Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-09 Thread Boris Liberman
On 3/10/2011 6:17 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Don't forget the 10/90 rule - 10% of the job takes 90% of the time allocated; the remainder of the job takes the other 90%. Hmmm. Well, I was referring to 20/80 rule which is the same as your but with different distribution points, so to say. Boris

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: Boris Liberman On 3/5/2011 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of time I spend actually taking pictures. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est Larry, you're a programmer, right? So you ought to know that 80-20 r

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-08 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Theodore Beilby wrote: > Our family vacations in the 50's & 60's were camping trips to Big Basin. It > is a > very nice place and I would imagine you could some beautiful shots there. > Last > time I was there, was drive through visit in the 70's with Diane and it

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-08 Thread Tim Øsleby
Maybe you could take a closer look at your work flow when shooting? When shooting gigs like this, is the light static? If so, there is a fat chance you could standardise more than it seems you are doing now. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pd

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Steven Desjardins
"Larry. To it seems that your main problem is that you shoot way to many frames." Of course, Larry, this observation is not meant to undervalue your many, many minor problems. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > Larry. To it seems that your main problem is that you shoot way to

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > Larry. To it seems that your main problem is that you shoot way to many > frames. > > Today at the elders day centre I had six models and shot 60 frames in > a bot more than one hour. > You shot for three hours and ended up with 1200 frames, how m

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Walter Gilbert
I really hope to do that. I've always wondered what it would be like to stand among them. The photos I've seen have never given me a true sense of them, so I'm really curious what they're like in real perspective. -- Walt On 3/7/2011 1:01 PM, Theodore Beilby wrote: Our family vacations

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Tim Øsleby
Larry. To it seems that your main problem is that you shoot way to many frames. Today at the elders day centre I had six models and shot 60 frames in a bot more than one hour. You shot for three hours and ended up with 1200 frames, how many models did you shoot? Maybe my subjects where more static

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Theodore Beilby
Our family vacations in the 50's & 60's were camping trips to Big Basin. It is a very nice place and I would imagine you could some beautiful shots there. Last time I was there, was drive through visit in the 70's with Diane and it was so crowded, we didn't even stop. Walter, you have to see th

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Ken Waller
Something tells me I wouldn't have had the same sort of opportunities if I'd decided to go with a Canon or Nikon. MARK! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Walter Gilbert" Subject: Re: This seems backwards

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 10:31:25PM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Mar 6, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: > > > With any luck, we'll be able to rectify that issue once I get out to San > > Ramon. > > A couple of friends and I went hot tubbing at Kiva tonight and someone was > talkin

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2011-03-07 2:51, Larry Colen wrote: I wonder if there's a brand that makes it easier to find someone to date. And I don't mean carbon dating. As long as you don't mind goldbricks, the gold one with all the bling helps with the dating thing. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:06 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: > Larry, I would suggest a #4 for your list of what the customer expects: The > ability to know the difference between best quality and not so best quality > photos. > In other words, I agree that customers would like to chose which photo(s) to >

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Stan Halpin
On Mar 7, 2011, at 5:45 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > > What I try to offer to my customers is the best quality photographs for the > lowest cost. My biggest cost is my time. If I were paying myself minimum > wage for the photography work, the company would be running way in the red. > To get gr

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
Reply interspersed. On 3/7/2011 12:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 7, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Aren't you just describing what sets apart a professional and an amateur - the right and cost of making a mistake? In a large part that is true. Good. In a sense that it means th

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 7, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 3/7/2011 2:35 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> > > Aren't you just describing what sets apart a professional and an amateur - > the right and cost of making a mistake? In a large part that is true. > I am not sure I'd like to be one your custo

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Boris Liberman
On 3/7/2011 2:35 AM, Larry Colen wrote: My process of rating, choosing and sorting pictures is a lot faster when they are just for me. Throw in the process of getting them to select which prints they want, and other communications, and all of a sudden my post processing time is about 3-4 times w

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Walter Gilbert
On 3/7/2011 2:10 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Funny, I always thought mount Olympus meant something entirely different. Just don't let 'em know we're onto 'em. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit t

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-07 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 6, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: > > > On 3/7/2011 1:51 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> I suspect that with Canikon it's easier to find gear, but with Pentax it's >> easier to find friends. > Agreed. Well put. > >> I wonder if there's a brand that makes it easier to find someone

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-06 Thread Walter Gilbert
On 3/7/2011 1:51 AM, Larry Colen wrote: I suspect that with Canikon it's easier to find gear, but with Pentax it's easier to find friends. Agreed. Well put. I wonder if there's a brand that makes it easier to find someone to date. And I don't mean carbon dating. I think Olympus is suppo

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-06 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 6, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: > They both look excellent! > > I get more stoked about this trip with each passing day. Up until now, I'd > never been any further west than Picher, Oklahoma -- where I went with Ted. > I have to say, the decision to buy my K-x has so far

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-06 Thread Walter Gilbert
They both look excellent! I get more stoked about this trip with each passing day. Up until now, I'd never been any further west than Picher, Oklahoma -- where I went with Ted. I have to say, the decision to buy my K-x has so far proven to be the best one I've ever made. Something tells

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-06 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 6, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: > With any luck, we'll be able to rectify that issue once I get out to San > Ramon. A couple of friends and I went hot tubbing at Kiva tonight and someone was talking about Hakone gardens: http://www.hakone.com/ I've driven past zillions of

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-06 Thread Walter Gilbert
With any luck, we'll be able to rectify that issue once I get out to San Ramon. I'm still under 10,000 clicks on the K-x, so I clearly need to put in the time and effort. -- Walt On 3/4/2011 7:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote: It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percen

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-06 Thread Paul Sorenson
Larry - You might want to check this out - www.shutterbugstorefront.com You can set up a gallery, do minimal post processing and upload web sized images from your customers to order from. The service collects the money and sends you an order list. You finish PP, cropping, etc just on the i

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-06 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: > On 3/5/2011 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of >> time I spend actually taking pictures. >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est > > Larry, you're a pro

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-06 Thread Boris Liberman
On 3/5/2011 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of time I spend actually taking pictures. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est Larry, you're a programmer, right? So you ought to know that 80-20 rule - 80% of time yo

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-06 Thread AlunFoto
2011/3/5 Larry Colen : > I just noticed how much more time I was spending > on managing photos, and just quipped that in an > attempt to make humor of my plight.  I think that I > was defining "serious" as "photography that I get > paid for, or ought to". What I thought you meant. And I loved the

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> I think that I was defining "serious" as "photography that I get paid for, >> or ought to". > > Ah, in that "or ought to" lurks the essential tragedy of the human > condition. -T I shouldn't

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I'd have to Pan it. Dan On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:39 PM, eckinator wrote: > 2011/3/6 Daniel J. Matyola : >> >> Just hope he doesn't drop his trousers and eI'd have to Pan xpose his >> Polaroids. > > Man that would be Tri-X -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PD

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread eckinator
2011/3/6 Daniel J. Matyola : > > Just hope he doesn't drop his trousers and expose his Polaroids. Man that would be Tri-X -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow t

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread Tim Bray
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > I think that I was defining "serious" as "photography that I get paid for, or >ought to". Ah, in that "or ought to" lurks the essential tragedy of the human condition. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailma

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Just hope he doesn't drop his trousers and expose his Polaroids. D On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 3:36 PM, mike wilson wrote: > On 05/03/2011 18:48, Bob W wrote: It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the >>> >>> percentage of time I spend actually taking pictures. >>> >>>

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:51 AM, AlunFoto wrote: > 2011/3/5 Larry Colen : >> It seems that the more serious photography I do, >> the lower the percentage of time I spend actually >> taking pictures. > > Sounds like both good news and bad news. Dunno if that's what you > mean, but "serious" sounds li

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread mike wilson
On 05/03/2011 18:48, Bob W wrote: It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of time I spend actually taking pictures. that is how kennyboy started out. now he can expose velvia purely by powers of the mind... I hope he doesn't expose his velvia to me... Alleg

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread AlunFoto
2011/3/5 Larry Colen : > It seems that the more serious photography I do, > the lower the percentage of time I spend actually > taking pictures. Sounds like both good news and bad news. Dunno if that's what you mean, but "serious" sounds like you spend more time managing your pics and less time sh

RE: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread Bob W
> > It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the > percentage of time I spend actually taking pictures. > > that is how kennyboy started out. now he can expose velvia purely by > powers of the mind... I hope he doesn't expose his velvia to me... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread eckinator
2011/3/5 Larry Colen : > > It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of > time I spend actually taking pictures. that is how kennyboy started out. now he can expose velvia purely by powers of the mind... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.

RE: This seems backwards

2011-03-05 Thread Bob W
> It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the > percentage of time I spend actually taking pictures. > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est Then you should stop taking it seriously -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinf

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-04 Thread Tim Bray
Clearly, if your photography is "serious", you're Doing It Wrong. -T On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of > time I spend actually taking pictures. > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est >

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
Eventually this will save a lot of money on lenses. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: >> It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of >> time I spend actually taking pictures. > > Mark! > > --

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-04 Thread Sandy Harris
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote: > It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of > time I spend actually taking pictures. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: This seems backwards

2011-03-04 Thread P. J. Alling
It's the self loathing setting in. On 3/4/2011 8:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote: It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of time I spend actually taking pictures. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to b

This seems backwards

2011-03-04 Thread Larry Colen
It seems that the more serious photography I do, the lower the percentage of time I spend actually taking pictures. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, ple