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ril, 2018 3:29 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: PESO Gold > > Thanks Subash. > > Paul > >> On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:06 PM, Subash Jeyan <pdml.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> very nice Paul... >> >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:39:20 -040

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As I may have said earlier, this is a well composed, needle sharp shot! Very nice! J Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > Thanks Dan. The bird was clinging to a n upper branch of the bush so a > distant background made for

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Exquisite. I didn't receive your original post. Alan C -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist Sent: 17 April, 2018 3:29 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO Gold Thanks Subash. Paul On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:06 PM, Subash Jeyan <pdml.l...@gmail.com> wrote: ver

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Thanks Dan. The bird was clinging to a n upper branch of the bush so a distant background made for limited DOF with 630 mm focal length. Paul > On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > That is an excellent shot. Lots of detail and the DoF make the bird

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That is an excellent shot. Lots of detail and the DoF make the bird really stand out from the background, with a 3D feeling. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I get a lot of

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Thanks Subash. Paul > On Apr 16, 2018, at 9:06 PM, Subash Jeyan wrote: > > very nice Paul... > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:39:20 -0400 > Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> I get a lot of goldfinches every day, so I can say with certainty >> that they grow

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very nice Paul... On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:39:20 -0400 Paul Stenquist wrote: > I get a lot of goldfinches every day, so I can say with certainty > that they grow more colorful by the day. The best looking birds are > now in full yellow jackets. > >

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Nice shot, Paul! J Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 16, 2018, at 1:39 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > I get a lot of goldfinches every day, so I can say with certainty that they > grow more colorful by the day. The best looking birds are now in full yellow > jackets. > >

Re: PESO Gold in that there dome

Damn speed reading, I went back looking for angels. Thanks Marnie. Think Olympus but this is taken with my K-5. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 22:26:16 -0400 (EDT) From:eactiv...@aol.com To:pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO Gold in that there dome Message-ID

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@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO Gold in that there dome Message-ID: caeqabgqo5cqcufrgkmx+gbxaeg6rqfuo19d6gxa9+kgg8mb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 THAT is a winning image. Superb. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com wrote

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I like the detail here and the line work of the shot Dave On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: Took a tour of state capital this weekend. Thought I might share this 1st photo I took. I will post some more soon. CC etc.

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Thanks Darren, glad to hear your comments. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:10:38 -0500 From: Darren Addypixelsmi...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO Gold in that there dome Message-ID: caeqabgqo5cqcufrgkmx

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Very nice. Crisp and like the angles. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/17/2013 9:35:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shark50...@gmail.com writes: Took a tour of state capital this weekend. Thought I might share this 1st photo I took. I will post some more soon. CC etc.

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On 17/9/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed: Took a tour of state capital this weekend. Thought I might share this 1st photo I took. I will post some more soon. CC etc. http://donspix.smugmug.com/Architecture/Buildings-Architecture/i-fcHBZ4h/

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Really nice composition and detail. I wouldn't do a thing differently. :) On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: Took a tour of state capital this weekend. Thought I might share this 1st photo I took. I will post some more soon. CC etc.

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Big like! On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 17/9/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed: Took a tour of state capital this weekend. Thought I might share this 1st photo I took. I will post some more soon. CC etc.

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Neat rendering of the interesting architectural details. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: Took a tour of state capital this weekend. Thought I might share this 1st photo I took. I will post

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I think Georgia's Capitol Dome is actual gold leaf. North Carolina's is copper. They had to replace part of it several years ago it took a long time for the new part to weather to the same shade of green as the old part. On 9/17/2013 3:09 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: That's really nice, Don...

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If that's where the legislature meets, it would be more appropriate if it were fools gold. On 9/17/2013 12:34 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: Took a tour of state capital this weekend. Thought I might share this 1st photo I took. I will post some more soon. CC etc.

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That's really nice, Don... oh, Cotty already said that :-) I knew where you were before I looked at the photo - Wondering how many US State Capitols are painted gold - seems to me there are a lot. ann On 9/17/2013 13:12, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 17/9/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated,

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THAT is a winning image. Superb. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: That's really nice, Don... oh, Cotty already said that :-) I knew where you were before I looked at the photo - Wondering how many US State Capitols are painted gold - seems to me there

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My state's broke-ass. We're cutting up the state capital dome to help pay off our pension debts. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: That's really nice, Don... oh, Cotty already said that :-) I knew where you were before I looked at the photo - Wondering

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pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO Gold in that there dome Message-ID: 5238a5de.80...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If that's where the legislature meets, it would be more appropriate if it were fools gold. On 9/17/2013 12:34 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: Took a tour

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: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO Gold in that there dome Message-ID: 5238a8ce.10...@nyc.rr.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed That's really nice, Don... oh, Cotty already said that :-) I knew where you were

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wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:34:24 -0400 From: Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO Gold in that there dome Message-ID: caomwt1wm-2nbdpgurx_ugd4gc+cd1jp9u0_7m2iqoccqwk4...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain

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took lots of photos! Now I can procrastinate by looking up all the state caps on google images and count them ann pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 13 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:09:02 -0400 From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO

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On 17/9/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed: Thanks for the look see Cotty. And now let's see the GMT, well Good Night to you. Yeah, headin up those stairs. Been watching America's cup series on catch-up, amazing stuff - set in waters I sailed in as a lad. I was pointing out landmarks

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Beautiful detail and I really like your composition. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: Took a tour of state capital this weekend. Thought I might share this 1st photo I took. I will post some more soon. CC etc.

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Nice light, beautiful composition, and very cooperative sky! Rick   http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:34 PM Subject: PESO Gold in that there dome Took a tour of state

Re: PESO - Gold

On 5/13/2010 5:31 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Doug Brewerd...@alphoto.com wrote: If you love flower/cat/puppy/sunset photography, then by golly do it, Doug That would be one hell of a bracket shot. Dave and be sure to forward a copy to Mike

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No need for my attempts at art to look on the dark side. Life already holds enough dark side for all of us. I want to see things around me that remind me of the beauty in life. Things on the dark side can make powerful images, but why go there? Because they can be powerful

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Doug Brewer wrote: I'm clearly in the less popular, experimental camp, and from where I'm sitting the majority prefers to think that pretty is the proper, acceptable form of photography to be appreciated on the PDML. I'm not sure that's true (or, more clearly, truer _here_ than elsewhere)

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On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: OK, I wondered who would be the first to mention this. Good job, Bruce. I'm clearly in the less popular, experimental camp, and from where I'm sitting the majority prefers to think that pretty is the proper, acceptable form

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On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:13 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: I'm not sure that's true (or, more clearly, truer _here_ than elsewhere) or I'm equally not sure whether the enchantment with art that looks on the bright side of life is part of normal human makeup or something that

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On May 15, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:13 AM, mike wilson m. 9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: I'm not sure that's true (or, more clearly, truer _here_ than elsewhere) or I'm equally not sure whether the enchantment with art that looks on the bright side of

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P N Stenquist wrote: On May 15, 2010, at 10:27 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:13 AM, mike wilson m. 9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: I'm not sure that's true (or, more clearly, truer _here_ than elsewhere) or I'm equally not sure whether the enchantment with art that

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Doug Brewer wrote: Bruce Dayton wrote: Probably great foolishness on my part to submit a PESO amidst all this discussion of good/bad photos and what is art - I'm guessing that some will like and some will dislike this...but what the heck. I have a thick skin - at least in some places...

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On 14/05/2010, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Probably great foolishness on my part to submit a PESO amidst all this discussion of good/bad photos and what is art - I'm guessing that some will like and some will dislike this...but what the heck. I have a thick skin - at least in

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Oh, yes! Count me among the some who like it. A composition that uniquely works. Tilt of both the Poppy and elevated Clover head (?) add to the balance/harmony of the image. Very well seen and done, Bruce! Jack --- On Thu, 5/13/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: From: Bruce

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Bruce Dayton wrote: Probably great foolishness on my part to submit a PESO amidst all this discussion of good/bad photos and what is art - I'm guessing that some will like and some will dislike this...but what the heck. I have a thick skin - at least in some places... Pentax K20D, Sigma

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From: Bruce Dayton Probably great foolishness on my part to submit a PESO amidst all this discussion of good/bad photos and what is art - I'm guessing that some will like and some will dislike this...but what the heck. I have a thick skin - at least in some places... Pentax K20D, Sigma

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, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: PESO - Gold Bruce Dayton wrote: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkdphoto_00384.htm I'm clearly in the less popular, experimental camp, and from where I'm sitting the majority prefers to think that pretty is the proper, acceptable form of photography to be appreciated

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I like it! Did you have I.S. on by any chance? Darren Addy Kearney, NE -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

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Capture Mode : Manual Exposure Metering Mode : Center-weighted metereing Quality : Raw - PEF AF Mode : Manual Focus Shake Reduction: Enabled -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, May 13, 2010, 1:34:39 PM, you wrote: C I like it! C Did you have I.S. on by any chance? C Darren Addy C Kearney, NE

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This one is great. Love the contrast here. Dave PS i love the sharpness that 100-300 gives you On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Probably great foolishness on my part to submit a PESO amidst all this discussion of good/bad photos and what is art -

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On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: If you love flower/cat/puppy/sunset photography, then by golly do it, Doug That would be one hell of a bracket shot. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

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On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Probably great foolishness on my part to submit a PESO amidst all this discussion of good/bad photos and what is art - I'm guessing that some will like and some will dislike this...but what the heck. I have a thick

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2010/5/10 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: Jeffery Smith I feel like you are Dilbert and I am the pointy haired boss. Shall I play along? We need to get one of those new tele to wide angle lenses. My manager when I was at HAL ... http://adsg.syix.com/linda/tokenring.htm ROFLMAO

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2010/5/10 Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com: I feel like you are Dilbert and I am the pointy haired boss. Shall I play along? We need to get one of those new tele to wide angle lenses. Bless the newbie once again! =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

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] On Behalf Of eckinator Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 8:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO- Gold 2010/5/10 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: Jeffery Smith I feel like you are Dilbert and I am the pointy haired boss. Shall I play along? We need to get one of those new tele to wide

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From: eckinator 2010/5/10 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: Jeffery Smith I feel like you are Dilbert and I am the pointy haired boss. Shall I play along? We need to get one of those new tele to wide angle lenses. My manager when I was at HAL ...

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John Sessoms wrote: From: eckinator 2010/5/10 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: Jeffery Smith I feel like you are Dilbert and I am the pointy haired boss. Shall I play along? We need to get one of those new tele to wide angle lenses. My manager when I was at HAL ...

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2010/5/10 Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com: Is that a typo? (60-20)? That is what I thought, too, but then I decided, hey wait a moment the smc DA* 60-20/4 has to be Pentax's new offering to both close another focal length gap in their 16-17-18-45-50-55-70 millimeter range and at the same time

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I feel like you are Dilbert and I am the pointy haired boss. Shall I play along? We need to get one of those new tele to wide angle lenses. On May 10, 2010, at 2:49 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/5/10 Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com: Is that a typo? (60-20)? That is what I thought, too, but

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On May 10, 2010, at 1:28 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: 27...@comcast.net Paul, looked at your bird photo and looked at some others and I like this T-ball phoro of yours...Joe http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9579965 Is it T-ball? There's no T? It was a T-ball league, but the

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On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 07:27:16PM -0400, P N Stenquist wrote: This isn't much of a bird photo, but it's a very nice bird. Perhaps the brightest colored goldfinch I've seen. Shot on the feeder this afternoon with the DA* 60-20. Cropped to about 1/3 of frame. Have to go back out there with the

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From: Jeffery Smith I feel like you are Dilbert and I am the pointy haired boss. Shall I play along? We need to get one of those new tele to wide angle lenses. My manager when I was at HAL ... http://adsg.syix.com/linda/tokenring.htm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

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Lovely shot Dave On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:27 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: This isn't much of a bird photo, but it's a very nice bird. Perhaps the brightest colored goldfinch I've seen. Shot on the feeder this afternoon with the DA* 60-20. Cropped to about 1/3 of frame.

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Is that a typo? (60-20)? On May 9, 2010, at 6:27 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: This isn't much of a bird photo, but it's a very nice bird. Perhaps the brightest colored goldfinch I've seen. Shot on the feeder this afternoon with the DA* 60-20. Cropped to about 1/3 of frame. Have to go back out

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On May 9, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Is that a typo? (60-20)? Yep. It was the DA* 60-250 at 250 On May 9, 2010, at 6:27 PM, P N Stenquist wrote: This isn't much of a bird photo, but it's a very nice bird. Perhaps the brightest colored goldfinch I've seen. Shot on the feeder

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Paul, looked at your bird photo and looked at some others and I like this T-ball phoro of yours...Joe http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9579965 - Original Message - From: P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2010

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I have read good things about that lens. A bit pricey, but if it will replace 3 other single-focal-length lenses, it's worth it. It looks good in the shot you took here. Jeffery On May 9, 2010, at 6:54 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On May 9, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Is that a

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Thanks Joe. Yeah, I have to get Grace her own mini helmet:-). Paul On May 9, 2010, at 7:58 PM, 27...@comcast.net wrote: Paul, looked at your bird photo and looked at some others and I like this T-ball phoro of yours...Joe http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9579965 - Original

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It's my most used lens. Big and heavy, but very good. Paul On May 9, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: I have read good things about that lens. A bit pricey, but if it will replace 3 other single-focal-length lenses, it's worth it. It looks good in the shot you took here. Jeffery

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That image of Grace at bat is definitely the cutest photo I have seen in a l o o o n g time. Dan On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:33 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Joe. Yeah, I have to get Grace her own mini helmet:-). Paul On May 9, 2010, at 7:58 PM, 27...@comcast.net

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On May 9, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: That image of Grace at bat is definitely the cutest photo I have seen in a l o o o n g time. Dan Thanks Dan. Despite the oversize helmet problem, she's actually a pretty good hitter, better than most of the boys on her team. Note

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From: 27...@comcast.net Paul, looked at your bird photo and looked at some others and I like this T-ball phoro of yours...Joe http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9579965 Is it T-ball? There's no T? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - Gold Dome Railing

Ira, The geometric pattern of the railing is interesting. I'm a little confused about the context. Is this a railing to keep you from falling off of something? It looks like it casts shadows on a wall right behind it. I have trouble imagining how this space goes together. Regards, Bob S. On Tue,

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:20:02 -0500 Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ira, The geometric pattern of the railing is interesting. I'm a little confused about the context. Is this a railing to keep you from falling off of something? It looks like it casts shadows on a wall right behind it.

Re: PESO: Gold in my backyard

Paul, Does the A2XS allow both A and AF operation? Thanks, Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's a little grainy. I misspoke below. It was actually ISO 800 and cropped. The feeder this shaded by a tree. Not a lot of light. I needed 800 just to get 1/90th shutter.

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No, the A2X-S, like the A2X-L has only the A contacts. Mine has a damaged lock pin. The spring has evidently become unattached, so it won't lock on the lens. It still works fine as long as I make sure the lens is all the way engaged. But I almost dropped my A400 yesterday, when it spun off the

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The seed in the feeder looks nice and sharp, the bird seems a bit soft. Not much DOF with that combination at ~f11. Nice capture though, Paul Stenquist wrote: A friend gave me a goldfinch feeder and a bag of thistle seed. The feeder requires the birds to eat hanging upside down. Apparently,

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I focused on the bird. The difference might be that the bird is moving and the seed is stationary :-). Paul On Jun 18, 2006, at 2:40 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: The seed in the feeder looks nice and sharp, the bird seems a bit soft. Not much DOF with that combination at ~f11. Nice capture though,

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Paul Stenquist wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4575075 Hey, your back yard looks like my back yard! http://www.robertstech.com/temp/finches.jpg (Originally posted a few months ago - ist-D, Sigma EX300/2.8 APO with Sigma 2x teleconverter) Finches are fun to photograph! --

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You may recall I put up a trap focus frozen finch image several months back. Same shape feeder used, but made of screen wire rather than what appears to be plastic. Thistle seeds pulled through the screen at a surprising rate. Have counted up to 10 finches on the feeder at the same time.

Re: PESO: Gold in my backyard

Yes, it's a little grainy. I misspoke below. It was actually ISO 800 and cropped. The feeder this shaded by a tree. Not a lot of light. I needed 800 just to get 1/90th shutter. Since I'm using the A2XS converter, the working stop is f11 wide open on my A 400 5.6. Paul On Jun 17, 2006, at 9:28