On Mon, 23 May 2005 12:12:28 +0800, Chan Yong Wei wrote:
> Forgive me if I seem to come across as being pedantic; but PGP
> itself isn't an encryption algorithim; it is a program that utilises
> encryption algorithims like AES/DSA to encode/decode stuff.
You are, of course, correct. I wasn't thi
Hi Doug,
Forgive me if I seem to come across as being pedantic; but PGP itself
isn't an encryption algorithim; it is a program that utilises
encryption algorithims like AES/DSA to encode/decode stuff. Given the
open-source model of PGP, and especially spin-off projects like GNUPG
(which is complet
>I'm a little out of touch with all of this, but AFAIK,
>depending on the key size and encryption algorithim you pick,
>it would still take current technology available to the
>governments decades or centuries to crack something encoded by
>PGP using DSA or AES right?
>
>On 5/20/05, Leon Mlak
Sort of like the guy seeing a friend at the airport back in the 70's and yelling,
"Hi Jack".
Sorry, old joke.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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Mark Roberts wrote:
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David Man
Well, this is all a matter of having some fun. I admit the one about the Old Galactics was made up on the spur of the moment. However, I also pointed out in an earlier post that the level of security you need in wiping files depends on whom you are trying to protect the data from.
A low level fo
On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 08:00:40AM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I just try to stop the opportunists - the determined burglar is going
> >to get what they want and stopping them is not worth the expense and
> >day-to-day inconvenience.
>
> This is exa
On Sat, 21 May 2005 23:21:08 +0800, Chan Yong Wei wrote:
> I'm a little out of touch with all of this, but AFAIK, depending on
> the key size and encryption algorithim you pick, it would still take
> current technology available to the governments decades or centuries
> to crack something encoded
I'm a little out of touch with all of this, but AFAIK, depending on
the key size and encryption algorithim you pick, it would still take
current technology available to the governments decades or centuries
to crack something encoded by PGP using DSA or AES right?
On 5/20/05, Leon Mlakar <[EMAIL PR
On Sat, 21 May 2005 09:13:57 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> At the airport recently I saw a large notice warning about not even
> making jokes about bombs or explosives while in line at security. I
> wondered what would happen if two people some distance apart had a loud
> conversation that went "Wh
You guys are gonna have the NSA, FBI & CIA all over this group!
At 06:13 AM 21/05/2005 , you wrote:
>
>"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>David Mann wrote:
>>
>>> On May 21, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
>>>
Anything involving thermite is fun. :-)
>>>
>>> Especially buyi
On 21/5/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>At the airport recently I saw a large notice warning about not even
>making jokes about bombs or explosives while in line at security. I
>wondered what would happen if two people some distance apart had a loud
>conversation that went "What gat
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>David Mann wrote:
>
>> On May 21, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
>>
>>> Anything involving thermite is fun. :-)
>>
>> Especially buying the stuff, I bet.
>>
>You don't buy it, it's a do it yourself project...
At the airport recently I saw a larg
You don't buy it, it's a do it yourself project...
David Mann wrote:
On May 21, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
Anything involving thermite is fun. :-)
Especially buying the stuff, I bet.
Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
--
A man's only as old as the woman he
David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just try to stop the opportunists - the determined burglar is going
>to get what they want and stopping them is not worth the expense and
>day-to-day inconvenience.
This is exactly the point: I'm just interested in thwarting
dumpster-divers who are aft
On May 21, 2005, at 7:24 AM, Graywolf wrote:
it is kind of like pick-proof locks. If someone can design it,
someone can figure out how to pick it.
This is basically the reasoning behind my own less-than-idealistic
security policy.
I just try to stop the opportunists - the determined burgl
On May 21, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
Anything involving thermite is fun. :-)
Especially buying the stuff, I bet.
Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
On Sat, 21 May 2005 00:27:12 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote:
> If you like destruction...
> >
> >Anything involving thermite is fun. :-)
Oh, but I _do_. :-)
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
If you like destruction...
Doug Franklin wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2005 13:53:51 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote:
If I needed that kind of security I'd pack my drives in thermite.
Anything involving thermite is fun. :-)
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
--
A man's only as old as the woman he feels
On Fri, 20 May 2005 13:53:51 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote:
> If I needed that kind of security I'd pack my drives in thermite.
Anything involving thermite is fun. :-)
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 04:49:01PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Dumping a computer in the ocean might work too (after formatting the drive).
Not for a while. Disk drives are sealed to keep out dust, so you'd need
to eat through much of the outer container before water could get to the
ma
In a message dated 5/20/2005 12:29:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did you hear the one about super-novas being a result of the Old Galactics
trying to destroy data unrecoverably?
graywolf
===
Cute. ;-)
Dumping a computer in the ocean might work too (after for
That works pretty well if you get a chance to set it off (grin).
Did you hear the one about super-novas being a result of the Old Galactics
trying to destroy data unrecoverably?
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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P. J. Alling
Wow, I would not recommend just a nail, pound the platters to bits then melt
the bits.
And the folks who think that memory is 100% overwritten should not get involved
in treason or plots to assassinate heads of states. It can hold ghosts of data
for a long time. The problem is sorting out the di
Yes, computers leave here w/o hard drives. CDs, DVDs, 3.5s pass
throught the shredder on the way to the waste basket. Hard drives,
memory devices, leave here after being properly stroked with a 10+ pound
sledge.And, then for those that might have sensitive data on them,
we
If I needed that kind of security I'd pack my drives in thermite.
Cotty wrote:
On 20/5/05, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:
If that's what they told you, they sold you a load of shite. The
forensic recovery techniques for hard drives rely on the mechanical and
thermal drift of the hea
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Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Paranoid question of the week...
Doug's right. But more: I have filmed at one of the world's leading
information recovery services here in the UK, where they specialise in
data recovery.
<http://
On 20/5/05, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed:
>If that's what they told you, they sold you a load of shite. The
>forensic recovery techniques for hard drives rely on the mechanical and
>thermal drift of the heads (and therefore tracks) over time. It's
>highly unlikely that a series of w
On Thu, 19 May 2005 13:32:06 -0400, P. J. Alling wrote:
>I understand the issues with CF card longevity. A secure erase say once
>a week is unlikely to noticeably effect the life of my cards anyway.
>I'm more likely to lose them before they wear out in any case. I'd
>rather find a utility so
On Thu, 19 May 2005 22:36:46 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> I have one called FolderBurn. You can set it to overwrite files enough
> times that they're not recoverable to anyone (provided you have the
> patience - it can take a while to overwrite big files enough times).
If that's what they told yo
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To:
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: Paranoid question of the week...
Ok, so you've got your CF card, you copy the images from the card to
you hard drive and create a CD/DVD/whatever backup. Delete all the
files on the card and the data is still the still recov
Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, the fornistic types claim they can now copy files from a hard drive
>that has been rewritten multiple times and bulk erased. So if you need
>real data security I recommend total distruction of the drive.
>
>There used to be a utility that would track w
In a message dated 5/19/2005 9:34:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ok, so you've got your CF card, you copy the images from the card to you
hard drive and create a CD/DVD/whatever backup. Delete all the files on
the card and the data is still the still recoverable. Suppos
CF memory doesn't retain any trace of the prior bits. plain zero filled file
is enough to completely and unrecoverably erase a CF card.
Herb...
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From: "Graywolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Paranoid
On 19 May 2005 at 15:34, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> LOL ... yeah ... C++ as a scripting language. :-)
>
> I used to teach C++ programming and worked with the Apple compiler
> teams for their releases of the gnu C family compilers from 1999 to
> 2004. I never liked programming in C++: prefer to u
Norton WipeDisk or equivalent. write a single file with all zeros that fills
the disk would be the equivalent, on a CF card.
Herb
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From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: Paranoid question of
On May 19, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
My script language of choice is C++ :).
But then again, this is how I earn my bread...
LOL ... yeah ... C++ as a scripting language. :-)
I used to teach C++ programming and worked with the Apple compiler
teams for their releases of the gnu C fami
CF cards are a bit different than magnetic devices, there should be no
residual memory if they are working correctly.
Graywolf wrote:
Well, the fornistic types claim they can now copy files from a hard
drive that has been rewritten multiple times and bulk erased. So if
you need real data securi
>From: Graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:28 PM
>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>Subject: Re: Paranoid question of the week...
>
>Well, the fornistic types claim they can now copy files from a
>hard drive that has been rewritten multiple times
Well, the fornistic types claim they can now copy files from a hard drive that has been rewritten multiple times and bulk erased. So if you need real data security I recommend total distruction of the drive.
There used to be a utility that would track write 1's, then 0's, several times, after whi
My script language of choice is C++ :).
But then again, this is how I earn my bread...
--
Boris
On May 19, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I just created a utility like this in 4 minutes with AppleScript on
Mac
OS X and checked it with a data recovery utility. All I get from the
data recovery effort is random noise back from the last iteration of
the write loop. It's pretty efficien
> I just created a utility like this in 4 minutes with AppleScript on Mac
> OS X and checked it with a data recovery utility. All I get from the
> data recovery effort is random noise back from the last iteration of
> the write loop. It's pretty efficient, takes only about thirty seconds
> to run o
Well, it's remarkably easy to create a "secure erase" utility:
1: create a 512K file with all zeros or random noise.
2: write a script that iterates three times through
- delete all files on a volume
- write successive copies of the reference file, appending something
to
the file name eac
I understand the issues with CF card longevity. A secure erase say once
a week is unlikely to noticeably effect the life of my cards anyway.
I'm more likely to lose them before they wear out in any case. I'd
rather find a utility someone else has written to do a secure erase than
write one m
On May 19, 2005, at 9:33 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Ok, so you've got your CF card, you copy the images from the card to
you hard drive and create a CD/DVD/whatever backup. Delete all the
files on the card and the data is still the still recoverable.
Suppose you want to clean the card completely.
Ok, so you've got your CF card, you copy the images from the card to you
hard drive and create a CD/DVD/whatever backup. Delete all the files on
the card and the data is still the still recoverable. Suppose you want
to clean the card completely. I haven't been able to find a utility to
do th
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