[Regardless of future technological developments, cameras with full-
frame sensors will always cost much more than [ ... ]
(Interestingly, the APS-H sensor of the EOS-1D MarkII N is the largest
size that can be imaged in one shot onto a wafer. [ ... ] ]
OK, obviously, they are trying to
My response in-line below.
On 8/30/06, Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Regardless of future technological developments, cameras with full-
frame sensors will always cost much more than [ ... ]
(Interestingly, the APS-H sensor of the EOS-1D MarkII N is the largest
size that can be
On 30.08.2006, at 13:14 , KEN TAKESHITA wrote:
Nevertheless, the point is the same. The photo sensor size is limited
by the max size of a given stepper which can be produced by a one shot
exposure. Canon also produce steppers and it appears that they have
invested a bit more dedicated
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From: KEN TAKESHITA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As Canon themselves admit, cameras with FF
sensors would be too big and heavy to carry. Cameras not carried
would be photos not taken.
They don't have to be as big. The Pentax 645D is in fact smaller and will
have twice
On 8/30/06 7:38 AM, Pål Jensen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They don't have to be as big. The Pentax 645D is in fact smaller and will
have twice the sensor. Canon make big camera because they sell better than
small ones according to their marketing philosophy (big is expensive; small
is cheap -
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From: Toralf Lund
Subject: Re: Full Frame/Canon (and their propaganda)
Really? *Someone* provided some info *somewhere* in the context of the
release of the Canon 5D that suggested it had actually narrowed quite
a
bit since the release of the 1Ds
I would like to point out that that white paper is gray at best. Its
purpose is not informational but promotional.
Another point is that if you do not have the tools to manufacture what
you want to sell, you eventually produce the tooling to do it. Put
another way, if you can not now produce
On 8/30/06 10:00 AM, graywolf, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to point out that that white paper is gray at best. Its
purpose is not informational but promotional.
I agree. It's very obvious in the way it is written. Nevertheless, a good
reading material :-).
Another point is that if
On 8/30/06, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/30/06 10:00 AM, graywolf, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another point is that if you do not have the tools to manufacture what
you want to sell, you eventually produce the tooling to do it. Put
another way, if you can not now produce the FF
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, K.Takeshita wrote:
I just do not want to become a pro, and have no talent either :-). MZ-S was
fine. But the paper is talking about 1Ds etc. No thanks to even 5D.
What is the comparison in dimensions between MZ-S and 5D/1Ds?
Kostas
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Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, K.Takeshita wrote:
I just do not want to become a pro, and have no talent either :-). MZ-S was
fine. But the paper is talking about 1Ds etc. No thanks to even 5D.
What is the comparison in dimensions between MZ-S and 5D/1Ds?
Kostas
A point of fact here. Having worked on these kinds of things, the last
being a robot to produce Cell Phone Repeaters (cost $1.5 million), I can
tell you that this kind of equipment is usually one-off. The are built
to customers specs one by one. They certainly are not production line
items. So
When there's a market, there's a way.
Tom C.
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
numbered.
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Subject: Re: Full Frame/Canon
On 8/30/06 12:28 PM, graywolf, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They certainly are not production line
items. So if you want one specific to producing large sensors you can
get one at little or no extra cost.
I am not an expert of course, but the stepper is pretty much a standard
fixture in any chip
On 8/30/06 12:42 PM, Tom C, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When there's a market, there's a way.
Invest first and create the market, or hype the market first and then
invest? :-).
Which are Canon doing?
Difficult call.
Cheers,
Ken
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Really? *Someone* provided some info *somewhere* in the context of the
release of the Canon 5D that suggested it had actually narrowed quite
a
bit since the release of the 1Ds, and that there was also a lot more
room for improvement. I think it said that the yield was up from 10%
to
25%
I also saw an article just a couple of days ago, stating that the cost
of FF sensor is 10 to 20 times larger than that of APS sized one and
it won't narrow. But I have a bad habit of not bookmarking. Maybe I
read it somewhere in this white paper. I will take a time to read it
more in
On 8/30/06 3:07 PM, Toralf Lund, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, I finally found where these descriptions were. [ ... ]
Anyway, here is what the Japanese article says;
1. yield from 8 wafer is 200/APS-C, 46/APS-H, 20/FF
2. number of LSI's on a single wafer is 1000~2000. If for example,
But the article went on to say (or perhaps began by saying) that it used
to be worse - around the time of the introduction of the first 1Ds only
5 to 10 of the 80 units would be usable. I don't know enough about IC
production to know for sure how Canon has managed to reduce the number
of
On 8/29/06 3:24 AM, Jostein Øksne, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AFAIK, many of the MedF digitals achieve larger sensors by combining
more than one CCD. When doubling the area of a sensor means a tenfold
increase in cost it makes me wonder what kind of potential there may
be for cost reduction in
On Aug 29, 2006, at 5:15 PM, KEN TAKESHITA wrote:
http://www.dialogen.no/foto/EOS_cameras.pdf
I'll look at it again when they get to 36 Mpixel. That's double the
resolution of the 10D, a worthwhile improvement. ;-)
Godfrey
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On 8/29/06 9:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll look at it again when they get to 36 Mpixel. That's double the
resolution of the 10D, a worthwhile improvement. ;-)
I chuckle too, but look at their pixel density of a couple of models,
most notably 6D and 50D (50D
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