Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-10 Thread David A. Mann
Aaron Reynolds writes: Gordon Willis talks about underexposing The Godfather Part II by six stops and sometimes more to make it washed out and colourless in the Vegas sequences, and also talks about underexposing by a couple of stops as a rule to defeat helpful lab people who try to brighten

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-09 Thread dave o'brien
A scroll of mail from Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:11:39 -0400 Read it? y Skofteland, Christian wrote: Can you imagine Janus Kaminski filming Schindler's List with digital video? George Lucas is filming Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones with digital. I sure

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-09 Thread Mark Roberts
dave o'brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron Reynolds wrote: Skofteland, Christian wrote: Can you imagine Janus Kaminski filming Schindler's List with digital video? George Lucas is filming Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones with digital. I sure hope the movie is better than the title.

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-09 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
Feature motion pictures are shot with negative film. The final release is on what is called print film it gives a positive tranparency. --graywolf dave o'brien wrote: Interesting. Is standard movie film closer to print film or slide film for latitude? -- Tom Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-09 Thread PAUL STENQUIST
If you'd like to try motion picture film in your still camera, you can buy it wound onto 35mm reels and packed in canisters from RGB studios in Hollywood, California, USA. (You can get their phone number. They're in the 323 area code.) They'll process it and print it as a positive film or on

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-08 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Mark D. wrote: Are you gonna use the Peizography software and inks or are you gonna work with the MIS Hextone inks? I hadn't decided yet. Lyson also sell a set of quadtone inks, again, no software. The Cone stuff is expensive, because of the software. I hear it's good, though. My

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-08 Thread Mark D.
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've had reasonable results making duotones with deep chocolatey browns and then printing them just with our colour inkset (after some tweaking). So far, for regular materials, this seems to be the best way. I guess I'll have to drop the money on a

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-08 Thread Mike Johnston
Mark D. wrote: My exploration into digital BW has not been very satisfactory. and Aaron responded: I haven't seen any samples that have wowed me; I had thought that maybe it was just because the people making the samples didn't know how to fully take advantage of the materials yet.

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-08 Thread Jostein Øksne
Trying to chase the future is futile. Holding back a little gives you room to breathe, and consider where the future is actually heading. :-) Best, Jostein who takes pride that he hasn't lusted for the MZ-s yet either...(but it's getting harder...) :-) - Original Message - From: Tom

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-08 Thread Mark D.
From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aaron and Mark, Check out: http://leicam2.home.texas.net/ You'll notice that George offers his prints for free. I requested some and he sent them to me. Although small, they're generally really excellent--the best look as good as 4x5 contacts. Very

Re: Spelling games (was RE: Slides vs digital)

2001-09-07 Thread Norman Baugher
Hey, someone had to clean up the language G Norm John Coyle wrote: snip It was only the somewhat demented Mr. Webster who decided, quite unilaterally, to alter the spelling of some words in his famous dictionary, which was then adopted as standard American spelling. - This message is from

RE: Spelling games (was RE: Slides vs digital)

2001-09-07 Thread Skofteland, Christian
-Original Message- From: John Coyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hey Christian, don't start this one again - we had a long series on this just recently! However, I might just remind you that the English language originated in England (not the Americas), and that part of it's

RE: Spelling games (was RE: Slides vs. digital)

2001-09-07 Thread Len Paris
: Spelling games (was RE: Slides vs digital) John Coyle writes: It was only the somewhat demented Mr. Webster who decided, quite unilaterally, to alter the spelling of some words in his famous dictionary, which was then adopted as standard American spelling. Yeah he made a few typos

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-07 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Mark Roberts wrote: What Mike spent on his setup is a lot less than some people spend for one camera or one lens. One should also take note of the fact that a lot of his gear can be used for printing scans of negatives or slides. I have a similar setup only with a film scanner instead of the

Re: Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-07 Thread David J Brooks
I use a program called ACDC and print out my thumbnails (from the D1)from this.I can manipulate the size and print them out on hi res Epson paper for viewing at shows.So far reactions have been positive Dave Begin Original Message My colour darkroom has been shut down.  My black and

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-07 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Aaron, Which inks are you using in the Epson printers? The 7500 uses the same pigment set as the 2000P. I haven't decided which monochrome inkset to go with yet for the 1200. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to

Re: Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-07 Thread Doug Franklin
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:23:00 -0400, David J Brooks wrote: I use a program called ACDC and print out my thumbnails (from the D1)from this.I can manipulate the size and print them out on hi res Epson paper for viewing at shows.So far reactions have been positive I think that's ACDSee, Dave.

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-07 Thread Mark D.
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] My colour darkroom has been shut down. My black and white darkroom is still quite active, for two reasons: 1) it's a pain in the ass to do a contact sheet digitally, 2) without a printer that has been converted for monochrome printing, digital black

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-07 Thread PAUL STENQUIST
I do my BW contact sheets digitally. I scan them on an Agfa Duoscan 2500 T we have at work and print them on an Epson 1200. Just fine for contacts. But my experiments with printing digital BW photos have been just so-so. The darkroom is still the best place for that. I have had good success

RE: Slides vs digital / Archiving?

2001-09-06 Thread Skofteland, Christian
-Original Message- From: Cory or Brenda Waters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Well I, for one, can lay my hands on CDs I purchased more than ten years ago in a few seconds whereas, I couldn't find my negatives from that timeframe in a week. The CDs work no problem but the

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-06 Thread Norman Baugher
I have, and one day I might actually get one. BUT, I would only use it for snaps to email, etc. I only shoot color now just for snapshots, the real joy in photography to me is Plus-X in my 6x7 followed up with a darkroom experience. I really enjoy the craft side of the art. So, yes, I might buy

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-06 Thread Skofteland, Christian
-Original Message- From: Robert Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What's not interesting about naked college girls? ;^) They are so young, so lacking in experience. They become much more interesting a few year later -- naked or clothed. Bob good point Christian Skofteland

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-06 Thread Tom Rittenhouse
Humm. Does the term neoluddite come to mind. Yepper, it surely does. You think things are going too fast? When I feel that way I think of my dad. When he was born automobiles (you could hardly call them cars) were a curiosity, the first airplane had not yet flown. Before he knew it the

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-06 Thread Jim Brooks
Mike Johnston wrote: by 2012 the river would be twelve feet long In January the temperature was 2 degrees C. In August it was 25 degrees C. If the temperature continues to rise at this rate then I would give the polar ice caps no more than 5 months. We're all doomed, doomed I say! Regards Jim

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-06 Thread Norman Baugher
Reminds me of a guy I met in business about 12 years ago. His specialty was twilight industries, those dying out. He ended up buying all the machines to press vinyl (albums) that he could, he was at that time the only company doing it in the US and cornered the (then small) market. Now he is

RE: Slides vs digital / Archiving?

2001-09-06 Thread Patrick White
Christian Skofteland writes: -Original Message- From: Cory or Brenda Waters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Well I, for one, can lay my hands on CDs I purchased more than ten years ago in a few seconds whereas, I couldn't find my negatives from that timeframe in a week. The CDs work no

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-06 Thread Mike Johnston
Dave wrote: If you know of something suitable let me know :) Dave, Check out: http://www.steves-digicams.com/e10.html That's not exactly it, but it's a pretty nice camera. BTW it's smaller than it looks in pictures, and it's almost affordable. --Mike - This message is from the

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-06 Thread Paris, Leonard
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital Dave wrote: If you know of something suitable let me know :) Dave, Check out: http://www.steves-digicams.com/e10.html That's not exactly it, but it's a pretty nice camera. BTW it's smaller than it looks in pictures, and it's almost

Spelling games (was RE: Slides vs digital)

2001-09-06 Thread John Coyle
Hey Christian, don't start this one again - we had a long series on this just recently! However, I might just remind you that the English language originated in England (not the Americas), and that part of it's vocabulary comes from the French. Therefore, French 'couleur' = English 'colour',

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-06 Thread Mark Roberts
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip That's really not all that much, given that you'd be discovering a whole new way of making images and starting to learn about the most revolutionary development in photography since Godowsky and Mannes invented Kodachrome in 1936. Let's face it, this

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Skofteland, Christian
]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital So just how rich are you? Much of what stays and goes is driven by cost. When film is less utilized, the price to produce will go up and the price to develop will go up. After a while

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread Skofteland, Christian
If it's not Jar-Jar it will be some other lame character Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: David A. Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 4:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Slides vs digital [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread Skofteland, Christian
: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 7:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs digital On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:55:12 +1000, you wrote: I really do not understand the comparison. Slides offer the highest resolution available in colour film. Start comparing digital to say 3200 negative film

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Pat White
My feeling is that film will always have the edge in resolution, since CCDs and other light sensors are electrical components with a certain minimum size, while film works on a molecular scale. I'm sure everyone has noticed that film continues to improve. The cost/availability factor is another

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread Anthony Farr
- Original Message - From: Lewis, Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) Movie film is on positive transparency film... (snip) Not so. As a general rule only amateurs and pre-video news gatherers used transparency films. Feature films are shot on colour negative and printed on

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread admin
I agree, I would also buy that 6 Mpix MZ-S lookalike, we have all seen the prototype of, for a reasonable price :-) But it will take a long while before it can come level with the good old slide emulsions, if ever in our lifetime. Not within our lifetime??? Try within a few years. Sooner if

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Jostein Øksne
Pat, I'll keep buying film as long it's there. :-) And I don't think film will die easily. Even if everybody wants their images to go digital in some way. Placing a CCD in a tabletop scanner is dead cheap compared to fitting one to a camera. Tech developments are bound to improve both type

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Skofteland, Christian wrote: Can you imagine Janus Kaminski filming Schindler's List with digital video? Actually, with the very best we've got today, if he had shot with DV after doing the same testing he would with film stocks, I'd bet we couldn't tell the difference. Funny story from a

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital So just how rich are you? Much of what stays and goes is driven by cost. When film is less utilized, the price to produce will go up and the price to develop will go up. After

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread Jostein Øksne
How real do people turn...? Silly question, sorry...:-) IMHO, the advance of digital photography is related to other issues than _just_ the advance of affordable technology. [enter rambling mode...] A great number of people will have a lot of pleasure in producing images digitally, view them

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital Sadly, the numbers are against us. The fact that it is slowly starting to happen is an indicator. I still disagree with this. Even if what Mike says about SLR users abandoning film in droves is true, the SLR

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread Gary J Sibio
At 05:15 PM 9/4/01 +0800, you wrote: Trouble is I've never played a (vinyl) record that didn't have the odd crackle or snap. If you can ignore that - then yes, it sounds surprisingly good. Film on the hand has no such artefacts (to my amateur eyes ;-)) so it should be able to put up a good

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Alexandre A. P. Suaide
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Mike Johnston wrote: Christian wrote: I don't think I'm alone on this one. If it were to get prohibitively expensive due to decreased demand then I guess I, along with just about every Nature/Wildlife photographer out there, would be SOL. I just don't believe

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread Jostein Øksne
Hi, Alexandre. You missed my point... It's easy for computer literals to convert between media. We eagerly await the future for another chance to convert our images to brave new technology...:-) My point was that the conversion task, and even the task of sitting down before one of them silly

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital Sadly, the numbers

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Alexandre A. P. Suaide Maybe we can have an idea. I don't know the prices but how much expensive is a super-8 film today when compared to 30 years ago. We should remember to take into account the inflaction of this period. Maybe the price will be almost

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital . If photofinishing becomes regulated as you say, I could see this being the thing that turns the masses to digital

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
So, where do we obtain books on creating our own paper emulsions for paper glass? That seems about the only way the craft will survive the next 2 decades. (and I'm serious!) Here's the future that I dread: Clubs of people in their 50s learning to mix chemicals for paper and plates. They

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Aaron Reynolds
William Robb wrote: I still disagree with this. Even if what Mike says about SLR users abandoning film in droves is true, the SLR user is not who is driving the film market right now. Compacts have outsold SLRs by about 10:1 over the past 15 years, and this is the market that is driving

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread Jostein Øksne
Absolutely! That was my point. According to Bruce Dayton (elsewhere in this thread) this is already happening. So if the memorycards of today's digital cameras fits tomorrow's digital labs, all will be well...? ...or? Bit sceptical still... Jostein -- Original Message

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Skofteland, Christian
William Robb wrote : What I find really stupid is all the talk about film being replaced by digital. Which was the point I was making in the first place! Granted I did not use the words stupid or moronic because I'm new to this forum and didn't want to offend anyone. ;^)

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Skofteland, Christian
Skofteland -Original Message- From: Collin Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital So, where do we obtain books on creating our own paper emulsions for paper glass? That seems about

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Paris, Leonard
--- -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital - Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital Sadly, the numbers are against us. The fact

RE: Slides vs. digital (sorry, long - and probably OT)

2001-09-05 Thread Robert Wetmore
There is one other aspect which may, for just a few folks, impede the total triumph of digital over slide film - even after the resolution, cost, and all other functional limitations are removed (which will of course happen very soon indeed): namely, the questionable authenticity of a digital

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Lewis, Gerald
of elitism and makes this group just that much less interesting. Jerry in Houston -Original Message- From: Skofteland, Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:24 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Slides vs. digital Collin Brendemuehl wrote

RE: Slides vs. digital (sorry,=2 0long - and probably OT)

2001-09-05 Thread admin
Robert Wetmore wrote: snip Very interesting and thoughtful views. I'll not buy a digital camera any time soon - I have no interest in simply the outward appearances of images. I think the notion that film/chemical images are more than just outward appearances of images in a way that digital

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread Cotty
My point was that the conversion task, and even the task of sitting down before one of them silly PC-boxes just to get an image on a piece of paper, that's not convenient technology in _most_ people's eyes. Jostein, I couldn't agree more! That's why I make it a lot easier on myself and sit

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The really ironic part of this scenario is that computers themselves are among the worst polluters now. They are a manufactured object, which eats up natural resources and energy resources to produce, then they eat up more energy resources in use, and then

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Mike Johnston
Sadly, the numbers are against us. The fact that it is slowly starting to happen is an indicator. Maybe, maybe not, because you can't extrapolate saturation. Mark Twain wrote a funny essay in which he calculated the rate at which the Mississippi river was getting shorter, as the result of

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
: Slides vs. digital Sadly, the numbers are against us. The fact that it is slowly starting to happen is an indicator. Maybe, maybe not, because you can't extrapolate saturation. Mark Twain wrote a funny essay in which he calculated the rate at which the Mississippi river was getting shorter

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Mike Johnston
...And now I have a slightly different tack to take than in my last message. How many of you who are railing against digital have actually TRIED digital? I mean recently, and in a way that gives it a fair chance? One of the common themes I encounter ceaselessly on the digicam forums is a great

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Len Paris
]]On Behalf Of Mike Johnston Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital ...And now I have a slightly different tack to take than in my last message. How many of you who are railing against digital have actually TRIED digital? I mean recently

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Slides vs. digital Snip How many of you who are railing against digital have actually TRIED digital? I mean recently

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Chris Brogden
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Bruce Dayton wrote: It has all the basic problems of a PS (Slow AF, delay on shutter firing, single lens) Just as a FYI, in case you didn't know, you can get screw-on adapters that expand the capabilities of the lens. Nikon makes a fisheye, wide-angle, and two telephoto

Re: Grainless at 3200 was: Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-05 Thread Harry Baughman
was: Re: Slides vs digital Message-ID: 3B95548E.22924.A74341@localhost In-reply-to: 004401c135b8$e0db2f40$d7bbfea9@markd X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4 Sep 2001, at 20:14, Mark D. wrote: From: tom [EMAIL

RE: Slides vs digital / Archiving?

2001-09-05 Thread Cory or Brenda Waters
Jostein wrote: There's no digital medium (or print) with a lifetime expectancy longer than a negative. Well I, for one, can lay my hands on CDs I purchased more than ten years ago in a few seconds whereas, I couldn't find my negatives from that timeframe in a week. The CDs work no problem but

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Robert Harris
Skofteland, Christian wrote: What's not interesting about naked college girls? ;^) They are so young, so lacking in experience. They become much more interesting a few year later -- naked or clothed. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to

Re: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-05 Thread Robert Harris
William Robb wrote: ...advantage lies with the incumbent technology, as it has a long and well proven track record of reliablilty. I guess that is true, that must be why the good old reliable horse and buggy still dominates transportation, and the new-fangled and imperfect automobile has

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Bruce Dayton
: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Slides vs digital Gary J. Sibio wrote: Vinyl actually produces better sound than CDs assuming it isn't damaged. You get overtones with vinyl that you don't get with CDs. Film will continue as long as it remains superior to digital

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Mike Johnston
Bob R. wrote: In order for digital to match conventional processes, the dynamic range must be increased and then the linear range must be translated to the standard S curve to give the gradations available to conventional film and print material. Think here of a d-max of greater that 6.0 and

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread tom
Skofteland, Christian wrote: I (and I'm sure most people on this list) do not agree. Print film, slide film, any film will not go away. He didn't say that. Digital imaging will never replace a photograph. This statement makes no sense. There is no substitution for the color

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Lewis, Gerald
. Jerry in Houston -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs digital There is no substitution for the color saturation and contrast of high quality color transparency film

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Martin Corro
Nenad Djurdjevic writes: As far as I know digital technology has no answer to slides. Does anyone know if digital technology can produce high resolution slides that can be projected? (and I don't mean via one of those projection TV systems). Hi, yesterday I was with a lab guy, and he told

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread tom
, it is only a matter of time before it comes down to the consumer level. Jerry in Houston -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs digital There is no substitution

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Skofteland, Christian
I believe even THAT digital wizardry is put on film before we watch it at the theater Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Lewis, Gerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:30 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Slides vs digital Think

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Lewis, Gerald
Sorry, it was in the original post you responded to...sorry Jerry -Original Message- From: tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs digital Hey! You misquoted, I didn't say that. tv Lewis, Gerald wrote

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread admin
]' Subject: RE: Slides vs digital Think of this next time you see one of those high tech computer generated digital movie spectaculars. I think they qualify as having high quality color saturation and contrast. That capability is certainly there for digital, it is only a matter of time before

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Lewis, Gerald
: RE: Slides vs digital I believe even THAT digital wizardry is put on film before we watch it at the theater Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Lewis, Gerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:30 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Slides

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-04 Thread Skofteland, Christian
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Slides vs digital Even if the digital images are transferred to film, if the resulting color saturation and contrast looks like film, then the digital image must have been that good in the first place for film to capture it. Furthermore, all-digital projection

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-04 Thread Rob Brigham
Crikey, dont start them on this one, we have already had vinyl/CD and cinema film/digital - lets not do video/DVD/film too! -Original Message- From: Skofteland, Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 September 2001 17:12 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Slides vs. digital

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-04 Thread Skofteland, Christian
, September 04, 2001 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Slides vs. digital And before any one argues the whole videotape vs. film issue let me say that video has replaced film in consumer markets but not in the motion picture and documentary industry. And that's one replacement that I can

RE: Slides vs. digital

2001-09-04 Thread admin
Only until digital becomes tenable from a cost standpoint (which will be a few--very few--years). I'll bet still chemical photography survives much longer than motion picture film. As Bill Casselberry pointed out, the resolution needed for motion pictures is lower than for stills. The material

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Cotty
I think that there may be some confusion here. May I add to it? And before any one argues the whole videotape vs. film issue let me say that video has replaced film in consumer markets but not in the motion picture and documentary industry. And that's one replacement that I can guarantee never

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread tom
At 12:50 AM 9/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: At 10:18 AM 9/3/01 +0100, you wrote: For your information, vinyl sales grew at a faster rate than CDs last year! There are now upgraded versions of CD with higher sampling rates to try and emulate vinyl more closely. If CDs were so perfect then SACD and

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread John Mustarde
On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:55:12 +1000, you wrote: I really do not understand the comparison. Slides offer the highest resolution available in colour film. Start comparing digital to say 3200 negative film. Don't read it here - go try it yourself. Digital is as good as 35mm film - right now - for

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread PAUL STENQUIST
Mike Johnston wrote: Hehee! Who said this? Somebody who hasn't printed digital yet, obviously. You can control the contrast and saturation of a digiprint to degrees not even conceivable on film. (snip) And it's even better when you start with film and digitize it on a high-end scanner.

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Mark D.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore, all-digital projection *is* coming. The most recent Star Wars movie was shot directly onto computer, then edited and assembled and put onto film for distribution. But a few places (with high-dollar equipment) displayed it digitally, so what the viewers

RE: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Peter Alling
: Skofteland, Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:14 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Slides vs digital I believe even THAT digital wizardry is put on film before we watch it at the theater Christian Skofteland -Original Message- From: Lewis

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread tom
At 06:18 PM 9/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:55:12 +1000, you wrote: Forget the technical arguments about pixel count vs resolution vs everything else. Yes, please...I have to laugh a bit when I read or hear people using suspect mathematics to prove that digital can't produce

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Mark D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore, all-digital projection *is* coming. The most recent Star Wars movie was shot directly onto computer, then edited and assembled and put onto film for distribution. But a few places (with high-dollar equipment) displayed it

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Anand DHUPKAR
yes, motion picture industry is a very valid point somehow we all have been missing so far. From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slides vs digital Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:52:33 +0100 I think that there may be some confusion

Grainless at 3200 was: Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread Mark D.
From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Imagine a completely grainless 11x14 shot at 3200... Hey Tom, Can you explain this to me. I have a hard time understanding why one would want a grainless 11X14 shot at 3200. When I think of of ISO 3200, I think nightime and grainy. What shooting condition are you

Re: Grainless at 3200 was: Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-04 Thread tom
At 08:14 PM 9/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Imagine a completely grainless 11x14 shot at 3200... Hey Tom, Can you explain this to me. I have a hard time understanding why one would want a grainless 11X14 shot at 3200. For the same reasons you'd ever want a grainless

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-09-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David A. Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: RE: Slides vs digital Rob Brigham writes: non sequiter snipped Most of the population use a plastic point shoot which they use for nothing

Re: Slides vs digital

2001-08-31 Thread Bruce Dayton
I don't think we all agree. Slides are hanging on, but by percentage it is much smaller than prints. I routinely produce slide shows using one of those LCD projectors. The average viewer is more than happy with the quality. I believe that projection of slides is near the end of it's life,