Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
I am more than partially and less than defective :-). Boris On 11/7/2010 3:37 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 11/2/2010 2:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Miserere wrote: On 2 November 2010 02:37, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: Since you like me are wordy, my just

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/7/2010 3:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: or it could be his canny way of forcing Pentax to announce that mythical 23x36mm sensor camera. 23x36 is pretty mythical. But 22x38 is more mythical, methinks... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/7/2010 3:46 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: The aperture lever isn't the mythical aperture simulator, every K mount lens, (except mirror telephotos), has an aperture lever to this very day. Don't split levers, Peter. Proper mount has two mechanical couplings - one to engage the aperture during

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread P. J. Alling
Damn, I really have got to learn to type... On 11/7/2010 1:41 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/7/2010 3:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: or it could be his canny way of forcing Pentax to announce that mythical 23x36mm sensor camera. 23x36 is pretty mythical. But 22x38 is more mythical, methinks...

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-07 Thread P. J. Alling
I agree, but they also implemented the Green Button kluge because it was easy and didn't require any hardware changes. On 11/7/2010 1:42 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/7/2010 3:46 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: The aperture lever isn't the mythical aperture simulator, every K mount lens, (except

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
MY EYES! On 11/2/2010 1:20 PM, DagT wrote: No, in pink, red and purple: http://www.camera-pentax.jp/k-r/simulator.php#030909 Den 2. nov. 2010 kl. 18.37 skrev Steven Desjardins: Oh Boy. The 645x in pink and green! On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:33 PM, DagTli...@thrane.name wrote: Den 2. nov.

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
On 11/1/2010 10:26 PM, Miserere wrote: On 1 November 2010 23:18, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody thought we'd lose the aperture ring until I stumbled across the FAJ lens description on Pentax's site, (I don't remember how many years ago). So it was your fault! I never

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
At least there aren't combination that can cause actual damage, (if you stay away from KR lenses and Pentax didn't actually make any of those). Nikon on the has those... On 11/2/2010 1:24 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Personally, I think that Pentax backward compatibility is way overrated

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
On 11/2/2010 2:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Miserere wrote: On 2 November 2010 02:37, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: Since you like me are wordy, my just as wordy reply interspersed :-). So you're planning on partially defecting, Boris? Are you suggesting

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
On 11/2/2010 1:26 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/1/2010 8:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF Steven, it

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-06 Thread P. J. Alling
On 11/2/2010 1:48 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/1/2010 6:41 PM, Thibouille wrote: Not so sure Boris, AFAIK the most problematic mechanical part in current mount isn't the AF screwdriver but the aperture lever. That is something I (personally) don't care about. To my luck, I had my share of

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-04 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Miserere wrote: On 2 November 2010 02:37, Boris Liberman bori

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-03 Thread Steven Desjardins
I just sold a bunch of my stuff, actually to finance the K7. I also bought two cheap oldies, the M200 4 and the K28 3.5 to fill in missing but little used gaps in my lens range. (Actually, the 28 was a complete lark because it was so cheap. I'll be curious to see how it compares to my FA20-35,

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Personally, I think that Pentax backward compatibility is way overrated compared to what it truly is. On 11/1/2010 11:41 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Miserere wrote: Boris, I'd say yes and no. I suppose we should take into account what *might* happen 5 years from now, but what's more important to

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/1/2010 8:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms of AF Steven, it would seem that Pentax FF body is not going

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Since you like me are wordy, my just as wordy reply interspersed :-). On 11/1/2010 8:22 PM, Miserere wrote: Boris, I'd say yes and no. I suppose we should take into account what *might* happen 5 years from now, but what's more important to me is what happens this Friday when I go shooting. If I

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/1/2010 8:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves beyond the

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/1/2010 8:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Nothing is sacred. Evolution happens. Exactly. But it also means that one has to carefully think when to move along with the evolution - be it upgrade their computer or camera gear. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/1/2010 8:29 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Yes, but if one is already invested in the system and using it productively, it doesn't make much sense to fret over what might happen. I know my cameras and lenses do everything I need to do right now and will continue to do so for at least the near

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/1/2010 8:27 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: I understand being concerned about the future in general and about the sustainability of the Pentax system in particular, but you cannot go into details. I truly don't understand how could one figure out a possible single move (such as stopping putting

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/1/2010 6:41 PM, Thibouille wrote: Not so sure Boris, AFAIK the most problematic mechanical part in current mount isn't the AF screwdriver but the aperture lever. That is something I (personally) don't care about. To my luck, I had my share of problems with K and M lenses and presently I

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/1/2010 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out fast primes, but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. /Pentax will get more low light benefit for their development dollar from

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/1/2010 10:30 PM, Miserere wrote: You know Bob, I did just that, I put the 31 Ltd on my ME Super and all my photos came out in BW! I'll never use that lens again on a film camera body, I'm sticking to using it on my K10D, where it gives me colour images. Fool me once! --M. Gee,

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
Boris Liberman wrote: Quite right, Dario. Predicting the future is lousy occupation... What you're saying is that trying to cross the ocean on the small boat is risky. As well, one might be better off paying the price of buying a ticket to the Atlantic cruise ship... As a general rule, I

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 9:07 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: Sure. I was only wondering how can we: 1 - Discuss seriously a single step someone hypotesize will happen five years from now, and then: 2 - Decide a camera system strategy based on the agreement (or lack thereof) about that

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 11:26:47PM -0400, Miserere wrote: On 1 November 2010 23:18, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody thought we'd lose the aperture ring until I stumbled across the FAJ lens description on Pentax's site, (I don't remember how many years ago). He's

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 9:14 AM, John Francis wrote: In any case, I reckon Pentax are pretty good as far as compatibility goes. We haven't yet seen a body that drops support for the A-series lenses, although it's almost 20 years since the FA lens family first showed up. I'm sure we'll see such a body

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread David Mann
On Nov 2, 2010, at 1:11 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I love the caption on that shot at the top. Chris Pound explains how much he likes the 645D while, in the background, Ned Bunnell indicates how many grand it will cost. I think it's one of the best captions I've ever seen. :) Dave --

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/1/2010 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out fast primes, but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. /Pentax will get

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 10:43 AM, Larry Colen wrote: You have a camera body you like and lenses you like which work with it. At some point, it may be worth your while to see if there are lenses that you can't live without, and what body would make the best use of them. If you're lucky, you won't need to

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread eckinator
2010/11/1 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Paul, without intent to sound provocative here, but Nikon D7000 appears to move in the opposite direction - it offers compatibility with non CPU'ed lenses by having mechanical aperture coupling. This kind of introduction would make even less sense

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: But fortunately I have an agreement with the potential buyer of most of my other gear. Wow! How big of a weekly allowance do you give her? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Larry, here is where you totally loose me... On 11/2/2010 11:09 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: But fortunately I have an agreement with the potential buyer of most of my other gear. Wow! How big of a weekly allowance do you give her? -- Larry

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Larry, here is where you totally loose me... On 11/2/2010 11:09 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:37 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: But fortunately I have an agreement with the potential buyer of most of my other gear. Wow!

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
I realized that, but unlike you being jocular, I was being serious *friendly smile*. Boris On 11/2/2010 11:40 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:11 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Larry, here is where you totally loose me... On 11/2/2010 11:09 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 1, 2010,

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread paul stenquist
Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo From: Steven Desjardins Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body. These would all be incompatible with the DA lenses. Apparently it might also be incompatible with the FA lenses, at least in terms

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread paul stenquist
On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/1/2010 8:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: The needle tracks up and down both of my arms spell out fast primes, but my K-x will do better in low light with f/2.8 glass than my K100 did with f/1.8 glass, the K-5 better still. /Pentax will get

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 12:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Why would Pentax even consider developing more FA limiteds? They're not optimized for the APS-C image circle. They were designed for cameras that are no longer being produced. I expect Pentax will develop more fast primes, like the DA 77 limited for

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 12:09 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Given the investment in the 645D, I doubt that we'll see a 24x36 sensor DSLR from Pentax. They already have two lines of lenses and bodies, including what seems to be a potential top contender for the pro market.. And they are both full frame.

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
Paul Stenquist wrote: Given the investment in the 645D, I doubt that we'll see a 24x36 sensor DSLR from Pentax. They already have two lines of lenses and bodies, including what seems to be a potential top contender for the pro market.. And a CSC (EVIL or not) will require another line of

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Mark Roberts
paul stenquist wrote: Given the investment in the 645D, I doubt that we'll see a 24x36 sensor DSLR from Pentax. They already have two lines of lenses and bodies, including what seems to be a potential top contender for the pro market.. The extra lens line for APS-C is way overestimated. Only

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
Right. I'm just saying this is another route to incompatible lenses than many members actually want. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/1/2010 8:47 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Many on this list want Pentax to produce a FF body.  These would all be

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, if the future FF body (just assuming for a moment that it might happen some day) can simply mask out the unused part of image circle if you mount a DA lens, then part of the problem is solved. It seems Nikon is doing similar thing. Boris On 11/2/2010 1:54 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 November 2010 23:00, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if the future FF body (just assuming for a moment that it might happen some day) can simply mask out the unused part of image circle if you mount a DA lens, then part of the problem is solved. It seems Nikon is doing

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 2:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Boris, Nikon know nothing, heck they don't even have an MF digital! Cheers, Well, I think some kind of smiley and/or emoticon would be in order here... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 November 2010 23:11, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/2/2010 2:07 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Boris, Nikon know nothing, heck they don't even have an MF digital! Cheers, Well, I think some kind of smiley and/or emoticon would be in order here... It was implied, one post

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread DagT
On 2 November 2010 23:00, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if the future FF body (just assuming for a moment that it might happen some day) can simply mask out the unused part of image circle if you mount a DA lens, then part of the problem is solved. It seems Nikon is doing

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread eckinator
2010/11/2 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: Nikon know nothing, heck they don't even have an MF digital! couldn't be - Kennyboy after all shoots Nikon's pro model, the D40... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread DagT
Paul Stenquist wrote: Given the investment in the 645D, I doubt that we'll see a 24x36 sensor DSLR from Pentax. They already have two lines of lenses and bodies, including what seems to be a potential top contender for the pro market.. And a CSC (EVIL or not) will require another line of

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: While I didn't buy the 31 Ltd for film, due to its FOV, and then I bought it for its FOV on DX sensors. Great minds think unlike, and small minds too ;-) Dario I bought my 77 Ltd because it was shiny. Dave --

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
David J Brooks wrote: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: While I didn't buy the 31 Ltd for film, due to its FOV, and then I bought it for its FOV on DX sensors. Great minds think unlike, and small minds too ;-) Dario I bought my 77 Ltd because

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
DagT wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: And a CSC (EVIL or not) will require another line of lenses. That will have priority over a possible 24x36 system. However, I admit I would consider buying a Pentax 24x36 DSLR, while I don't think about the 645D as a possible target of mine. I don't think

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
True enough. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if the future FF body (just assuming for a moment that it might happen some day) can simply mask out the unused part of image circle if you mount a DA lens, then part of the problem is solved. It seems

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
And we wonder why camera companies have problems. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: David J Brooks wrote: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: While I didn't buy the 31 Ltd for film, due to its FOV, and

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
I don't know much about FF/FX/24x36/whatever we want to call them/ bodies offered by others. Can anyone estimate how much it would cost if Pentax simply stuck a bigger sensor in a K5-like body? $2500? I think the problem they have is that going after the Canikon folks in their home court is a

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Dario Bonazza
Steven Desjardins wrote: I don't know much about FF/FX/24x36/whatever we want to call them/ bodies offered by others. Can anyone estimate how much it would cost if Pentax simply stuck a bigger sensor in a K5-like body? $2500? I think the problem they have is that going after the Canikon folks

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread DagT
Den 2. nov. 2010 kl. 16.28 skrev Dario Bonazza: I'm not sure it's feasible that simply, due to some mechanics designed for APS-C. Then, the Sony A900/850 was considered dirt-cheap and it was in the $3000 realm, then it doesn't sell well and there were even rumors that Sony is going to drop

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
Oh Boy. The 645x in pink and green! On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:33 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: Den 2. nov. 2010 kl. 16.28 skrev Dario Bonazza: I'm not sure it's feasible that simply, due to some mechanics designed for APS-C. Then, the Sony A900/850 was considered dirt-cheap and it was

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread DagT
No, in pink, red and purple: http://www.camera-pentax.jp/k-r/simulator.php#030909 Den 2. nov. 2010 kl. 18.37 skrev Steven Desjardins: Oh Boy. The 645x in pink and green! On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:33 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: Den 2. nov. 2010 kl. 16.28 skrev Dario Bonazza: I'm not

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Miserere
On 2 November 2010 02:53, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/1/2010 10:30 PM, Miserere wrote: You know Bob, I did just that, I put the 31 Ltd on my ME Super and all my photos came out in BW! I'll never use that lens again on a film camera body, I'm sticking to using it on my K10D,

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
Imagine being given a 645D in that color scheme. Of course you'd accept but you'd have to send it off to Caesar to be skinned. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:20 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: No, in pink, red and purple: http://www.camera-pentax.jp/k-r/simulator.php#030909 Den 2. nov. 2010 kl.

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Miserere
On 2 November 2010 02:37, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Since you like me are wordy, my just as wordy reply interspersed :-). On 11/1/2010 8:22 PM, Miserere wrote: Samsung is very serious about it, but I wonder for how long if the market doesn't respond like they hope it will.

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
IOTOH, the m43 ILCs can accept the same lenses. I already have one small prime I like very much. Given the way I use the E-P1 I can't see an APS-C ILC being much of an upgrade, and if they all have proprietary lens mounts the selection will be more limited. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:48 PM,

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Miserere wrote: On 2 November 2010 02:37, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Since you like me are wordy, my just as wordy reply interspersed :-). So you're planning on partially defecting, Boris? Are you suggesting that Boris is partially defective?

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread eckinator
2010/11/2 DagT li...@thrane.name: Den 2. nov. 2010 kl. 16.28 skrev Dario Bonazza: I'm not sure it's feasible that simply, due to some mechanics designed for APS-C. Then, the Sony A900/850 was considered dirt-cheap and it was in the $3000 realm, then it doesn't sell well and there were even

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: I realized that, but unlike you being jocular I kinda think of Larry as 'jugular' for some reason ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Cotty wrote: On 2/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: I realized that, but unlike you being jocular I kinda think of Larry as 'jugular' for some reason ;-) I tried to learn how to jugul, but I don't have the coordination for it. -- Larry Colen

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/3/2010 12:42 AM, Cotty wrote: On 2/11/10, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: I realized that, but unlike you being jocular I kinda think of Larry as 'jugular' for some reason ;-) Well, I am not certain about you, but I met Larry in person and he is quite jovial. Boris --

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Joseph McAllister
Given that the K10, 20 , 7, 5 all have a factory lifetime on their shutters (mechanism, or supporting hardware, firmware?) might I suggest that if the camera(s) are working for you now, they will continue to work in the future if they need a replacement shutter, lever, circuit board, etc..

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 8:48 PM, Miserere wrote: I feel like Samsung is the only MILC manufacturer who's understanding the market segment that wants a real camera (not a souped up PS) with an assortment of small primes. If they work on their firmware, it's very likely they'll get my business. So,

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 9:38 PM, Larry Colen wrote: So you're planning on partially defecting, Boris? Are you suggesting that Boris is partially defective? Well, of course I am, and not partially... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 8:37 PM, Miserere wrote: Old enough to be your grandson! :-p Oh, these child prodigies... How could I have forgotten? *broad grin* Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/3/2010 7:23 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: Given that the K10, 20 , 7, 5 all have a factory lifetime on their shutters (mechanism, or supporting hardware, firmware?) might I suggest that if the camera(s) are working for you now, they will continue to work in the future if they need a

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/2/2010 10:36 PM, eckinator wrote: you mean there'll be an Optio 645? Fuji produced a couple of such Optios around year 5 B.D. (B.D. stands for 'Before pentax Digital'). They seem to producing some Optios 67 that fold neatly and shoot film as well, although the year is 7 A.D. ('After

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Boris Liberman
Thanks, Miserere. Few most valuable points in your blog entry from Photo Plus Expo... Boris On 11/1/2010 7:47 AM, Miserere wrote: It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D? What a camera... Lovely

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Dario Bonazza
Miserere wrote: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ Thank-you so much. Ned's comments match perfectly other statements I got from Pentax Europe folks, hence that must be the current Pentax strategy. However, I'm quite worried by the

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread paul stenquist
Well done. Especially the time travel part, where you were able to leap ahead to November 29th! :-). Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Miserere wrote: It's all here, if you're interested: http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/01/speaking-to-pentax-at-photoplus-expo-in-new-york/ The 645D?

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Desjardins
I love the caption on that shot at the top. Chris Pound explains how much he likes the 645D while, in the background, Ned Bunnell indicates how many grand it will cost. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: It's all here, if you're interested:

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Desjardins
It does strike me that Pentax will never release things as fats as other companies simply because, even with Hoya, they are simply smaller and don't have the budget. I'm pleased they do as well as they do. I am looking forward to the ILC, however. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Steven

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Boris Liberman
There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by screwdriver autofocus. It seems to make perfect sense as a prerequisite to introduction of EVIL camera. The converter to KAF4 (?) mount would only have

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Desjardins
The problem will be how long the bodies will continue to support the screw drive. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds will not be driven by

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Desjardins
From my POV, it's more of a disappointment that my other lenses won't work on a new ILC. It makes sense, but it also means I have no real reason not to just keep using Olympus unless the Pentax ILC really is something special. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread P N Stenquist
I doubt that Pentax will support screw drive forever. It doesn't make sense economically. That's why I stopped buying FA and F glass several years ago. Now I have only the FA 50 and FA 35, both of which I rarely use. However, I suspect that there will be a couple more generations of DSLR

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Miserere
As long as there are Limited lenses, bodies will support screwdrive focus. Maybe Pentax will go the Nikon route and only offer screwdrive support in their upper tier bodies. I don't think this should be a concern for us at the moment; it's a bit like not buying anything plastic because a

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Boris Liberman
Paul, without intent to sound provocative here, but Nikon D7000 appears to move in the opposite direction - it offers compatibility with non CPU'ed lenses by having mechanical aperture coupling. This kind of introduction would make even less sense economically, but it did happen. You're right -

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Boris Liberman
Reply interspersed. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: As long as there are Limited lenses, bodies will support screwdrive focus. Maybe Pentax will go the Nikon route and only offer screwdrive support in their upper tier bodies. Well, I respectfully disagree.

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
Miserere, Thanks for your coverage of the show. I read your synopsis of the conversation with Ned B. My only quarrel is with the $1,600 price holding up for the K-5. I'm pleased to report a $100 rebate is now available with purchase! That's a bonus. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:19

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread P N Stenquist
What's the deal on the rebate? Is it a downloadable coupon? Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Miserere, Thanks for your coverage of the show. I read your synopsis of the conversation with Ned B. My only quarrel is with the $1,600 price holding up for the K-5. I'm pleased to

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Dario Bonazza
Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible choices five years

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Thibouille
Not so sure Boris, AFAIK the most problematic mechanical part in current mount isn't the AF screwdriver but the aperture lever. 2010/11/1 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: There is something that bothers me slightly. It is the mention of the fact that all future DA lenses except DA Limiteds

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Dario Bonazza
P N Stenquist wrote: What's the deal on the rebate? Is it a downloadable coupon? Paul I'm afraid it's only valid in certain European countries (namely UK, France, Germany, perhaps a few more). And not for Italy :-( Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread P N Stenquist
I found a link to the rebate on the BH site. It appears to be valid here. My camera arrives tomorrow. Paul On Nov 1, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: P N Stenquist wrote: What's the deal on the rebate? Is it a downloadable coupon? Paul I'm afraid it's only valid in certain

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Dario Bonazza
Glad for that! Dario - Original Message - From: P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo I found a link to the rebate on the BH site. It appears

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Desjardins
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we may focus manually. Carpe annulum! On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Mark Roberts
Dario Bonazza wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves beyond the next year, hence worrying now fo possible

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Desjardins
I think it will last longer than five years. I still have a functional *istD on the shelf behind me. At some point it would not surprise me if Pentax bodies stopped supporting screwdrive, which means you would be forced to MF. Of course, there are complaints about the aperture simulator being

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Jeffery Smith
Like computers, it's pretty hard to predict what may be antiquated in a few years. I haven't seen a floppy drive in years. I bought my first screw-mount lenses in the late 60's, confident that they would be around a long time. Then Pentax went to bayonet. I switched to Nikon, figuring at least

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Miserere
On 1 November 2010 12:09, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I respectfully disagree. As long as Limited lenses are produced you're right. But they are not going to be produced forever. If, for some reason, they are produced forever, then this whole branch of discussion has no

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread Dario Bonazza
Mark Roberts wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future moves beyond the next year, hence

Re: Talking to Ned Bunnell at the PhotoPlus Expo

2010-11-01 Thread paul stenquist
On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Dario Bonazza wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: There is something that bothers me slightly. The future is a crystal ball with a lot of fog and little if anything to be seen. I don't think Pentax knows the future, including their future

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