If Canada can keep the DS2 in stock, why not Pentax USA? I'm sure there's an explanation that makes sense ... it would be nice to know what it is. Pentax USA isn't serving their market as well

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. I'm shocked that Pentax does not have at least a *visible* DSLR presence *consistently* in these major mass retailers. I would stick my neck out on the line and guess that by far the vast majority of camera

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:13:47 -0600 - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. I'm shocked that Pentax does not have at least a *visible* DSLR presence

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 4:21 PM -0700 2/16/06, Tom C wrote: From: Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 3:42 PM -0700 2/16/06, Tom C wrote: From: Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] They feel that it would cheapen the brand name. Unfortunately, I don't think Pentax suffers from that problem in the eyes of Joe Public.

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
Actually, I think you just reinforced my analogy with Apple (who have, what, a 4% market share for computers?). :^) Glad to help out. :-) But I am not saying that Pentax and Apple are peas in a pod. Apple clearly shoots for the high end. Pentax offers a range of products across the whole

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 16, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Jack Davis wrote: No problem for me. It expresses a passionate opinion that often validates mine. BTW, define devine. devine is not a word. --- divine adjective 1 of, from, or like God or a god : heroes with divine powers | paintings of shipwrecks being

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
... He is quite concerned that photography is now an extension of the home electronics industry. ... The business of buying and selling cameras and photographic equipment is quite different from photography. Who sells these items and how they make money are mostly irrelevant to

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Jack Davis
: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:22:44 -0800 (PST) BTW, define devine. Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Tom C
-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:22:44 -0800 (PST) BTW, define devine. Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. ... He is quite concerned that photography is now an extension of the home electronics industry. ... The business of buying and selling cameras and photographic equipment is quite different

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. I don't either, yet I suspect it's a fact of life that it's where most purchases are made. Unless something is fundamentally wrong with Pentax it behooves them to get their DSLR's in the arena where

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Charles Robinson
On Feb 16, 2006, at 18:36, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Jack Davis wrote: No problem for me. It expresses a passionate opinion that often validates mine. BTW, define devine. devine is not a word. I liked Tom's answer better. :-) -Charles -- Charles Robinson

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Jack Davis
What I meant was, as in the context of the divine (thanks for your thoughtful spelling correction) referenced by you as an entity offended by bitching and moaning. This, also, with humor. Jack --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 16, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Any god of your choice will do. It was an analogy. ;-) Godfree On Feb 16, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Jack Davis wrote: What I meant was, as in the context of the divine (thanks for your thoughtful spelling correction) referenced by you as an entity offended by bitching and moaning. This, also,

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread E.R.N. Reed
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. I don't either, yet I suspect it's a fact of life that it's where most purchases are made. Unless something is fundamentally wrong with Pentax it behooves them to get their DSLR's

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread Paul Stenquist
for a company with limited production capability. Paul On Feb 16, 2006, at 10:08 PM, E.R.N. Reed wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. I don't either, yet I suspect it's a fact of life that it's where most purchases are made

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-16 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: E.R.N. Reed Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. Personally, I'd prefer that they stay in the camera store market, stay small, and keep their integrity. But camera stores are getting kind of scarce. That is sad, isn't it? Think of the cachet

Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Perry Pellechia
Not a good sign. Three new PS's, No word on a new DSLR :( http://www.pentaximaging.com/footer/news_media_article?ArticleId=7402703 Actually the PS's look interesting but I thought Pentax said they were not going to focus on PS's. Perry

RE: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
This is very disappointing, although, just because Pentax has chosen to make an early announcement for three PS cameras doesn't preclude them from announcing a new DSLR at a later date or at the PMA show. However, like others on this list, I am becoming frustrated with Pentax. I'm now ready

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Perry Pellechia
an early announcement for three PS cameras doesn't preclude them from announcing a new DSLR at a later date or at the PMA show. However, like others on this list, I am becoming frustrated with Pentax. I'm now ready to purchase an istDS2 and none of the trusted sites that I'm comfortable buying from

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
to make an early announcement for three PS cameras doesn't preclude them from announcing a new DSLR at a later date or at the PMA show. However, like others on this list, I am becoming frustrated with Pentax. I'm now ready to purchase an istDS2 and none of the trusted sites that I'm comfortable

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Rick Womer
announcing a new DSLR at a later date or at the PMA show. However, like others on this list, I am becoming frustrated with Pentax. I'm now ready to purchase an istDS2 and none of the trusted sites that I'm comfortable buying from, nor Pentax USA, has the camera in stock

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Perry Pellechia
announcing a new DSLR at a later date or at the PMA show. However, like others on this list, I am becoming frustrated with Pentax. I'm now ready to purchase an istDS2 and none of the trusted sites that I'm comfortable buying from, nor Pentax USA, has the camera in stock

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I do not understand this gotta have new more better faster more now attitude. The rumors and supposedly informed folks have said here and on every Pentax oriented forum for months that they will have new SLR products to announce at Photokina 2006, NOT PMA. Products announced for PMA have

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Bob Sullivan
or at the PMA show. However, like others on this list, I am becoming frustrated with Pentax. I'm now ready to purchase an istDS2 and none of the trusted sites that I'm comfortable buying from, nor Pentax USA, has the camera in stock. There are places that claim to have the camera

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Perry Pellechia
that they will have new SLR products to announce at Photokina 2006, NOT PMA. Products announced for PMA have been in the pipeline for 7-10 months at least. Just because they're going to focus on higher end cameras like SLRs doesn't mean they're going to dump every new product in the PS range

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I checked that option. But I want a camera soon, not at some unspecified date down the line. The frustration is that the DL can be found everywhere, but not the DS2. It's the DS2 that I want ... Shel [Original Message] From: Bob Sullivan Like Paul says, notify when in stock or better

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I think the DS and DS2 are great cameras. I bought one. Now, after being out less than a year, the DS2 has become scarce as hen's teeth. That is ~frustrating~ especially since I don't know if the camera has been discontinued, if there's just a slowdown in delivery, or what. Even the sites

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread John Celio
However, if there is nothing coming soon to replace the DS2, and if in fact the DS2 is discontinued, then I will give serious consideration to moving away from Pentax. I ~never~ thought I'd say those words, but it's now something that I am considering, or at least thinking about. I feel let

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Bruce Dayton
have said here and GD on every Pentax oriented forum for months that they will have new SLR GD products to announce at Photokina 2006, NOT PMA. GD Products announced for PMA have been in the pipeline for 7-10 months GD at least. Just because they're going to focus on higher end cameras GD like SLRs

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Perry Pellechia Subject: Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment. That's funny, I do not see where anyone in this tread was saying gotta have new more better faster more now. The point I think we all were trying to make is that Pentax has really not done much

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread David Mann
On Feb 16, 2006, at 5:32 PM, John Celio wrote: By the way, when the D2 comes out, I call dibs on naming mine R2. You could buy a Ricoh R2 to keep it company. - Dave

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi John, The DS2 has been in stock at numerous dealers in the US and in Canada, which last I heard was North America. So where have all these places (BH, Adorama, Beach, Buydig, Don's, McBain's, and at least a half-dozen other places) been getting these cameras that aren't supposed to be here?

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 15, 2006, at 7:45 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I think the DS and DS2 are great cameras. I bought one. Now, after being out less than a year, the DS2 has become scarce as hen's teeth. That is ~frustrating~ especially since I don't know if the camera has been discontinued, if there's

Re: Pentax Pre PMA announcment.

2006-02-15 Thread Jon Myers
Yeah, the DS2 is in the US market. A local chain camera shop mentioned it coming in there soon... plus it's on the USA Pentax website (http://www.pentaximaging.com). --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, The DS2 has been in stock at numerous dealers in the US and in Canada,

Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)

2006-02-08 Thread Norman Baugher
Actually, they are trying to come up with a name for the new model that doesn't include an asterisk. Norm Tom C wrote: That's probably because Pentax just wants to keep it a big secret.

Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)

2006-02-05 Thread Christian
Jens Bladt wrote: Hmmm.. Pentax had a consumer base for the *ist D. People like us who already have many Pentax SLR lenses. Exactly. As I said it was released to compete with the D100 and 10D so they wouldn't lose the advanced amateurs to other brands. The D upgrade will not have too many

RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)

2006-02-04 Thread Jens Bladt
article on Digital Cameras (PMA) Tom C wrote: Pentax was also slow out the gate, but not as slow. Now though, they are slow in introducing an upgrade path to the *ist D. This can't be gaining them customers. Pentax is not trying to keep customers with an upgrade path. They seem more inclined

Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)

2006-02-04 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Jens Bladt wrote on 04.02.06 11:47: It almost seems that the original *ist D was thrown out there to shut us up. After all it was the feature-equivalent competitor of the then advanced amateur level camera like the D100 and 10D. Problem is they haven't given us a D200 or 20D competitor

RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)

2006-02-04 Thread Jens Bladt
and a *ist D2 at the same time. Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 4. februar 2006 12:11 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA) Jens Bladt wrote on 04.02.06 11:47

RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)

2006-02-04 Thread Cory Papenfuss
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Jens Bladt wrote: Hmmm.. Pentax had a consumer base for the *ist D. People like us who already have many Pentax SLR lenses. The D upgrade will not have too many buyers. This is a plausible reason for the consumer DSLR's that followed. The next digital upgrade is more likely

RE: OT: NYT article on Digital Cameras (PMA)

2006-02-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 4 Feb 2006 at 10:13, Cory Papenfuss wrote: I don't know that I'd agree. The -D is getting long in the tooth and it shows it (small buffer, blindingly stupid waste of space in RAW files, USB-1, etc). I would say there would be significant incentive to upgrade from any of the D

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