Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-13 Thread Alan Chan
My impression is that most who have tried Velvia 100F are dissapointed as it has neither the sharpness or the color palette of the original Velvia. It is probably a good film anyway but apparently doesn't meet the expectations the Velvia name bring. It seems like the most important design

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-12 Thread Eactivist
I've even noticed how differnt lenses may perform in response to various films. Provia F in particular being a high resolution/low accutance film. It simply doesn't mate well with all lenses! Pål First time I've heard this. I switched lately from Velvia to Provia F because a lot on this list

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-12 Thread Alan Chan
First time I've heard this. I switched lately from Velvia to Provia F because a lot on this list said it scanned better since Velvia is more color saturated. And that does appear to be true based on my recent scanning experience. I have found the Provia 100F is not as contrasty as other slides,

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-12 Thread Anthony Farr
It's not so much that they prefer to use cheap lenses, more that: 1)they've never used an full metal bodied lens so they don't know better, and 2)they'd rather pay less than more for the camera / lens package. Give them time. Let them first discover Pentax, then lure them towards the

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-12 Thread Pål Jensen
Marnie wrote: First time I've heard this. I switched lately from Velvia to Provia F because a lot on this list said it scanned better since Velvia is more color saturated. And that does appear to be true based on my recent scanning experience. But what does low accutance mean? Huh? REPLY:

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-12 Thread Eactivist
Marnie wrote: First time I've heard this. I switched lately from Velvia to Provia F because a lot on this list said it scanned better since Velvia is more color saturated. And that does appear to be true based on my recent scanning experience. But what does low accutance mean? Huh? REPLY:

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-12 Thread Caveman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First time I've heard this. I switched lately from Velvia to Provia F because a lot on this list said it scanned better since Velvia is more color saturated. That lot said that it scans better because of its lower Dmax and finer grain. cheers, caveman

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Alin Flaider
The film lenses suck for digital syndrome was immediately apparent with the full-frame EOS-1ds too. One of the culprits is the bayer pixels disposition in the sensor, that makes it more sensitive to colour fringe towards the edges of the image. When the oblique lines of red or blue

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Alin Flaider
Looking for primes for digital is a wise decision. Waiting for full frame is even wiser. Personally I couldn't care less for current Pentax zooms in the *ist d equation. The focal ranges are all scrambled up to the point of rendering it useless. Trans-standards become what,

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Lon Williamson
This wouldn't suprise me at all. The first time I scanned film and viewed at 100%, my first thought was: This scanner is CRAP. The inkjet prints delighted me with their sharpness compared to the screen. Rob Studdert wrote, in part: When the Canon 1DS came out, lenses that seemed perfectly fine

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Mark wrote: If your DSLR effectively multiplies your focal length by 1.5, it also *divides* the lens' resolution by 1.5. So you'll want to use top-notch lenses whenever possible. I think the 31mm f/1.8 Limited would make a fine normal lens for the *ist-D, though! REPLY: Perhaps this is a

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Joseph Tainter
Alin wrote: The film lenses suck for digital syndrome was immediately apparent with the full-frame EOS-1ds too. One of the culprits is the bayer pixels disposition in the sensor, that makes it more sensitive to colour fringe towards the edges of the image. When the oblique lines of red

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Harry wrote: At the moment there is virtually no information coming from Pentax on possible 'D' type lenses for the digital SLR. REPLY: They have promised more lenses in the fall particularly suited for the *istD. Personally I think it is both focal lenghts and optics optimized for a DSLR.

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I carry a gaggle of good quality lenses, on which I have spent too much. I have been awaiting a full-frome digital slr on which to mount them. Now I may not be able to use some/all of them? If you've bought top-quality glass I wouldn't worry. It's only

RE: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Joseph Tainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a way to know in advance which lenses will/won't work with a full-frame digital slr? I don't think it's a matter of them not working, it's a matter of finding out some of your lenses aren't as good as others.

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Alin Flaider
Joseph wrote: JT Hmmm. I am waiting for a full-framer. I won't buy the starkistdee JT myself, although I may have my lab buy one. JT This alarms me. I carry a gaggle of good quality lenses, on which I have JT spent too much. I have been awaiting a full-frome digital slr on which JT to mount

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Mike Ignatiev
That depends on what do you intend to use it for. For general purpose photography (which probably means, if one midrange zoom is enough and ISO400 and higher is not required), high end digicams are pretty good. I'd say, go for it, for under $400 one can get a very decent 4MP one. Canon G2

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Rüdiger wrote: So, you think that the entry level lenses like the FAJ 18-35, FAJ 28-80 and the FAJ 70-300 which are specialy made for the entry level *istD are better then good the old lenses like the K 2/35, K 1.8/85 or K 2.5/135. REPLY: No I don't. Fisrtly, they don't appeal to the same

RE: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Tom wrote: I don't think it's a matter of them not working, it's a matter of finding out some of your lenses aren't as good as others. You could do the same thing now by enlarging all your negs to 11x14. REPLY: But I also think it is a case of what the lens is good at. As I said in a previous

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Leonard Paris
I'd suggest that, while a person waits, she/he should acquire a nice Pentax digital PS to use in the meanwhile. That way, when the dream comes true, you will be that much ahead of the digital darkroom part of the game and not way behind the power curve. Just a thought. Len --- Looking

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Rüdiger Neumann
Rüdiger wrote: So, you think that the entry level lenses like the FAJ 18-35, FAJ 28-80 and the FAJ 70-300 which are specialy made for the entry level *istD are better then good the old lenses like the K 2/35, K 1.8/85 or K 2.5/135. REPLY from Pal No I don't. Fisrtly, they don't appeal to the same

RE: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-11 Thread Cotty
I'd like to see a 5 or 6 meg dp+s with a fixed lens of 28-35mm, with an aperture of 1.4 or 2, made possible by the smaller sensor. A companion 75 or 80mm would be nice too. And a decent optical viewfinder, Tom. And real manual rangefinder focus aids. I hate to say this, but the Mrs played with

Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-10 Thread Harold Owen
Will lenses such as the Pentax 80-320mm (which according to reports I have read is slightly soft at the 200-320mm range) be improved with the advent of the forthcoming Pentax digital SLR? Digital cameras in general allow you to alter the sharpness, contrast and saturation settings, and numerous

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-10 Thread dagt
No. The dSLR's are more sensitiv to lens quality than film based kameras. Partially, of course, because of the small sensor chips, as an unsharp photo will have to be blown more up to obtain the same picture size. Of course it may be fixed to some degree with USM, but there is a limit before

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-10 Thread Alin Flaider
Harold, the 80-320 at the long end is not much better in the center than at the corners, and it doesn't improve a lot by stopping down either. I think it's a nice lens just by this consistency of image quality. However, I don't think that above 200 mm it'll fit the sharpness

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-10 Thread Harold Owen
Harold, the 80-320 at the long end is not much better in the center than at the corners, and it doesn't improve a lot by stopping down either. I think it's a nice lens just by this consistency of image quality. However, I don't think that above 200 mm it'll fit the sharpness

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-10 Thread Harold Owen
I think the only one of the scenarios you mentioned that really works is edge sharpness improvements with small frame sensors. Otherwise digital is very brutal about showing lens flaws. When the Canon 1DS came out, lenses that seemed perfectly fine for 35mm all of a sudden sucked. tv

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-10 Thread Harold Owen
I have been warned by some dSLR enthusiasts (among them the guy mentioned here: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0307/03070801nikkor1224review.asp) that some of my lenses, especially zoom lenses, may not be good enough to use on a digital SLR, even if they are quite good with my current cameras.

RE: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Jul 2003 at 11:04, tom wrote: I think the only one of the scenarios you mentioned that really works is edge sharpness improvements with small frame sensors. Otherwise digital is very brutal about showing lens flaws. When the Canon 1DS came out, lenses that seemed perfectly fine for

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-10 Thread Joseph Tainter
I have been warned by some dSLR enthusiasts (among them the guy mentioned here: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0307/03070801nikkor1224review.asp) that some of my lenses, especially zoom lenses, may not be good enough to use on a digital SLR, even if they are quite good with my current cameras.

Re: Will Digital SLRs improve consumer 35mm zoom lenses?

2003-07-10 Thread Mark Roberts
Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been warned by some dSLR enthusiasts (among them the guy mentioned here: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0307/03070801nikkor1224review.asp) that some of my lenses, especially zoom lenses, may not be good enough to use on a digital SLR, even if they