Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread DagT
Den 25. juli 2011 kl. 04.39 skrev John Sessoms:

 From: Eckehard Wegner
 2011/7/24 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:
 I'll never understand the complete absence of dignity in terrorist
 thought.
 I'd nominate this for a MARK ! if it sometrhing to do with photography.
 Which in turn prompted my memory to dump before my feet Adorno and his
 statement that writing poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric... can
 monstrosity really eclipse beauty? Nothing can bring back those killed
 but rather than to dismiss it as the act of a lone nutjob, erect the
 usual ugly memorial stone  and move on IMO the best thing to do would
 be to fill the island with the very spirit he was looking to
 destroy... so in a sense poetry is IMO imperative.
 
 Sorry if I rambled
 Ecke
 
 One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news reports 
 I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He should at least be 
 locked up the rest of his life.

We have a law that let us keep them longer if they are still a danger to 
society.

DagT
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Re: PESO: Bandit

2011-07-25 Thread Ken Waller
On a related note, I'm entered in a dog sled race next January. A kennel in 
the Upper Peninsula of Michigan - 'Nature's Kennel' offered a package that 
will include some training, instruction a dog handler along with a 4 dog 
team  sled to enter an appropriate class in a race that will run in the Two 
Hearted River area of the Upper Peninsula.
I had done some sledding this last February with this kennel with a 6 dog 
team and just couldn't refuse this when the opportunity presented itself. 
This 6 dog team I had could run in the 8 to 12 mph range for 50 miles or so 
according to the dog handler.
The dogs the kennel raises are smaller than malamutes and are bred for 
solely racing. They are around 50 to 60 lbs and are all muscle. Once I 
started to put them in harness, it was all I could do to restrain them. I 
did stop once for some photos  had to tie the sled off to a tree to prevent 
them from running off.


Ed, the owner of the kennel, has been one of the highest placing sledders 
from the lower 46 in the Iditarod and has completed  the race 5 or 6 times.


I'm hoping to capture some video and possibly some stills of the race. In 
February the zero degree cold got to the batteries before I could capture 
any images.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: PESO: Bandit



Thanks, Dave and Ken.

My previous Malamutes all went to obedience training.  They generally
were the first to learn each exercise, but the objected to repeating
the exercises over and over.  Too Boring.

I do have a dog sled (and a wheeled rig for training when there is no
snow).  Of course, it takes more than one or two dogs to make a dog
team, so I have to join up with other members of the local club so
that we can run our dogs on the sled.  We will probably get a female
in the spring -- somehow they are happier and better behaved if they
have a canine companion -- but they have to be almost adults before
they can be put on the sled.

Dan
Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:



Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: PESO: Bandit



They are indeed clever dogs. I had a pair (male and female) who
learned to hunt together, and caught a ruffed grouse in our back yard
one year. They are dependable with people, but can be tough on other
animals.


Mine thought he was THE only dog.



Dan
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On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:02 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:


I had a malamute when I was a kid, in some was the smartest dog I've 
ever

known. She was an outdoor dog 90% of the time. When eating she'd finish
most of her food then dump out a little bit of it for later, or so I
thought, until I caught her using it for bait to catch crows. She 
learned
to climb the fencing of her Kennel, and I ended up putting wire mesh 
over
the top to protect the other animals in the neighbor hood. The crows 
were

unfortunately too smart for their own good, they figured out how to get
through the mesh. When cleaning her kennel, I'd find parts.

On 7/23/2011 9:46 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


I know, PJ. This is our 7th Malamute, 4th male. They can be willful.
So far, he is calmer and more eager to please than our previous
Mals.

The Malamute personality is pretty much that of the Wookie in Star
Wars. The Wookie was modeled after George Lucas's Malamute.

Dan
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On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:18 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:


Well don't spoil him too much. Malamutes are pretty willful to begin
with,
and while I've never seen a vicious malamute, I will tell you it's 
kind

of
like owning a large dog shaped cat from an obedience standpoint. If 
you

don't impress upon him who's boss early, he'll only obey you when he
wants
to, which won't be often, and they are very strong, so out muscling 
him

will
be fun to say the least.

On 7/23/2011 8:55 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Yes, he is already spoiled. What else does one do with pets?

Dan
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On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Jeffery Johnson
jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote:


I can already tell Bandit is going to be a spoiled doggy.

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my new 

Re: 99.7F in Boston

2011-07-25 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:53 , steve harley wrote:

 On 2011-07-24 12:09 , John Sessoms wrote:
 From: Boris Liberman
 Tell me about it. Clocked +44C not long ago in my town. In fact I
 started a new hobby. I am now taking pictures of my car's in-dash
 thermometer (that also shows date and time) with my cell phone if I
 notice that the temperature has risen above +39C. Have three pieces in
 my collection already...
 
 Does it display the outside air temperature or the temperature inside the 
 car?
 
 i'm sure Boris speaks of an outdoor temperature; my partner's Audi's 
 thermosensor is somewhere under the car -- that's good when you want to know 
 whether the road is at freezing temperature, but it often reads high when 
 driving because roads are heat reservoirs, especially when it's been sunny

I imagine the temp sensor on a car would be located in the front of the car, 
shielded from the engine and radiator and tires, so air a foot or so above the 
roadway would blow over it. Mine always seems to read a little low. There may 
be an algorithm in there some where.

We finally made it to 75 in North Everett this year. Now we're in trouble!

Temperature: 75.7°F / 24.3°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa 
(Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 
0.0km/h at 19:12 PM-PDT, July 24, 2011

Never topped 74.1°F at my house. However, it's still 81.5°F near the computer, 
75.7°F up higher in the living room.



Joseph McAllister
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GESO (12): Snow

2011-07-25 Thread David Mann
Dedicated to everyone who's HOT.  Our high today was 2.5 celsius.  There's 
meant to be a wicked frost tomorrow morning, in the order of -5.  So the roads 
are going to be iced and the authorities are strongly recommending that 
everyone stays home for another day.

http://www.multi.net.nz/snow-2011/

The first two photos are from the garden.  The others I took while out running 
(in full thermals).  I carried our little Panasonic compact in a plastic bag in 
a pocket of my jacket.

Sorry to spam you all with so many photos today but I've had a bit of spare 
time :)

Cheers,
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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread David Mann
On Jul 25, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

 Well, it hasn't been dull here.  My 10 year old used sewing machine died, so 
 we took it in last Sunday.

Wow, they don't make 'em like they used to.  Janet inherited an old Singer 
machine that she thinks is about 50 years old.  It was owned from new by her 
grandmother.  Still goes well but we don't use it very often.  For a few 
dollars we were able to download the user manual for it.

 When asked, I told the sales guys we were just looking, and I really meant it!

I think they can sense the challenge.  Whenever I'm just looking I get 
inundated by sales people.  Whenever I'm ready to buy something there are none 
to be found.

Cheers,
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Re: OT - a shameless gloat.

2011-07-25 Thread David Mann
On Jul 25, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Anthony Farr wrote:

 CADEL!  CADEL!  CADEL!
 AUSSIE! AUSSIE! AUSSIE!
 OI!  OI!   OI!


After his previous second placings it's good for him to finally win it.  At 
least it wasn't Contador.  There would be an outcry.

I'm probably going to set up a satellite receiver soon so we can pick up SBS.  
The only way to get Tour coverage here is through the paid Sky TV service which 
costs an arm and a leg.  Why pay all that when I can get it for only a small 
initial outlay :)

Cheers,
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Re: OT - a shameless gloat.

2011-07-25 Thread Pete McIntosh
SBS coverage has been impressive. As well as TV, they have had an
online tracker with live streaming, and equivalent android and iOS
apps. And all free.

Ciao,

Pete Mac in Melbourne, who was going to do a celebratory ride today,
but got hit by a car on Saturday and is a bit sore but not broken.


Sent from my iPad2

On 25/07/2011, at 17:33, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:

 On Jul 25, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Anthony Farr wrote:

 CADEL!  CADEL!  CADEL!
 AUSSIE! AUSSIE! AUSSIE!
 OI!  OI!   OI!


 After his previous second placings it's good for him to finally win it.  At 
 least it wasn't Contador.  There would be an outcry.

 I'm probably going to set up a satellite receiver soon so we can pick up SBS. 
  The only way to get Tour coverage here is through the paid Sky TV service 
 which costs an arm and a leg.  Why pay all that when I can get it for only a 
 small initial outlay :)

 Cheers,
 Dave


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RE: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Bob W
Congrats - doing your bit for the global economy, you deserve a medal.

 I have to call Adobe tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let
 me upgrade to Ver. 3 at the upgrade price.  There will be lots of data
 transfer to learn too.  Oh boy, can't wait!

I always get the n.0 versions on disk, and they include the PC and Mac
versions, so I don't anticipate any problems for you, but you will need all
your serial numbers so that it recognises that the upgrade is on top of a
legit base.

B

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 Christine Aguila
 Sent: 25 July 2011 02:31
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: PAW--Week 29
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 Well, it hasn't been dull here.  My 10 year old used sewing machine
 died, so we took it in last Sunday.  I'm out of touch with the latest
 models, so I started looking around and couldn't believe some of the
 sale prices, and I had the manager demonstrate the features on a top
 Singer model.He offered me an incredible deal--and I mean
 incredible--so I left promising him I'd think about it.  Well, after
 getting the estimate for repairs, I decided to buy it, and we bought
 the new machine on Thursday.   It works like a dream.  I made a blouse
 today.  The machine is such a joy to use!!!
 
 Well, after bringing the sewing machine home on Thursday, I thought I'd
 check email.  That's when we discovered our 6-7 year old HP crashed.
 We called HP, and they said it's just to old to fix.
 
 So, Thursday night, we went to Best Buy just to look around--see what's
 out there.  When asked, I told the sales guys we were just looking, and
 I really meant it!  We wondered over the the Mac table, and, of course,
 we were asked if we needed any help.  No, we're just looking,  I
 said.
 
 Then this really nice young sales guy comes up:  Need any help?
 No, just looking,  I said, while playing with the 21.5 inch all-in-
 one iMac.
 Then Darrel starts talking to him, then I join in, then the next thing
 we know we're being offered a deal we just couldn't walk away from--
 great, great deal.  So, we're a Mac family now.  My brother is a Mac
 guy--Finally and Congrats was his response.
 
 
 We've got it set up.  Darrel's first question was, Where are all the
 wires?  I have lots to learn; I'm totally discombobulated--  I'm
 amazed iPhoto does RAW, and it's editor reminds me of Lightroom a bit.
 I have to call Adobe tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let
 me upgrade to Ver. 3 at the upgrade price.  There will be lots of data
 transfer to learn too.  Oh boy, can't wait!
 
 All in all, we're really pleased with our purchases, but I do have new-
 gadget-fatigue.  The first shot, I think I actually took last week, but
 the other three I did take this week--so it's a legit paw-post.
 Nothing really great--I have been a bit preoccupied as they say.
 Cheers, Christine
 
 
 http://aguilapaw.posterous.com/
 
 
 
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RE: PESOs: Pirates of Penzance

2011-07-25 Thread Bob W
 My daughter Anna has her first real properly paid professional role as
 a singer and actor. She's in a touring company performing the Pirates
 of Penzance in the open air at various stately homes throughout July
 and August and she has the female lead role of Mabel. We went to see
 them at a Wintershill Hall in Hampshire and jolly good it was too.

Did you say she was going to play at the Minack Theatre? That's the place to
go if you get the chance.

 Here are a couple of snaps:
 
 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7322.html
 

Very nice. She certainly looks the p-Aaaar!-t

 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7285.html
 

Is that Brian Murphy (of George  Mildred fame) on the end?

 There's a whole gallery as well which is mainly for the benefit of the
 company, but I thought these two (the 1st one's Anna of course) were
 worth some comment / criticism.
 
 Cheers, Chris



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RE: Snaps from York

2011-07-25 Thread Bob W
  I spent the last few days in York. Here are some snaps for your
 enjoyment,
  disdain or complete indifference:
  http://www.web-options.com/YK/
 
  B
 
 Pigeon lady and the woman walking on the cobbles are excellent. The
 pub shots have potential, but none of them quite work for me - lack of
 a clear point of focus I think is the problem.
 
 Chris

Thanks, I agree. The pub was much darker than it looks. In Lightroom it
shows the aperture as f/1.2, although it was actually a f/1.4 lens. In any
case, quite thin depth of field. It's a great pub though.

B


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RE: PESO 2011 - 113 - GDG

2011-07-25 Thread Bob W
 
 Another photo in my Communicating series is now available for viewing.
 
   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5971957861/in/set-
 72157625844414410/lightbox/
 or
   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5971957861/
 
 Thanks for looking. Comments always appreciated
 
 Godfrey

beautiful light and tone.

B


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RE: GESO (6): some more earthquake photos

2011-07-25 Thread Bob W
 On the way back we had another look at the Catholic cathedral.  The big
 copper dome was due to be lifted off in one piece just as the
 aftershocks in June.  As it had sustained further damage and was less
 stable they decided to disassemble it instead.
 
 http://www.multi.net.nz/earthquake-july/
 
 Cheers,
 Dave

the cathedral reminds me of the domed building in the classic photographs of
Hiroshima after the bomb. Sad to see it like that. It also reminds me of the
Royal Naval College here, and what that might look like in ruins.

B


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Re: GESO (35): Sydney

2011-07-25 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:53 +1200, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz
wrote:
 Finally :)  I've had a run through my photos from our trip to Sydney last
 November.
 
 Sorry Brian, I didn't get any photos of you...



That's undoubtedly all to the good...

Just dropping in on my trip to central Australia - currently in Port
Augusta, South Australia.

I really like these:

IMGP4561.html
IMGP4642.html
IMGP4729.html


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/




 
 http://www.multi.net.nz/sydney-2010/
 
 Wishing we had that springtime Aussie weather at the moment.  We had
 about 3 inches of snow overnight and it's currently 0.6 degrees C at
 11am.
 
 It's still snowing at the moment, we've had two branches break off a tree
 and we've been out to try and take off as much snow as we can.  I might
 take the camera for a walk this afternoon when (if) it stops.
 
 Cheers,
 Dave
 
 
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Re: PESOs: Pirates of Penzance

2011-07-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Chris,
Nice pictures of the whole production, the lighting stands out.
The cast should love them.
Congratulations to you daughter on her first professional role.
You have multiple excellent shots of her.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 My daughter Anna has her first real properly paid professional role as
 a singer and actor. She's in a touring company performing the Pirates
 of Penzance in the open air at various stately homes throughout July
 and August and she has the female lead role of Mabel. We went to see
 them at a Wintershill Hall in Hampshire and jolly good it was too.
 Here are a couple of snaps:

 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7322.html

 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7285.html

 There's a whole gallery as well which is mainly for the benefit of the
 company, but I thought these two (the 1st one's Anna of course) were
 worth some comment / criticism.

 Cheers, Chris

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Re: PESO 2011 - 113 - GDG

2011-07-25 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Excellent. Perhaps the best of the series IMO.
 Paul

Agreed

Dave
 On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Another photo in my Communicating series is now available for viewing.

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5971957861/in/set-72157625844414410/lightbox/
 or
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5971957861/

 Thanks for looking. Comments always appreciated

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 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157625844414410/


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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 We've got it set up.  Darrel's first question was, Where are all the wires? 
  I have lots to learn; I'm totally discombobulated--  I'm amazed iPhoto does 
 RAW, and it's editor reminds me of Lightroom a bit. I have to call Adobe 
 tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let me upgrade to Ver. 3 at the 
 upgrade price.  There will be lots of data transfer to learn too.  Oh boy, 
 can't wait!

Congrats, i really am glad i went with my iMac.

Dave

 All in all, we're really pleased with our purchases, but I do have 
 new-gadget-fatigue.  The first shot, I think I actually took last week, but 
 the other three I did take this week--so it's a legit paw-post.  Nothing 
 really great--I have been a bit preoccupied as they say.   Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO - Nice Hat

2011-07-25 Thread David J Brooks
Very nice

Dave

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 A candid street portrait at today's Birmingham, Michigan street fair.


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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Nielsen
Finally, indeed!  I know how it stinks when your sewing machine is
down.  The last time that happened to me, it was a day before
Halloween  I was halfway finished with a polar fleece dragon costume
for my (then) four year-old.  Talk about panic.  :)

And congrats on the Mac.  Those are very useful, too.  We are in the
middle of  moving our office space... things are functional, but we
are in the very unfinished, ugly stage -- what I wouldn't give for an
all-in-one, with no spaghetti/wire mess dangling everywhere.  I'm
envious!

Wow, I'd say between you  Ann, you've got some serious shopping mojo
working in your favor... pass it on...

:)
-c



On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 Well, it hasn't been dull here.  My 10 year old used sewing machine died, so 
 we took it in last Sunday.  I'm out of touch with the latest models, so I 
 started looking around and couldn't believe some of the sale prices, and I 
 had the manager demonstrate the features on a top Singer model.    He offered 
 me an incredible deal--and I mean incredible--so I left promising him I'd 
 think about it.  Well, after getting the estimate for repairs, I decided to 
 buy it, and we bought the new machine on Thursday.   It works like a dream.  
 I made a blouse today.  The machine is such a joy to use!!!

 Well, after bringing the sewing machine home on Thursday, I thought I'd check 
 email.  That's when we discovered our 6-7 year old HP crashed.  We called HP, 
 and they said it's just to old to fix.

 So, Thursday night, we went to Best Buy just to look around--see what's out 
 there.  When asked, I told the sales guys we were just looking, and I really 
 meant it!  We wondered over the the Mac table, and, of course, we were asked 
 if we needed any help.  No, we're just looking,  I said.

 Then this really nice young sales guy comes up:  Need any help?
 No, just looking,  I said, while playing with the 21.5 inch all-in-one iMac.
 Then Darrel starts talking to him, then I join in, then the next thing we 
 know we're being offered a deal we just couldn't walk away from--great, great 
 deal.  So, we're a Mac family now.  My brother is a Mac guy--Finally and 
 Congrats was his response.

 We've got it set up.  Darrel's first question was, Where are all the wires? 
  I have lots to learn; I'm totally discombobulated--  I'm amazed iPhoto does 
 RAW, and it's editor reminds me of Lightroom a bit. I have to call Adobe 
 tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let me upgrade to Ver. 3 at the 
 upgrade price.  There will be lots of data transfer to learn too.  Oh boy, 
 can't wait!

 All in all, we're really pleased with our purchases, but I do have 
 new-gadget-fatigue.  The first shot, I think I actually took last week, but 
 the other three I did take this week--so it's a legit paw-post.  Nothing 
 really great--I have been a bit preoccupied as they say.   Cheers, Christine


 http://aguilapaw.posterous.com/



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Re: PESO: Bandit

2011-07-25 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Wonderful, Ken.  I really envy you.

I ran a few short amateur races decades ago, and entered a number of
weight-pulling contests.  I am afraid that I am far to old for sled
dog racing at this point, so I must content myself with enjoying
taking my dog out on short jaunts in the winter.

Dan
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 On a related note, I'm entered in a dog sled race next January. A kennel in
 the Upper Peninsula of Michigan - 'Nature's Kennel' offered a package that
 will include some training, instruction a dog handler along with a 4 dog
 team  sled to enter an appropriate class in a race that will run in the Two
 Hearted River area of the Upper Peninsula.
 I had done some sledding this last February with this kennel with a 6 dog
 team and just couldn't refuse this when the opportunity presented itself.
 This 6 dog team I had could run in the 8 to 12 mph range for 50 miles or so
 according to the dog handler.
 The dogs the kennel raises are smaller than malamutes and are bred for
 solely racing. They are around 50 to 60 lbs and are all muscle. Once I
 started to put them in harness, it was all I could do to restrain them. I
 did stop once for some photos  had to tie the sled off to a tree to prevent
 them from running off.

 Ed, the owner of the kennel, has been one of the highest placing sledders
 from the lower 46 in the Iditarod and has completed  the race 5 or 6 times.

 I'm hoping to capture some video and possibly some stills of the race. In
 February the zero degree cold got to the batteries before I could capture
 any images.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola
 danmaty...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: PESO: Bandit


 Thanks, Dave and Ken.

 My previous Malamutes all went to obedience training.  They generally
 were the first to learn each exercise, but the objected to repeating
 the exercises over and over.  Too Boring.

 I do have a dog sled (and a wheeled rig for training when there is no
 snow).  Of course, it takes more than one or two dogs to make a dog
 team, so I have to join up with other members of the local club so
 that we can run our dogs on the sled.  We will probably get a female
 in the spring -- somehow they are happier and better behaved if they
 have a canine companion -- but they have to be almost adults before
 they can be put on the sled.

 Dan
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



 On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:


 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola
 danmaty...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:24 PM
 Subject: Re: PESO: Bandit


 They are indeed clever dogs. I had a pair (male and female) who
 learned to hunt together, and caught a ruffed grouse in our back yard
 one year. They are dependable with people, but can be tough on other
 animals.

 Mine thought he was THE only dog.


 Dan
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



 On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:02 PM, P. J. Alling
 webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had a malamute when I was a kid, in some was the smartest dog I've
 ever
 known. She was an outdoor dog 90% of the time. When eating she'd finish
 most of her food then dump out a little bit of it for later, or so I
 thought, until I caught her using it for bait to catch crows. She
 learned
 to climb the fencing of her Kennel, and I ended up putting wire mesh
 over
 the top to protect the other animals in the neighbor hood. The crows
 were
 unfortunately too smart for their own good, they figured out how to get
 through the mesh. When cleaning her kennel, I'd find parts.

 On 7/23/2011 9:46 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 I know, PJ. This is our 7th Malamute, 4th male. They can be willful.
 So far, he is calmer and more eager to please than our previous
 Mals.

 The Malamute personality is pretty much that of the Wookie in Star
 Wars. The Wookie was modeled after George Lucas's Malamute.

 Dan
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



 On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:18 PM, P. J. Alling
 webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well don't spoil him too much. Malamutes are pretty willful to begin
 with,
 and while I've never seen a vicious malamute, I will tell you it's
 kind
 of
 like owning a large dog shaped cat from an obedience standpoint. If
 you
 don't impress upon him who's boss early, he'll only obey you when he
 wants
 to, which won't be often, and they are very strong, so out muscling
 him
 will
 be fun to say the least.

 On 7/23/2011 8:55 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Yes, he is already spoiled. What else does one do with pets?

 Dan
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



 On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, 

Re: PESOs: Pirates of Penzance

2011-07-25 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Congratulations to your daughter!

The images are also quite nice.

Dan
Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 My daughter Anna has her first real properly paid professional role as
 a singer and actor. She's in a touring company performing the Pirates
 of Penzance in the open air at various stately homes throughout July
 and August and she has the female lead role of Mabel. We went to see
 them at a Wintershill Hall in Hampshire and jolly good it was too.
 Here are a couple of snaps:

 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7322.html

 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7285.html

 There's a whole gallery as well which is mainly for the benefit of the
 company, but I thought these two (the 1st one's Anna of course) were
 worth some comment / criticism.

 Cheers, Chris

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RE: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-25 Thread Norm Baugher
Ni, ni, ni, ni!!!


From: Cotty


On 22/7/11, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

Sometimes they call at ungodly hours and say Ni to you.


This is true and not easily forgotten!




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Re: PESOs: Pirates of Penzance

2011-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Those are just right, Chris - shooting that kind of thing is so tough..
I'm guessing the shooting open air helped exposures a lot...
ann

On 7/25/2011 01:47, Chris Mitchell wrote:

My daughter Anna has her first real properly paid professional role as
a singer and actor. She's in a touring company performing the Pirates
of Penzance in the open air at various stately homes throughout July
and August and she has the female lead role of Mabel. We went to see
them at a Wintershill Hall in Hampshire and jolly good it was too.
Here are a couple of snaps:

http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7322.html

http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7285.html

There's a whole gallery as well which is mainly for the benefit of the
company, but I thought these two (the 1st one's Anna of course) were
worth some comment / criticism.

Cheers, Chris



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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Rick Womer
Christine,

David Pogue (tech writer for the NYTimes) has an excellent book, Switching to 
Mac, that is very helpful for recovering Windoze users.  He's an outstanding 
writer, and the book is a pleasure to read, as well as being very helpful.

Welcome to the Mac world!

Rick

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--- On Sun, 7/24/11, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 From: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com
 Subject: PAW--Week 29
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, July 24, 2011, 9:30 PM
 Hi Everyone:
 
 Well, it hasn't been dull here.  My 10 year old used
 sewing machine died, so we took it in last Sunday.  I'm
 out of touch with the latest models, so I started looking
 around and couldn't believe some of the sale prices, and I
 had the manager demonstrate the features on a top Singer
 model.    He offered me an incredible deal--and I
 mean incredible--so I left promising him I'd think about
 it.  Well, after getting the estimate for repairs, I
 decided to buy it, and we bought the new machine on
 Thursday.   It works like a dream.  I
 made a blouse today.  The machine is such a joy to
 use!!!
 
 Well, after bringing the sewing machine home on Thursday, I
 thought I'd check email.  That's when we discovered our
 6-7 year old HP crashed.  We called HP, and they said
 it's just to old to fix. 
 
 So, Thursday night, we went to Best Buy just to look
 around--see what's out there.  When asked, I told the
 sales guys we were just looking, and I really meant
 it!  We wondered over the the Mac table, and, of
 course, we were asked if we needed any help.  No,
 we're just looking,  I said.
 
 Then this really nice young sales guy comes up:  Need
 any help?  
 No, just looking,  I said, while playing with the
 21.5 inch all-in-one iMac.
 Then Darrel starts talking to him, then I join in, then the
 next thing we know we're being offered a deal we just
 couldn't walk away from--great, great deal.  So, we're
 a Mac family now.  My brother is a Mac guy--Finally
 and Congrats was his response.
 
 We've got it set up.  Darrel's first question was,
 Where are all the wires?  I have lots to learn; I'm
 totally discombobulated--  I'm amazed iPhoto does RAW,
 and it's editor reminds me of Lightroom a bit. I have to
 call Adobe tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let
 me upgrade to Ver. 3 at the upgrade price.  There will
 be lots of data transfer to learn too.  Oh boy, can't
 wait!
 
 All in all, we're really pleased with our purchases, but I
 do have new-gadget-fatigue.  The first shot, I think I
 actually took last week, but the other three I did take this
 week--so it's a legit paw-post.  Nothing really
 great--I have been a bit preoccupied as they
 say.   Cheers, Christine  
 
 
 http://aguilapaw.posterous.com/
 
 
 
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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Good to see you back on line, up and running. How about the sewing machine? ;-)

Shouldn't have any problem getting the upgrade to LR. Lightroom 3.4.1
works fine running in Mac OS X Lion. I installed the system update
on Thursday and am quite pleased to see a number of nice improvements,
a fusion of UI concepts learned from iOS now incorporated into Mac OS
X, and some significant improvements in usability and performance in
many subtle ways. The new Mail application implementation is
excellent.

onwards!


On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 Well, it hasn't been dull here.  My 10 year old used sewing machine died, so 
 we took it in last Sunday.  I'm out of touch with the latest models, so I 
 started looking around and couldn't believe some of the sale prices, and I 
 had the manager demonstrate the features on a top Singer model.    He offered 
 me an incredible deal--and I mean incredible--so I left promising him I'd 
 think about it.  Well, after getting the estimate for repairs, I decided to 
 buy it, and we bought the new machine on Thursday.   It works like a dream.  
 I made a blouse today.  The machine is such a joy to use!!!

 Well, after bringing the sewing machine home on Thursday, I thought I'd check 
 email.  That's when we discovered our 6-7 year old HP crashed.  We called HP, 
 and they said it's just to old to fix.

 So, Thursday night, we went to Best Buy just to look around--see what's out 
 there.  When asked, I told the sales guys we were just looking, and I really 
 meant it!  We wondered over the the Mac table, and, of course, we were asked 
 if we needed any help.  No, we're just looking,  I said.

 Then this really nice young sales guy comes up:  Need any help?
 No, just looking,  I said, while playing with the 21.5 inch all-in-one iMac.
 Then Darrel starts talking to him, then I join in, then the next thing we 
 know we're being offered a deal we just couldn't walk away from--great, great 
 deal.  So, we're a Mac family now.  My brother is a Mac guy--Finally and 
 Congrats was his response.

 We've got it set up.  Darrel's first question was, Where are all the wires? 
  I have lots to learn; I'm totally discombobulated--  I'm amazed iPhoto does 
 RAW, and it's editor reminds me of Lightroom a bit. I have to call Adobe 
 tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let me upgrade to Ver. 3 at the 
 upgrade price.  There will be lots of data transfer to learn too.  Oh boy, 
 can't wait!

 All in all, we're really pleased with our purchases, but I do have 
 new-gadget-fatigue.  The first shot, I think I actually took last week, but 
 the other three I did take this week--so it's a legit paw-post.  Nothing 
 really great--I have been a bit preoccupied as they say.   Cheers, Christine


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Re: OT - a shameless gloat.

2011-07-25 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 07:33:36PM +1200, David Mann wrote:
 
 After his previous second placings it's good for him to finally win it.  At 
 least it wasn't Contador.  There would be an outcry.

From some circles, anyway.  There is still a strong contingent of
the Contador can do no wrong club, and no small number who would
support him even if the charges pending against him are sustained.

I'm not a fan of his - I just don't like the impressions I get of
his personality.  But I could be wrong about that; the commentators
(who know more of the behind-the-mask persona than we in the TV
audience) seem to think more kndly of him. And, in any case being
at the top of the heap in a highly competitive sport doesn't leave
a lot of time for being a nice guy.

In any case, I thought the right people ended up on the right steps
pf the podium.  Personally I was hoping that Andy was going to get
the yellow jersey, but on the day he failed at the last hurdle.
 
 I'm probably going to set up a satellite receiver soon so we can pick up SBS. 
  The only way to get Tour coverage here is through the paid Sky TV service 
 which costs an arm and a leg.  Why pay all that when I can get it for only a 
 small initial outlay :)

I have arm-and-a-leg paid cable TV (it's the simplest way to get
Formula One coverage in the USA), but that does include Versus.
That gets me five or six hours of tour-de-france coverage a day;
three or four hours of live coverage, should I feel the urge to
wake up at ungodly hours to watch it (I let my TiVo handle that),
and a couple of hours of recap and discussion in the evening.


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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 08:00:10AM +0200, DagT wrote:
 Den 25. juli 2011 kl. 04.39 skrev John Sessoms:
 
  From: Eckehard Wegner
  2011/7/24 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:
  I'll never understand the complete absence of dignity in terrorist
  thought.
  I'd nominate this for a MARK ! if it sometrhing to do with photography.
  Which in turn prompted my memory to dump before my feet Adorno and his
  statement that writing poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric... can
  monstrosity really eclipse beauty? Nothing can bring back those killed
  but rather than to dismiss it as the act of a lone nutjob, erect the
  usual ugly memorial stone  and move on IMO the best thing to do would
  be to fill the island with the very spirit he was looking to
  destroy... so in a sense poetry is IMO imperative.
  
  Sorry if I rambled
  Ecke
  
  One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news reports 
  I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He should at least 
  be locked up the rest of his life.
 
 We have a law that let us keep them longer if they are still a danger to 
 society.

This underlines a major difference between the US and European prison systems.

The US sentencing is all about punishing the wrongdoer; European systems
tend to be a lot more about protecting society.

When I moved to the US (some thirty-plus years ago now) I was astonished
to see testimony from the family of victims being given so much prominence
at sentencing hearings.  It just seemed out of place, almost saying that it
was somehow more acceptable to murder people without families.


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Re: PESO - fountain garden

2011-07-25 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-24 17:27 , Paul Stenquist wrote:

Thanks Steve. It appears random. but there's a method to my madness:-).


oh i can tell it's not random; you should see my yard, which i often call a 
chaos garden ...


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Re: PESO: How hot IS it?

2011-07-25 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-24 09:14 , John Sessoms wrote:

From: Joseph McAllister

I see your system can't handle 'alt-shift-8' very well, so I'll drop it.


I have no idea what that means?


it's the Mac key sequence (alt=opt) for entering the degree symbol, which was 
garbled in the text you quoted from Joseph; it's not the key sequence that 
matters, the character was theoretically readable on your end (Joseph's email 
was sent in a Windows encoding); however your reply switched it to us-ascii 
which turns all extended characters into garble, even if they displayed 
correctly when you read the original message





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Re: Distance [was Re: V. Maier exhibition in London]

2011-07-25 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-20 17:34 , Bob W wrote:

For me the essence of street photography, when it's good (which is very
rarely), is what my film teacher referred to as 'the poetry of everyday
life'. Kertesz, I think, talked about 'small moments'. Elliott Erwitt said
that good photography 'is about noticing things'. All of these refer to the
same thing.


a name my father, among others, used for this was ordinary magic

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Re: PESOs: Pirates of Penzance

2011-07-25 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 25 July 2011 09:35, Bob W wrote:

 Did you say she was going to play at the Minack Theatre? That's the place to
 go if you get the chance.

No. They're in Penzance today and tomorrow, but at another venue.
There's a rival P of P there in September though!

 Here are a couple of snaps:

 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7322.html


 Very nice. She certainly looks the p-Aaaar!-t

Thanks me herty!


 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7285.html


 Is that Brian Murphy (of George  Mildred fame) on the end?

Please don't let them start a George and Mildred thread just yet!

Chris

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Re: PESOs: Pirates of Penzance

2011-07-25 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 25 July 2011 13:01, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Chris,
 Nice pictures of the whole production, the lighting stands out.
 The cast should love them.
 Congratulations to you daughter on her first professional role.
 You have multiple excellent shots of her.
 Regards,  Bob S.

Thanks Bob (and Ann who also commented on the lighting). The light was
very kind. It was a sunny evening with front of stage facing South so
the setting sun coming from the left. The tungsten stage lights
provided a nice fill in the first half and most of the light towards
the end. Only problem was that they were on stands in at the front of
the stage so got in the way a bit.

Chris

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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 25 July 2011 02:30, Christine Aguila  wrote:

Two new toys at once - lucky you!

Not too sure about the PAW though - that twig in the foreground
doesn't do much for it...

Cheers, Chris

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread Eckehard Wegner
Protecting society for one, yes, and also the belief is widely held
that prison is meant to motivate to resocialize even though by now it
is principally understood that this is not or not always or not
necessarily so... IMO juvenile offenders should be sent to prison for
a short time the very first time around rather than to give them
umpteen raised index fingers and then another umpteen wrist slaps and
then maybe after they've committed their first 15 or so violent crimes
to send them to kiddie prison with horseback riding and youth
discount... all that is achieved by doing so IMO is to teach them that
you can get away with a lot and maybe even get rewarded for it by
positive attention. Spending two nights in a cell with a bunch of
felons after your first shoplifting dare would probably cure a number
of people of wanting to experience that again. And no, I do not
believe in 3 strikes. I just think that if a threat is to be effective
it should be visible. And first and foremost, I believe that good
parenting, respect, attention and most of all education are the best
crime prevention out there. And as to Anders Bering Breivik or Andrew
Berwick as he liked to call himself on the internet is IMO a manic
nutjob who should be locked away from all and any publicity. That
would hurt him most.

2011/7/25 John Francis jo...@panix.com:
 On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 08:00:10AM +0200, DagT wrote:
 Den 25. juli 2011 kl. 04.39 skrev John Sessoms:

  From: Eckehard Wegner
  2011/7/24 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:
  I'll never understand the complete absence of dignity in terrorist
  thought.
  I'd nominate this for a MARK ! if it sometrhing to do with photography.
  Which in turn prompted my memory to dump before my feet Adorno and his
  statement that writing poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric... can
  monstrosity really eclipse beauty? Nothing can bring back those killed
  but rather than to dismiss it as the act of a lone nutjob, erect the
  usual ugly memorial stone  and move on IMO the best thing to do would
  be to fill the island with the very spirit he was looking to
  destroy... so in a sense poetry is IMO imperative.
 
  Sorry if I rambled
  Ecke
 
  One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news reports 
  I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He should at least 
  be locked up the rest of his life.

 We have a law that let us keep them longer if they are still a danger to 
 society.

 This underlines a major difference between the US and European prison systems.

 The US sentencing is all about punishing the wrongdoer; European systems
 tend to be a lot more about protecting society.

 When I moved to the US (some thirty-plus years ago now) I was astonished
 to see testimony from the family of victims being given so much prominence
 at sentencing hearings.  It just seemed out of place, almost saying that it
 was somehow more acceptable to murder people without families.


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testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
can you guys open this link?  Cheers christine



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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Bob Sullivan
Christine,
Link works fine, trash container  planter with T-mobile and Popeye's
across the street.
Hope the pictures look good on the new monitor.
Regards,  Bob S.

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GESO - Aussie Rules Football

2011-07-25 Thread frank theriault
The other day I was headed down to the lake to shoot whatever flora
and/or fauna was making itself available, when I heard the sounds of a
sporting event from the other side of the trees at what I knew to be a
playing field at a local college.  As I approached I ascertained that
they were playing Australian Rules Football - which I had no idea was
played in these parts.

But I was wrong.

Watched about 3/4 of a game and I'm still not sure I fully understand
it, but it seems a cross between Rugby and North American Football.
As opposed to our football, these guys actually kick the ball quite a
bit.  They catch it, too, and if they do that before the ball hits the
ground the whistle blows and they kick it again.

I think.

Seems like organized mayhem, with lots of scrums, yelling and swearing
(much of that with an Aussie accent - seems many of the players are
antipodean), but it was all in good fun:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/aussie-rules-football.html

Hope you enjoy this little gallery.  Comments welcome.

BTW, congrats to those of you down under for Cadell Evan's Tour de
France victory on the weekend.  Well done!!

cheers,
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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I can :-)

ann

On 7/25/2011 14:27, Christine Aguila wrote:

can you guys open this link?  Cheers christine



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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Bob.  The pictures look amazing, much better than the HP monitor.  Got 
Lightroom 3 set up, so uploaded a test print to my hosting site.  Seems to 
work.  Cheers, Christine




On Jul 25, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Christine,
 Link works fine, trash container  planter with T-mobile and Popeye's
 across the street.
 Hope the pictures look good on the new monitor.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com 
 wrote:
 can you guys open this link?  Cheers christine
 
 
 
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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
 Groovy!  Thanks, Ann!  Cheers, Christine



On Jul 25, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 I can :-)
 
 ann
 
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 can you guys open this link?  Cheers christine
 
 
 
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Re: PESOs: Pirates of Penzance

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
Great set, Chris!  I think the company will be pleased.  Anna looks great!  
Send big congrats to her.  Cheers, Christine



On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

 My daughter Anna has her first real properly paid professional role as
 a singer and actor. She's in a touring company performing the Pirates
 of Penzance in the open air at various stately homes throughout July
 and August and she has the female lead role of Mabel. We went to see
 them at a Wintershill Hall in Hampshire and jolly good it was too.
 Here are a couple of snaps:
 
 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7322.html
 
 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7285.html
 
 There's a whole gallery as well which is mainly for the benefit of the
 company, but I thought these two (the 1st one's Anna of course) were
 worth some comment / criticism.
 
 Cheers, Chris
 
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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Bulent Celasun
It does work!
And, I loved the overall feeling of your photo.

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2011/7/25 Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com:
 can you guys open this link?  Cheers christine



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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
The link works fine, but the web page looks a bit empty with that tiny
image.  G

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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
The sewing machine actually saves me hundreds of dollars a year, since i sew 
most of my own clothes; sewing has been a part of my life since I was 13.  
Cheers, Christine



On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote:

 Having to spend all that monies I am not sure if congrats are in order or
 not but at least it appears you got some good deals.
 
 ___
 You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/
 
 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Christine Aguila
 Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:31 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: PAW--Week 29
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 Well, it hasn't been dull here.  My 10 year old used sewing machine died, so
 we took it in last Sunday.  I'm out of touch with the latest models, so I
 started looking around and couldn't believe some of the sale prices, and I
 had the manager demonstrate the features on a top Singer model.He
 offered me an incredible deal--and I mean incredible--so I left promising
 him I'd think about it.  Well, after getting the estimate for repairs, I
 decided to buy it, and we bought the new machine on Thursday.   It works
 like a dream.  I made a blouse today.  The machine is such a joy to use!!!
 
 Well, after bringing the sewing machine home on Thursday, I thought I'd
 check email.  That's when we discovered our 6-7 year old HP crashed.  We
 called HP, and they said it's just to old to fix. 
 
 So, Thursday night, we went to Best Buy just to look around--see what's out
 there.  When asked, I told the sales guys we were just looking, and I really
 meant it!  We wondered over the the Mac table, and, of course, we were asked
 if we needed any help.  No, we're just looking,  I said.
 
 Then this really nice young sales guy comes up:  Need any help?  
 No, just looking,  I said, while playing with the 21.5 inch all-in-one
 iMac.
 Then Darrel starts talking to him, then I join in, then the next thing we
 know we're being offered a deal we just couldn't walk away from--great,
 great deal.  So, we're a Mac family now.  My brother is a Mac guy--Finally
 and Congrats was his response.
 
 
 We've got it set up.  Darrel's first question was, Where are all the
 wires?  I have lots to learn; I'm totally discombobulated--  I'm amazed
 iPhoto does RAW, and it's editor reminds me of Lightroom a bit. I have to
 call Adobe tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let me upgrade to
 Ver. 3 at the upgrade price.  There will be lots of data transfer to learn
 too.  Oh boy, can't wait!
 
 All in all, we're really pleased with our purchases, but I do have
 new-gadget-fatigue.  The first shot, I think I actually took last week, but
 the other three I did take this week--so it's a legit paw-post.  Nothing
 really great--I have been a bit preoccupied as they say.   Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
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Re: GESO - Aussie Rules Football

2011-07-25 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Aussies got Rules?  I would never have guessed.

Nice images, Knarf.

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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:44 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 The other day I was headed down to the lake to shoot whatever flora
 and/or fauna was making itself available, when I heard the sounds of a
 sporting event from the other side of the trees at what I knew to be a
 playing field at a local college.  As I approached I ascertained that
 they were playing Australian Rules Football - which I had no idea was
 played in these parts.

 But I was wrong.

 Watched about 3/4 of a game and I'm still not sure I fully understand
 it, but it seems a cross between Rugby and North American Football.
 As opposed to our football, these guys actually kick the ball quite a
 bit.  They catch it, too, and if they do that before the ball hits the
 ground the whistle blows and they kick it again.

 I think.

 Seems like organized mayhem, with lots of scrums, yelling and swearing
 (much of that with an Aussie accent - seems many of the players are
 antipodean), but it was all in good fun:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/aussie-rules-football.html

 Hope you enjoy this little gallery.  Comments welcome.

 BTW, congrats to those of you down under for Cadell Evan's Tour de
 France victory on the weekend.  Well done!!

 cheers,
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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
Isn't that goofy!?  Made me giggle so I snapped a pic.  Cheers, Christine




On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 so why did you throw out the divining rod... afraid to acquire more??
 
 ann
 
 On 7/24/2011 21:30, Christine Aguila wrote:
 Hi Everyone:
 
 Well, it hasn't been dull here.  My 10 year old used sewing machine died, so 
 we took it in last Sunday.  I'm out of touch with the latest models, so I 
 started looking around and couldn't believe some of the sale prices, and I 
 had the manager demonstrate the features on a top Singer model.He 
 offered me an incredible deal--and I mean incredible--so I left promising 
 him I'd think about it.  Well, after getting the estimate for repairs, I 
 decided to buy it, and we bought the new machine on Thursday.   It works 
 like a dream.  I made a blouse today.  The machine is such a joy to use!!!
 
 Well, after bringing the sewing machine home on Thursday, I thought I'd 
 check email.  That's when we discovered our 6-7 year old HP crashed.  We 
 called HP, and they said it's just to old to fix.
 
 So, Thursday night, we went to Best Buy just to look around--see what's out 
 there.  When asked, I told the sales guys we were just looking, and I really 
 meant it!  We wondered over the the Mac table, and, of course, we were asked 
 if we needed any help.  No, we're just looking,  I said.
 
 Then this really nice young sales guy comes up:  Need any help?
 No, just looking,  I said, while playing with the 21.5 inch all-in-one 
 iMac.
 Then Darrel starts talking to him, then I join in, then the next thing we 
 know we're being offered a deal we just couldn't walk away from--great, 
 great deal.  So, we're a Mac family now.  My brother is a Mac guy--Finally 
 and Congrats was his response.
 
 We've got it set up.  Darrel's first question was, Where are all the 
 wires?  I have lots to learn; I'm totally discombobulated--  I'm amazed 
 iPhoto does RAW, and it's editor reminds me of Lightroom a bit. I have to 
 call Adobe tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let me upgrade to 
 Ver. 3 at the upgrade price.  There will be lots of data transfer to learn 
 too.  Oh boy, can't wait!
 
 All in all, we're really pleased with our purchases, but I do have 
 new-gadget-fatigue.  The first shot, I think I actually took last week, but 
 the other three I did take this week--so it's a legit paw-post.  Nothing 
 really great--I have been a bit preoccupied as they say.   Cheers, Christine
 
 
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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Christine Aguila
christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 can you guys open this link?  Cheers christine

Sure, no problem. Not your greatest photo, however. ;-)

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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
I should add that I bought the machine used, and I forget how old it was when I 
bought it.  I had a Singer before the one I just traded in, and that was used 
as well, and I had it for probably about 20 years--my new machine should last a 
good long while!  The new computer is great, but I love my new sewing machine!  
Cheers, Christine




On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:23 AM, David Mann wrote:

 On Jul 25, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
 
 Well, it hasn't been dull here.  My 10 year old used sewing machine died, so 
 we took it in last Sunday.
 
 Wow, they don't make 'em like they used to.  Janet inherited an old Singer 
 machine that she thinks is about 50 years old.  It was owned from new by her 
 grandmother.  Still goes well but we don't use it very often.  For a few 
 dollars we were able to download the user manual for it.
 
 When asked, I told the sales guys we were just looking, and I really meant 
 it!
 
 I think they can sense the challenge.  Whenever I'm just looking I get 
 inundated by sales people.  Whenever I'm ready to buy something there are 
 none to be found.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila

On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:28 AM, Bob W wrote:

 Congrats - doing your bit for the global economy, you deserve a medal.
 
 I have to call Adobe tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let
 me upgrade to Ver. 3 at the upgrade price.  There will be lots of data
 transfer to learn too.  Oh boy, can't wait!
 
 I always get the n.0 versions on disk, and they include the PC and Mac
 versions, so I don't anticipate any problems for you, but you will need all
 your serial numbers so that it recognises that the upgrade is on top of a
 legit base.


Yep, no problem with the upgrade/download/switch-over whatnot!  Cheers, 
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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
Thknsa, Dvea!  Cheers, Christine



On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:38 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com 
 wrote:
 
 We've got it set up.  Darrel's first question was, Where are all the 
 wires?  I have lots to learn; I'm totally discombobulated--  I'm amazed 
 iPhoto does RAW, and it's editor reminds me of Lightroom a bit. I have to 
 call Adobe tomorrow about Lightroom--I'm hoping they'll let me upgrade to 
 Ver. 3 at the upgrade price.  There will be lots of data transfer to learn 
 too.  Oh boy, can't wait!
 
 Congrats, i really am glad i went with my iMac.
 
 Dave
 
 All in all, we're really pleased with our purchases, but I do have 
 new-gadget-fatigue.  The first shot, I think I actually took last week, but 
 the other three I did take this week--so it's a legit paw-post.  Nothing 
 really great--I have been a bit preoccupied as they say.   Cheers, Christine
 
 
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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila

On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Christine Aguila
 christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 can you guys open this link?  Cheers christine
 
  Not your greatest photo, however. ;-)

Ya, think.  ;-)  Big cheers, Christine


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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks for the helpful suggestion, Rick.  I just may pick that up.  Cheers, 
Christine



On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

 Christine,
 
 David Pogue (tech writer for the NYTimes) has an excellent book, Switching to 
 Mac, that is very helpful for recovering Windoze users.  He's an outstanding 
 writer, and the book is a pleasure to read, as well as being very helpful.
 
 Welcome to the Mac world!
 
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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
Yey, another seamstress!  As to the shopping--Businesses I think are eager to 
give deals because they need to sell.  There seem to be a lot of summer sales 
going on right now.  Thanks, Christine!  Cheers, Christine/Chicago



On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote:

 Finally, indeed!  I know how it stinks when your sewing machine is
 down.  The last time that happened to me, it was a day before
 Halloween  I was halfway finished with a polar fleece dragon costume
 for my (then) four year-old.  Talk about panic.  :)
 
 And congrats on the Mac.  Those are very useful, too.  We are in the
 middle of  moving our office space... things are functional, but we
 are in the very unfinished, ugly stage -- what I wouldn't give for an
 all-in-one, with no spaghetti/wire mess dangling everywhere.  I'm
 envious!
 
 Wow, I'd say between you  Ann, you've got some serious shopping mojo
 working in your favor... pass it on...
 
 :)
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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila

On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Good to see you back on line, up and running. How about the sewing machine? 
 ;-)
 
 Shouldn't have any problem getting the upgrade to LR. Lightroom 3.4.1
 works fine running in Mac OS X Lion. I installed the system update
 on Thursday and am quite pleased to see a number of nice improvements,
 a fusion of UI concepts learned from iOS now incorporated into Mac OS
 X, and some significant improvements in usability and performance in
 many subtle ways. The new Mail application implementation is
 excellent.
 

My brother told me not to upgrade to Lion just yet because he's heard it's a 
little buggy.  He said it will be great, but to wait a while.  Have you heard 
anything like this?  Cheers, Christine


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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
Really, you  don't think the photo is brilliant!?  I'm shocked!  :-)  Not the 
best week for photography, Chris.  I admit it!  Cheers, Christine



On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

 On 25 July 2011 02:30, Christine Aguila  wrote:
 
 Two new toys at once - lucky you!
 
 Not too sure about the PAW though - that twig in the foreground
 doesn't do much for it...
 
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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread Christine Aguila
Groovy!  Cheers, Christine


On Jul 25, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 It does work!
 And, I loved the overall feeling of your photo.
 
 Bulent
 -
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
 http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/bulentcelasun
 
 
 
 
 2011/7/25 Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com:
 can you guys open this link?  Cheers christine
 
 
 
 http://www.caguila.com/test
 
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Re: testing link

2011-07-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Worked fine as far as I can tell.  Unless it was supposed to do 
something other than open a gallery page.


On 7/25/2011 2:27 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

can you guys open this link?  Cheers christine



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Re: GESO - The Boys of Summer

2011-07-25 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Knarf shoots sports without bicycles ?!?! (and very well, too)

 The dirt is so light that it almost looks like ice... wait... it was shot in 
 Canada...  is it hockey baseball?

Hey, we play baseball up here, too.  Won the World Series, IIRC.
Okay, that was like 20 years ago, but still...

;-)

Thanks for the kind words, Rick, and thanks to everyone else who
looked and commented!

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Re: PESO - Base Hit

2011-07-25 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 I think that it's a huge improvement. The crop has everything necessary in 
 the photo, and nothing that isn't.

Thanks, Larry!

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Re: PESO - Base Hit

2011-07-25 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Sure! Coming to you off list.

Thanks for your constructive comments, Jack.  I really appreciate it.
I've looked at your crop and I do like it better.  I bit more dynamic.

Would you be offended if I cropped it similarly and posted same?

Thanks again!

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Re: PESO - Nice Hat

2011-07-25 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 And a very nice hat wearer as well.  Lovely candid shot!

Agreed!

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Re: PAW--Week 29

2011-07-25 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Really, you  don't think the photo is brilliant!?  I'm shocked!  :-)  Not the 
 best week for photography, Chris.  I admit it!  Cheers, Christine

Your photo makes a statement about the banality and sameness of our
urban/suburban existence.  Is that Chicago, Atlanta, New York,
Toronto?  Who knows?  Who can tell?  Who cares?

Sure, the photo's ugly (sorry, but it is), but I'm guessing that's the
point.  At least that's the point for me as the viewer.

It certainly works.

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Re: GESO - Aussie Rules Football

2011-07-25 Thread Larry Colen

On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Aussies got Rules?  I would never have guessed.

Without rules, you can't break them.

 
 Nice images, Knarf.

As always.


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Re: PESOs: Pirates of Penzance

2011-07-25 Thread frank theriault
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 My daughter Anna has her first real properly paid professional role as
 a singer and actor. She's in a touring company performing the Pirates
 of Penzance in the open air at various stately homes throughout July
 and August and she has the female lead role of Mabel. We went to see
 them at a Wintershill Hall in Hampshire and jolly good it was too.
 Here are a couple of snaps:

 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7322.html

 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PiratesOfPenzance2/slides/_IGP7285.html

 There's a whole gallery as well which is mainly for the benefit of the
 company, but I thought these two (the 1st one's Anna of course) were
 worth some comment / criticism.

Congrats to your daughter!

Wonderful set.  The company can't help but be pleased with those!

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Re: PESO 2011 - 113 - GDG

2011-07-25 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Excellent. Perhaps the best of the series IMO.

Such an good series it's hard to pick a best, but this would have to
be a strong contender.

Wonderful image, as always.  Outstanding as a stand alone photo,
stronger yet as part of the set.

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Re: PESOs: Pirates of Penzance

2011-07-25 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 25 July 2011 21:56, frank theriault  wrote:

 Congrats to your daughter!

 Wonderful set.  The company can't help but be pleased with those!

 cheers,
 frank

Thanks Christine and Frank. Yes, the company was delighted with the album.

Chris

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PAW81 - Rain again

2011-07-25 Thread DagT
Another one on Photo.net which will be added to my web page when I get home.

Not in the mood for a happy picture:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13857412
K-5, DA*50-135@135mm, f/10, 1/60, ISO100

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Re: PESO 2011 - 113 - GDG

2011-07-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
 Excellent. Perhaps the best of the series IMO.

 Such an good series it's hard to pick a best, but this would have to
 be a strong contender.

 Wonderful image, as always.  Outstanding as a stand alone photo,
 stronger yet as part of the set.

thank you all for your comments and compliments! I appreciate them. :-)

-- 
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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread Toralf Lund

On 7/25/11 5:50, Anthony Farr wrote:

On 25 July 2011 12:39, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news reports
I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He should at least
be locked up the rest of his life.



They probably don't hand out consecutive sentences like USA courts
give, either.  So perhaps we won't see a 2000+ year prison term
derived from each crime being penalised individually.  One of our
Norwegian friends might enlighten us on that question.
Correct. You can never get more than the maximum penalty for the worst 
offence.


But, like Dag said, even though 21 years is the maximum normal 
punishment, but one can also be sentenced to containment, which is 
indefinite, but with reassessment after a certain period, for crimes 
that violate the life, health or freedom, where there is a clear risk 
for repeat crimes. This was used e.g. in for several convicts in a 
high-profile case a few years ago where less violence seemed to be 
involved (if you can put it that way) - see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOKAS_robbery.


Some of this is also described in 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway. I believe the 
article is a bit inaccurate, but it does convey the basic principles.


- Toralf

A common ruse of prosecuters is to only charge a defendant with a
portion of the crime so that fresh charges can be brought after the
prisoner has served out his first sentence, and so on.  Send him down
for the murders, then another bite of the cherry for the bombings,
plus I'm sure there'll be a veritable shopping list of terrorism,
impersonation of a police officer, firearms, transport of dangerous
goods, and as many other things as the prosecuters have the creativity
to define.  These are all serious crimes so I don't think any statute
of limitations, if Norway has such a thing, would come into play.  If
it did, then they'd simply start with the crimes that expire first.
The prosecuter could make a very long game of this.

It's going to be a long time if ever before this man sees freedom.  I
really can't see him on the streets in 21 years, but even if that were
to happen he'd be unlikely to survive a year on the outside.  He's
made an awful lot of enemies.

regards, Anthony

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread Eckehard Wegner
Amazing: From 1994 to 2004 the Norwegian police fired approximately
79 shots; 48 of these were fired during the Nokas Robbery in 2004.
(from the NOKAS article). Probably closer to the LAPD's weekly
throughput. Man, you Norwegians sure are fortunate.

2011/7/26 Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net:
 On 7/25/11 5:50, Anthony Farr wrote:

 On 25 July 2011 12:39, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

 One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news
 reports
 I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He should at
 least
 be locked up the rest of his life.


 They probably don't hand out consecutive sentences like USA courts
 give, either.  So perhaps we won't see a 2000+ year prison term
 derived from each crime being penalised individually.  One of our
 Norwegian friends might enlighten us on that question.

 Correct. You can never get more than the maximum penalty for the worst
 offence.

 But, like Dag said, even though 21 years is the maximum normal punishment,
 but one can also be sentenced to containment, which is indefinite, but
 with reassessment after a certain period, for crimes that violate the life,
 health or freedom, where there is a clear risk for repeat crimes. This was
 used e.g. in for several convicts in a high-profile case a few years ago
 where less violence seemed to be involved (if you can put it that way) - see
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOKAS_robbery.

 Some of this is also described in
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway. I believe the
 article is a bit inaccurate, but it does convey the basic principles.

 - Toralf

 A common ruse of prosecuters is to only charge a defendant with a
 portion of the crime so that fresh charges can be brought after the
 prisoner has served out his first sentence, and so on.  Send him down
 for the murders, then another bite of the cherry for the bombings,
 plus I'm sure there'll be a veritable shopping list of terrorism,
 impersonation of a police officer, firearms, transport of dangerous
 goods, and as many other things as the prosecuters have the creativity
 to define.  These are all serious crimes so I don't think any statute
 of limitations, if Norway has such a thing, would come into play.  If
 it did, then they'd simply start with the crimes that expire first.
 The prosecuter could make a very long game of this.

 It's going to be a long time if ever before this man sees freedom.  I
 really can't see him on the streets in 21 years, but even if that were
 to happen he'd be unlikely to survive a year on the outside.  He's
 made an awful lot of enemies.

 regards, Anthony

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     to those who lack in mind and sight
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RE: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread Tanya Love
Perhaps, fortunate to a degree.  But, I shudder to consider living in a
region where a monster like this could potentially be back on the same
streets that my kids inhabit in just 21 years.  Even with the containment
period, I think that is a VERY low penalty to pay for what he has done.  I
am sure that the families of those he murdered would feel the same too...

Tan.x.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2011 8:48 AM
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Amazing: From 1994 to 2004 the Norwegian police fired approximately
79 shots; 48 of these were fired during the Nokas Robbery in 2004.
(from the NOKAS article). Probably closer to the LAPD's weekly throughput.
Man, you Norwegians sure are fortunate.

2011/7/26 Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net:
 On 7/25/11 5:50, Anthony Farr wrote:

 On 25 July 2011 12:39, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

 One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news 
 reports I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He 
 should at least be locked up the rest of his life.


 They probably don't hand out consecutive sentences like USA courts 
 give, either.  So perhaps we won't see a 2000+ year prison term 
 derived from each crime being penalised individually.  One of our 
 Norwegian friends might enlighten us on that question.

 Correct. You can never get more than the maximum penalty for the worst
 offence.

 But, like Dag said, even though 21 years is the maximum normal 
 punishment, but one can also be sentenced to containment, which is 
 indefinite, but with reassessment after a certain period, for crimes 
 that violate the life, health or freedom, where there is a clear 
 risk for repeat crimes. This was used e.g. in for several convicts in 
 a high-profile case a few years ago where less violence seemed to be 
 involved (if you can put it that way) - see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOKAS_robbery.

 Some of this is also described in
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway. I believe 
 the article is a bit inaccurate, but it does convey the basic principles.

 - Toralf

 A common ruse of prosecuters is to only charge a defendant with a 
 portion of the crime so that fresh charges can be brought after the 
 prisoner has served out his first sentence, and so on.  Send him down 
 for the murders, then another bite of the cherry for the bombings, 
 plus I'm sure there'll be a veritable shopping list of terrorism, 
 impersonation of a police officer, firearms, transport of dangerous 
 goods, and as many other things as the prosecuters have the 
 creativity to define.  These are all serious crimes so I don't think 
 any statute of limitations, if Norway has such a thing, would come 
 into play.  If it did, then they'd simply start with the crimes that
expire first.
 The prosecuter could make a very long game of this.

 It's going to be a long time if ever before this man sees freedom.  I 
 really can't see him on the streets in 21 years, but even if that 
 were to happen he'd be unlikely to survive a year on the outside.  
 He's made an awful lot of enemies.

 regards, Anthony

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     to those who lack in mind and sight
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Re: PESO - Base Hit

2011-07-25 Thread Jack Davis
Certainly not, Frank. I take your asking as generous consideration.

Jack

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 From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: PESO - Base Hit
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Monday, July 25, 2011, 1:39 PM
 On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Jack
 Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  Sure! Coming to you off list.
 
 Thanks for your constructive comments, Jack.  I really
 appreciate it.
 I've looked at your crop and I do like it better.  I
 bit more dynamic.
 
 Would you be offended if I cropped it similarly and posted
 same?
 
 Thanks again!
 
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Norm's back?!

2011-07-25 Thread Tanya Love

How did I miss that?!?

Tanya Love
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Re: Norm's back?!

2011-07-25 Thread William Robb

On 25/07/2011 5:30 PM, Tanya Love wrote:


How did I miss that?!?


Norm?

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread Eckehard Wegner
I would hope that the containment bit would only apply to regular
criminals whereas this guy who is quite obviously stark raving mad
would hopefully be locked away under a different law governing the
treatment of the dangerously mentally ill. Either way IMO someone who
murdered so many kids in cold blood wouldn't last long in prison
unless locked away in solitary. We must not forget though that hate
breeds hate and punishment has never brought back even a single
victim. But I admit that if I was father of one of the victims I doubt
I could walk past him without an attempt at his sorry life.

2011/7/26 Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com:
 Perhaps, fortunate to a degree.  But, I shudder to consider living in a
 region where a monster like this could potentially be back on the same
 streets that my kids inhabit in just 21 years.  Even with the containment
 period, I think that is a VERY low penalty to pay for what he has done.  I
 am sure that the families of those he murdered would feel the same too...

 Tan.x.

 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Eckehard Wegner
 Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2011 8:48 AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: I'm ok

 Amazing: From 1994 to 2004 the Norwegian police fired approximately
 79 shots; 48 of these were fired during the Nokas Robbery in 2004.
 (from the NOKAS article). Probably closer to the LAPD's weekly throughput.
 Man, you Norwegians sure are fortunate.

 2011/7/26 Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net:
 On 7/25/11 5:50, Anthony Farr wrote:

 On 25 July 2011 12:39, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

 One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news
 reports I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He
 should at least be locked up the rest of his life.


 They probably don't hand out consecutive sentences like USA courts
 give, either.  So perhaps we won't see a 2000+ year prison term
 derived from each crime being penalised individually.  One of our
 Norwegian friends might enlighten us on that question.

 Correct. You can never get more than the maximum penalty for the worst
 offence.

 But, like Dag said, even though 21 years is the maximum normal
 punishment, but one can also be sentenced to containment, which is
 indefinite, but with reassessment after a certain period, for crimes
 that violate the life, health or freedom, where there is a clear
 risk for repeat crimes. This was used e.g. in for several convicts in
 a high-profile case a few years ago where less violence seemed to be
 involved (if you can put it that way) - see
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOKAS_robbery.

 Some of this is also described in
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway. I believe
 the article is a bit inaccurate, but it does convey the basic principles.

 - Toralf

 A common ruse of prosecuters is to only charge a defendant with a
 portion of the crime so that fresh charges can be brought after the
 prisoner has served out his first sentence, and so on.  Send him down
 for the murders, then another bite of the cherry for the bombings,
 plus I'm sure there'll be a veritable shopping list of terrorism,
 impersonation of a police officer, firearms, transport of dangerous
 goods, and as many other things as the prosecuters have the
 creativity to define.  These are all serious crimes so I don't think
 any statute of limitations, if Norway has such a thing, would come
 into play.  If it did, then they'd simply start with the crimes that
 expire first.
 The prosecuter could make a very long game of this.

 It's going to be a long time if ever before this man sees freedom.  I
 really can't see him on the streets in 21 years, but even if that
 were to happen he'd be unlikely to survive a year on the outside.
 He's made an awful lot of enemies.

 regards, Anthony

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Re: Norm's back?!

2011-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Back??


On 7/25/2011 19:42, William Robb wrote:

On 25/07/2011 5:30 PM, Tanya Love wrote:


How did I miss that?!?


Norm?



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Re: PESO - Base Hit

2011-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I think that crop is a home run :-)
(somehow I missed this when it first came up... had to go 
back..BACK..BACK... in my PDML folder to find the link  - glad I did :-))


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On 7/23/2011 11:58, frank theriault wrote:

This is a re-do of the first pic of my recent Boys of Summer GESO:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/boys-of-summer.html

I really liked that first pic, but there was something just not
right.  After lots of hemmming and hawing, I decided to drop the
spectator on the left.  I'd first left him in there as his eyes seemed
to be following the hit baseball into the outfield.  But the more I
thought about it, I realized that the eyes of the young hitter (and
that wonderful expression on his face just after he smacked the line
drive) were all I needed - the spectator was just a distraction.  By
cropping him out, it brings the three at the plate (especially the
hitter) into focus.

At least I think so.  What think you?

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/base-hit.html

Your comments and suggestions will be welcome.  Hope you enjoy.

cheers,
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Re: Norm's back?!

2011-07-25 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Back??

Probably hairy.

 
 
 On 7/25/2011 19:42, William Robb wrote:
 On 25/07/2011 5:30 PM, Tanya Love wrote:
 
 How did I miss that?!?
 
 Norm?
 
 
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Re: PAW81 - Rain again

2011-07-25 Thread David J Brooks
You have a great eye.

Dave

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:18 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 Another one on Photo.net which will be added to my web page when I get home.

 Not in the mood for a happy picture:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13857412
 K-5, DA*50-135@135mm, f/10, 1/60, ISO100

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Peso - The hood in the 'hood

2011-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Calling all car geeks

hint: not a recent model


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1400461602_HK3Mr45/Large

This time I know what it is

Obviously, I got my card reader back in operation yayayay

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RE: Peso - The hood in the 'hood

2011-07-25 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Nice capture and nice to read you got your reader working...

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Calling all car geeks

hint: not a recent model


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/1538920
6_z3saz/1/1400461602_HK3Mr45/Large

This time I know what it is

Obviously, I got my card reader back in operation yayayay

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Re: PAW81 - Rain again

2011-07-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
Intriguing. I like it. 
Paul

On Jul 25, 2011, at 5:18 PM, DagT wrote:

 Another one on Photo.net which will be added to my web page when I get home.
 
 Not in the mood for a happy picture:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13857412
 K-5, DA*50-135@135mm, f/10, 1/60, ISO100
 
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Re: Peso - The hood in the 'hood

2011-07-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
This one has me scratching my head. Based on the shape of the hood and the 
mirror, i'd guess a 1960s Japanese car.
Paul

On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Calling all car geeks
 
 hint: not a recent model
 
 
 http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1400461602_HK3Mr45/Large
 
 This time I know what it is
 
 Obviously, I got my card reader back in operation yayayay
 
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Re: Peso - The hood in the 'hood

2011-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele
When I saw it there was a guy of my vintage near by... we were both 
admiring.. I guessed 1960 as the vintage... he said why don't you look 
on the registration? I said I cant read it too small type.. so he told 
me.  1960 was within 2 years.  not Japanese.  no more hints..
I'll post the full car at some point... but the shot wasnt as 
interesting to me


a

On 7/25/2011 21:28, Paul Stenquist wrote:

This one has me scratching my head. Based on the shape of the hood and the 
mirror, i'd guess a 1960s Japanese car.
Paul

On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


Calling all car geeks

hint: not a recent model


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/15389206_z3saz/1/1400461602_HK3Mr45/Large

This time I know what it is

Obviously, I got my card reader back in operation yayayay

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Re: Peso - The hood in the 'hood

2011-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/25/2011 20:51, Jeffery Johnson wrote:

Nice capture and nice to read you got your reader working...


Thanks and  phew, so am I!
ann


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http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-Snaps-2011/1538920
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This time I know what it is

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RE: Norm's back?!

2011-07-25 Thread Tanya Love
See what happens when I do some work!  Everything around here turns to utter
chaos!

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On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Back??

Probably hairy.

 
 
 On 7/25/2011 19:42, William Robb wrote:
 On 25/07/2011 5:30 PM, Tanya Love wrote:
 
 How did I miss that?!?
 
 Norm?
 
 
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PESO - Pan

2011-07-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
f25, 1/15th, ISO 160, DA* 60-250 @ 187 mm:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13859112size=lg

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RE: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread Tanya Love
I concur.

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I would hope that the containment bit would only apply to regular criminals
whereas this guy who is quite obviously stark raving mad would hopefully be
locked away under a different law governing the treatment of the dangerously
mentally ill. Either way IMO someone who murdered so many kids in cold blood
wouldn't last long in prison unless locked away in solitary. We must not
forget though that hate breeds hate and punishment has never brought back
even a single victim. But I admit that if I was father of one of the victims
I doubt I could walk past him without an attempt at his sorry life.

2011/7/26 Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com:
 Perhaps, fortunate to a degree.  But, I shudder to consider living in 
 a region where a monster like this could potentially be back on the 
 same streets that my kids inhabit in just 21 years.  Even with the
containment
 period, I think that is a VERY low penalty to pay for what he has 
 done.  I am sure that the families of those he murdered would feel the
same too...

 Tan.x.

 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf 
 Of Eckehard Wegner
 Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2011 8:48 AM
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 Subject: Re: I'm ok

 Amazing: From 1994 to 2004 the Norwegian police fired approximately
 79 shots; 48 of these were fired during the Nokas Robbery in 2004.
 (from the NOKAS article). Probably closer to the LAPD's weekly throughput.
 Man, you Norwegians sure are fortunate.

 2011/7/26 Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net:
 On 7/25/11 5:50, Anthony Farr wrote:

 On 25 July 2011 12:39, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

 One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news 
 reports I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He 
 should at least be locked up the rest of his life.


 They probably don't hand out consecutive sentences like USA courts 
 give, either.  So perhaps we won't see a 2000+ year prison term 
 derived from each crime being penalised individually.  One of our 
 Norwegian friends might enlighten us on that question.

 Correct. You can never get more than the maximum penalty for the worst
 offence.

 But, like Dag said, even though 21 years is the maximum normal 
 punishment, but one can also be sentenced to containment, which is 
 indefinite, but with reassessment after a certain period, for crimes 
 that violate the life, health or freedom, where there is a clear 
 risk for repeat crimes. This was used e.g. in for several convicts in 
 a high-profile case a few years ago where less violence seemed to be 
 involved (if you can put it that way) - see
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOKAS_robbery.

 Some of this is also described in
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway. I believe 
 the article is a bit inaccurate, but it does convey the basic principles.

 - Toralf

 A common ruse of prosecuters is to only charge a defendant with a 
 portion of the crime so that fresh charges can be brought after the 
 prisoner has served out his first sentence, and so on.  Send him 
 down for the murders, then another bite of the cherry for the 
 bombings, plus I'm sure there'll be a veritable shopping list of 
 terrorism, impersonation of a police officer, firearms, transport of 
 dangerous goods, and as many other things as the prosecuters have 
 the creativity to define.  These are all serious crimes so I don't 
 think any statute of limitations, if Norway has such a thing, would 
 come into play.  If it did, then they'd simply start with the crimes 
 that
 expire first.
 The prosecuter could make a very long game of this.

 It's going to be a long time if ever before this man sees freedom.  
 I really can't see him on the streets in 21 years, but even if that 
 were to happen he'd be unlikely to survive a year on the outside.
 He's made an awful lot of enemies.

 regards, Anthony

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 7/25/2011 19:11, Tanya Love wrote:

Perhaps, fortunate to a degree.  But, I shudder to consider living in a
region where a monster like this could potentially be back on the same
streets that my kids inhabit in just 21 years.


reading what everyone has written (below) about the laws there, that 
seems most unlikely.  I rather admire a society that considers 21 years
enough time for someone to be confined with a chance to be 
rehabilitated. This guy is an unusual and extreme case.  The civilized

purpose of prison is to protect people on the outside from harm's way.
The concept of punishment and Revenge are really repugnant to me -
Id like a world where Auden was wrong when he said  Those to whom evil 
is done, do evil in return  even though that _is_ the way things

are, alas.

ann the pacifist socialist


 Even with the containment

period, I think that is a VERY low penalty to pay for what he has done.  I
am sure that the families of those he murdered would feel the same too...

Tan.x.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2011 8:48 AM
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Amazing: From 1994 to 2004 the Norwegian police fired approximately
79 shots; 48 of these were fired during the Nokas Robbery in 2004.
(from the NOKAS article). Probably closer to the LAPD's weekly throughput.
Man, you Norwegians sure are fortunate.

2011/7/26 Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net:

On 7/25/11 5:50, Anthony Farr wrote:


On 25 July 2011 12:39, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.comwrote:


One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news
reports I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He
should at least be locked up the rest of his life.



They probably don't hand out consecutive sentences like USA courts
give, either.  So perhaps we won't see a 2000+ year prison term
derived from each crime being penalised individually.  One of our
Norwegian friends might enlighten us on that question.


Correct. You can never get more than the maximum penalty for the worst
offence.

But, like Dag said, even though 21 years is the maximum normal
punishment, but one can also be sentenced to containment, which is
indefinite, but with reassessment after a certain period, for crimes
that violate the life, health or freedom, where there is a clear
risk for repeat crimes. This was used e.g. in for several convicts in
a high-profile case a few years ago where less violence seemed to be
involved (if you can put it that way) - see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOKAS_robbery.


Some of this is also described in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway. I believe
the article is a bit inaccurate, but it does convey the basic principles.

- Toralf


A common ruse of prosecuters is to only charge a defendant with a
portion of the crime so that fresh charges can be brought after the
prisoner has served out his first sentence, and so on.  Send him down
for the murders, then another bite of the cherry for the bombings,
plus I'm sure there'll be a veritable shopping list of terrorism,
impersonation of a police officer, firearms, transport of dangerous
goods, and as many other things as the prosecuters have the
creativity to define.  These are all serious crimes so I don't think
any statute of limitations, if Norway has such a thing, would come
into play.  If it did, then they'd simply start with the crimes that

expire first.

The prosecuter could make a very long game of this.

It's going to be a long time if ever before this man sees freedom.  I
really can't see him on the streets in 21 years, but even if that
were to happen he'd be unlikely to survive a year on the outside.
He's made an awful lot of enemies.

regards, Anthony

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 to those who lack in mind and sight
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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread P. J. Alling
Unfortunately he's not stark raving mad, but he is delusional.   People 
can be delusional and still live normal lives, then they decided that 
they can fly, without the benefit of wings, or spark a crusade by 
personal example.


On 7/25/2011 7:48 PM, Eckehard Wegner wrote:

I would hope that the containment bit would only apply to regular
criminals whereas this guy who is quite obviously stark raving mad
would hopefully be locked away under a different law governing the
treatment of the dangerously mentally ill. Either way IMO someone who
murdered so many kids in cold blood wouldn't last long in prison
unless locked away in solitary. We must not forget though that hate
breeds hate and punishment has never brought back even a single
victim. But I admit that if I was father of one of the victims I doubt
I could walk past him without an attempt at his sorry life.

2011/7/26 Tanya Lovetanyal...@bigpond.com:

Perhaps, fortunate to a degree.  But, I shudder to consider living in a
region where a monster like this could potentially be back on the same
streets that my kids inhabit in just 21 years.  Even with the containment
period, I think that is a VERY low penalty to pay for what he has done.  I
am sure that the families of those he murdered would feel the same too...

Tan.x.

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Eckehard Wegner
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2011 8:48 AM
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Subject: Re: I'm ok

Amazing: From 1994 to 2004 the Norwegian police fired approximately
79 shots; 48 of these were fired during the Nokas Robbery in 2004.
(from the NOKAS article). Probably closer to the LAPD's weekly throughput.
Man, you Norwegians sure are fortunate.

2011/7/26 Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net:

On 7/25/11 5:50, Anthony Farr wrote:

On 25 July 2011 12:39, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.comwrote:

One thing that's disturbing me about all this is according to news
reports I've seen, the maximum sentence he can get is 21 years. He
should at least be locked up the rest of his life.



They probably don't hand out consecutive sentences like USA courts
give, either.  So perhaps we won't see a 2000+ year prison term
derived from each crime being penalised individually.  One of our
Norwegian friends might enlighten us on that question.

Correct. You can never get more than the maximum penalty for the worst
offence.

But, like Dag said, even though 21 years is the maximum normal
punishment, but one can also be sentenced to containment, which is
indefinite, but with reassessment after a certain period, for crimes
that violate the life, health or freedom, where there is a clear
risk for repeat crimes. This was used e.g. in for several convicts in
a high-profile case a few years ago where less violence seemed to be
involved (if you can put it that way) - see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOKAS_robbery.

Some of this is also described in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway. I believe
the article is a bit inaccurate, but it does convey the basic principles.

- Toralf

A common ruse of prosecuters is to only charge a defendant with a
portion of the crime so that fresh charges can be brought after the
prisoner has served out his first sentence, and so on.  Send him down
for the murders, then another bite of the cherry for the bombings,
plus I'm sure there'll be a veritable shopping list of terrorism,
impersonation of a police officer, firearms, transport of dangerous
goods, and as many other things as the prosecuters have the
creativity to define.  These are all serious crimes so I don't think
any statute of limitations, if Norway has such a thing, would come
into play.  If it did, then they'd simply start with the crimes that

expire first.

The prosecuter could make a very long game of this.

It's going to be a long time if ever before this man sees freedom.  I
really can't see him on the streets in 21 years, but even if that
were to happen he'd be unlikely to survive a year on the outside.
He's made an awful lot of enemies.

regards, Anthony

Of what use is lens and light
 to those who lack in mind and sight
(Anon)



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Re: OT How do you pronounce your name?

2011-07-25 Thread Scott Loveless
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Norm Baugher
nbaug...@baugherphotography.com wrote:
 Ni, ni, ni, ni!!!

Norm!

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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread steve harley

On 2011-07-25 19:43 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:

The concept of punishment and Revenge are really repugnant to me -

[...]

ann the pacifist socialist


right on, Ann!
it's hard in a case like this because it is an extreme example and emotions run 
high, but it is perhaps the best time to make such a point


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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
Revenge is repugnant. But punishment,which is essentially making one 
responsible for one's actions, is necessary to maintain any semblance of a 
civilized society. Nine years at the front of a secondary school classroom made 
that abundantly clear. 
Paul
 
On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:03 PM, steve harley wrote:

 On 2011-07-25 19:43 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 The concept of punishment and Revenge are really repugnant to me -
 [...]
 ann the pacifist socialist
 
 right on, Ann!
 it's hard in a case like this because it is an extreme example and emotions 
 run high, but it is perhaps the best time to make such a point
 
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Re: I'm ok

2011-07-25 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 09:03:20PM -0600, steve harley wrote:
 On 2011-07-25 19:43 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 The concept of punishment and Revenge are really repugnant to me -
 [...]
 ann the pacifist socialist
 
 right on, Ann!
 it's hard in a case like this because it is an extreme example and
 emotions run high, but it is perhaps the best time to make such a
 point

It's really the only time.

There's no merit in protecting the rights of people you agree with;
the true test of morality is if you can protect the rights of those
with whom you disagree on almost every significant detail.


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