Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Paul Stenquist]

You seem to say that gleefully. It's a valuable brand. Someone will probably 
buy it cheap if Ricoh fails.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
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> Pentax is domed!
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Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Zos Xavius]

Pentax is domed!

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Re: Q7 and macro

[Zos Xavius]

Enough talk. Results please. ;)

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jostein  wrote:
> I've tried the Q7 some more for stacks now, and noise doesn't seem to be a
> problem at ISO 100. That's one of the pros.
>
> Another pro is what I observed to begin with, that at the extreme end of
> magnification, certainly at 10X, the low vibration and high pixel density
> makes it possible to produce very detailed images. With the extreme crop,
> however, it also means that one needs several stacks to cover the surface of
> even a small subject, and then mount them like a mosaic to a complete
> picture afterwards. Lots of work, but it's nice to know that a method is
> workable for those smallest of critters when vibration becomes a showstopper
> with SLR-style cameras.
>
> A big con is that whatever chromatic aberrations are present in the optics
> are spread over more pixels when pixel density is higher.
>
> For more conventional macro stuff, I can only speculate yet. I suspect there
> is a sweet spot in the tradeoffs between magnification, DOF and focus range
> that justifies its use.
>
> Jostein
>
>
>
>
> Den 08.06.2017 21.55, skrev Mark C:
>>
>> With the demise of my original series Q I ordered a Q7, so I might try
>> some macro work with it.  The original Q was good for single shot macros but
>> not for focus stacks - too much noise compounding in the stack. Since a 1x
>> lifesized shot on the Q is more like a 5x shot on APS its much easier to
>> fill the frame with something small.
>>
>> I was tempted to abandon the Q system but my Q lenses would not fetch much
>> on the market and Q7's seem to be pretty affordable. And it is a fun system.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 6/4/2017 4:48 PM, Jostein wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Quick conclusion, it's quite a capable little beast, at least at low ISO.
>>>
>>> What I've tested so far is to hook it up to a macro slider, and do
>>> extreme macro tests with microscope optics in front of it.
>>>
>>> At any given magnification it naturally produces a much tighter crop, but
>>> the amount of detail preserved per surface area of critter is a lot better
>>> than in images produced with eg. the K-3 and the same optics. The tightly
>>> packed pixels of the small sensor is a good thing from this perspective.
>>>
>>> Vibration issues are, as expected, virtually nonexistent.
>>>
>>> Am optimistic about this now. :-)
>>>
>>> Jostein
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: OT lens cleaning

[David J Brooks]

No I have not. I'm reading some say it's OK and others say not so ok. I'm
not baby sitting Wed so I'll see what the local pusher has

On Jun 20, 2017 8:10 PM, "Larry Colen"  wrote:

>
>
> David J Brooks wrote:
>
>> Took my Nikon 70-200 vr f2.8 out for a spin today. The AF worked fine
>> for a few minutes then for the rest of the day it would stop orking
>> for a min then work again for a minute. What is the best method to
>> clean the contacts. I'll try that first before i drive it to their
>> service department to check out the AF motor.
>>
>
> Have you tried rubbing the contacts with an eraser? On both the camera and
> the lens?
>
>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: OT lens cleaning

[Paul Stenquist]

If you use an eraser be extremely careful not to get any bits of the abrasive 
eraser material in the camera. Whatever method you use, you should of course 
clean the contacts on both lens and camera.

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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> David J Brooks wrote:
>> Took my Nikon 70-200 vr f2.8 out for a spin today. The AF worked fine
>> for a few minutes then for the rest of the day it would stop orking
>> for a min then work again for a minute. What is the best method to
>> clean the contacts. I'll try that first before i drive it to their
>> service department to check out the AF motor.
> 
> Have you tried rubbing the contacts with an eraser? On both the camera and 
> the lens?
> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
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Re: OT lens cleaning

[Larry Colen]

David J Brooks wrote:

Took my Nikon 70-200 vr f2.8 out for a spin today. The AF worked fine
for a few minutes then for the rest of the day it would stop orking
for a min then work again for a minute. What is the best method to
clean the contacts. I'll try that first before i drive it to their
service department to check out the AF motor.


Have you tried rubbing the contacts with an eraser? On both the camera 
and the lens?




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Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Alex Sarbu]

"When in panic or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout" ;-)

Please ignore the alarmist Nikkei article - FTR Ricoh had to
officially deny 2 such "news", the one about closing down the camera
business (denied) and one about selling the leasing and semiconductor
businesses (not sure it means they won't sell those, or they didn't
decide if to sell or not).

Information can be found directly on Ricoh's site:
http://www.ricoh.com/IR/data/pre/pdf/h29q4_qa.pdf
http://www.ricoh.com/IR/pdf/presentation_text_2017.pdf

So, things are not rosy mostly due to their core copier business, and
they're reacting to prevent making a loss in FY2019. Ricoh Imaging
isn't doing that bad with the Theta and K-1.

Have fun,
Alex

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/For-Ricoh-it-s-a-sink-or-swim-moment
>
> This gives more credence to the story that Bipin shared back in April:
> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
>
> I have to believe that the Pentax division has made a name (and a
> larger market for itself) enough that it would be an attractive target
> for SOMEONE to purchase, but I **can't believe** that Pentax could be
> looking at yet another transitional period.
>
> Now that Pentax is using so many Sony chips, the company that really
> makes sense owning Pentax is Sony, IMHO. 
>
> We'll have to see how this plays out.
>
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Re: OT lens cleaning

[David J Brooks]

ok so just spray a bit on the cloth and wipe, i'll try that then

Dave

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> The spray. That's all I've seen in stores here, but I'm sure either will work.
>
> Paul via phone
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>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:55 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> do you get the drops or the spray?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> I use ROR lens cleaning solution on a clean microfiber cloth.
>>>
>>> Paul via phone
>>>
 On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:30 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

 Took my Nikon 70-200 vr f2.8 out for a spin today. The AF worked fine
 for a few minutes then for the rest of the day it would stop orking
 for a min then work again for a minute. What is the best method to
 clean the contacts. I'll try that first before i drive it to their
 service department to check out the AF motor.

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Re: OT lens cleaning

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The spray. That's all I've seen in stores here, but I'm sure either will work.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:55 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> do you get the drops or the spray?
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> I use ROR lens cleaning solution on a clean microfiber cloth.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:30 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Took my Nikon 70-200 vr f2.8 out for a spin today. The AF worked fine
>>> for a few minutes then for the rest of the day it would stop orking
>>> for a min then work again for a minute. What is the best method to
>>> clean the contacts. I'll try that first before i drive it to their
>>> service department to check out the AF motor.
>>> 
>>> Dave
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Re: OT lens cleaning

[David J Brooks]

do you get the drops or the spray?

Dave

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I use ROR lens cleaning solution on a clean microfiber cloth.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:30 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> Took my Nikon 70-200 vr f2.8 out for a spin today. The AF worked fine
>> for a few minutes then for the rest of the day it would stop orking
>> for a min then work again for a minute. What is the best method to
>> clean the contacts. I'll try that first before i drive it to their
>> service department to check out the AF motor.
>>
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Re: Q7 and macro

[Jostein]

I've tried the Q7 some more for stacks now, and noise doesn't seem to be 
a problem at ISO 100. That's one of the pros.


Another pro is what I observed to begin with, that at the extreme end of 
magnification, certainly at 10X, the low vibration and high pixel 
density makes it possible to produce very detailed images. With the 
extreme crop, however, it also means that one needs several stacks to 
cover the surface of even a small subject, and then mount them like a 
mosaic to a complete picture afterwards. Lots of work, but it's nice to 
know that a method is workable for those smallest of critters when 
vibration becomes a showstopper with SLR-style cameras.


A big con is that whatever chromatic aberrations are present in the 
optics are spread over more pixels when pixel density is higher.


For more conventional macro stuff, I can only speculate yet. I suspect 
there is a sweet spot in the tradeoffs between magnification, DOF and 
focus range that justifies its use.


Jostein



Den 08.06.2017 21.55, skrev Mark C:
With the demise of my original series Q I ordered a Q7, so I might try 
some macro work with it.  The original Q was good for single shot macros 
but not for focus stacks - too much noise compounding in the stack. 
Since a 1x lifesized shot on the Q is more like a 5x shot on APS its 
much easier to fill the frame with something small.


I was tempted to abandon the Q system but my Q lenses would not fetch 
much on the market and Q7's seem to be pretty affordable. And it is a 
fun system.


Mark

On 6/4/2017 4:48 PM, Jostein wrote:


Quick conclusion, it's quite a capable little beast, at least at low ISO.

What I've tested so far is to hook it up to a macro slider, and do 
extreme macro tests with microscope optics in front of it.


At any given magnification it naturally produces a much tighter crop, 
but the amount of detail preserved per surface area of critter is a 
lot better than in images produced with eg. the K-3 and the same 
optics. The tightly packed pixels of the small sensor is a good thing 
from this perspective.


Vibration issues are, as expected, virtually nonexistent.

Am optimistic about this now. :-)

Jostein






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Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Igor PDML-StR]

On the page that Gonz posted: 
https://www.dpreview.com/news/3586946955/ricoh-announced-cost-cuts-in-order-to-survive
look for the comment by Mistral75, where that user posts operating 
profits.


 Other (includes, but is not limited to, Ricoh Imaging): ¥1.4bn (FY2016) 
--> ¥(6.1)bn (FY2017, after ¥9.5bn impairment)


It is hard to say what else, besides Pentax os in that category. But
Pentax/Ricoh Imaging might, indeed, has increased the profit in this 
category due to the sales of the long-awaited K1. (I am not sure when 
their FY starts, it might have started in mid- or late-2016, when K1 was 
introduced.)
But that is still probably below the projected profits, according to this 
document:

https://www.ricoh.com/release/2017/0411_1.html
But I wouldn't be surprised that the "impairment" (which RonHendriks on 
that forum highlight that much) is not a problem, but just the way to

decrease their tax liability and satisfy the formal requirements of the
market (With the announcement).


In any case, if I understand correctly, So far, the talks are about 
reducing primarily the sales and services. But then, read the comment on 
the same DPreview page by DPPMetro:




"but if you need any kind of repairs or support down the road, you will be 
on your own."


In the fall, myself and others found out they shut down the miniscule pro 
service, which already had a much higher standard to get into than any 
competitor. We found out not by announcement, either. Pro Service is 
supposed to come with the 645 anyhow.


Next, they fired all the Pentax people in the US around the same 
timeframe, including our contacts.


Then they fired at least 1000 in the US alone when the last report by 
Nikkei was made.



And that what might hurt Pentax part.


Yet another thought, - I am not sure if at this stage Pentax is too much 
integrated with the rest of Ricoh Imaging, so that it cannot be separated 
and sold out without the rest of that division.




Igor



John Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:19:26 -0700

My read on the situation is Pentax appears to be one of the few bright
spots on Ricoh's balance sheet.


Probably won't save Pentax if the parent company founders, but Pentax
isn't the cause of their troubles.


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Re: Eroica and drone

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Having just reviewed the video I feel obliged for Health & Safety reasons to 
point out to Chris that he did not look behind before pulling out to pass the 
jogger. It's called a Life-Saver for a reason! 

You can tell which of us is the London commuter


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> Point of order, Mr. Speaker!
> 
> The riders are, indeed, both pre-1987, I'll grant you that.
> 
> But the bikes are also both pre-1987, as are their components - including, I 
> suspect, the brake blocks. 
> 
> Chris's jersey is vintage (mine are faux vintage).
> 
> Chris's MX is pre-1979 I believe; my Leica M3 is 1959, the 50mm lens is 1968.
> 
> Our charming companion, not seen in the video, is of course still only 21, as 
> she has been for many years and will remain for many, many more.
> 
> B
> 
>> On 20 Jun 2017, at 21:33, John  wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing that's observably old in that is the cyclists.
>> 
>>> On 6/19/2017 11:41, Chris Mitchell wrote:
>>> Bob W and I took part in Eroica Britannia - a 55 mile cycle ride where
>>> you have to ride a bike that's at least 30 years old, and dress up in
>>> period gear. A friend of mine met us on the route and took this `drone
>>> footage:
>>> https://youtu.be/MOSYxry9uZI
>>> 
>>> We look suitably heroic here - it was early on and a nice flat bit of
>>> old railway turned into a cycle route.
>>> 
>>> Not quite OT as I was carrying my MX over my shoulder.
>>> 
>>> Chris
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Re: Eroica and drone

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Point of order, Mr. Speaker!

The riders are, indeed, both pre-1987, I'll grant you that.

But the bikes are also both pre-1987, as are their components - including, I 
suspect, the brake blocks. 

Chris's jersey is vintage (mine are faux vintage).

Chris's MX is pre-1979 I believe; my Leica M3 is 1959, the 50mm lens is 1968.

Our charming companion, not seen in the video, is of course still only 21, as 
she has been for many years and will remain for many, many more.

B

> On 20 Jun 2017, at 21:33, John  wrote:
> 
> The only thing that's observably old in that is the cyclists.
> 
>> On 6/19/2017 11:41, Chris Mitchell wrote:
>> Bob W and I took part in Eroica Britannia - a 55 mile cycle ride where
>> you have to ride a bike that's at least 30 years old, and dress up in
>> period gear. A friend of mine met us on the route and took this `drone
>> footage:
>> https://youtu.be/MOSYxry9uZI
>> 
>> We look suitably heroic here - it was early on and a nice flat bit of
>> old railway turned into a cycle route.
>> 
>> Not quite OT as I was carrying my MX over my shoulder.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
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Re: OT lens cleaning

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I use ROR lens cleaning solution on a clean microfiber cloth.

Paul via phone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:30 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Took my Nikon 70-200 vr f2.8 out for a spin today. The AF worked fine
> for a few minutes then for the rest of the day it would stop orking
> for a min then work again for a minute. What is the best method to
> clean the contacts. I'll try that first before i drive it to their
> service department to check out the AF motor.
> 
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OT lens cleaning

[David J Brooks]

Took my Nikon 70-200 vr f2.8 out for a spin today. The AF worked fine
for a few minutes then for the rest of the day it would stop orking
for a min then work again for a minute. What is the best method to
clean the contacts. I'll try that first before i drive it to their
service department to check out the AF motor.

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Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[John]

My read on the situation is Pentax appears to be one of the few bright
spots on Ricoh's balance sheet.

Probably won't save Pentax if the parent company founders, but Pentax
isn't the cause of their troubles.

On 6/19/2017 17:51, Darren Addy wrote:

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/For-Ricoh-it-s-a-sink-or-swim-moment

This gives more credence to the story that Bipin shared back in April:
http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business

I have to believe that the Pentax division has made a name (and a
larger market for itself) enough that it would be an attractive target
for SOMEONE to purchase, but I **can't believe** that Pentax could be
looking at yet another transitional period.

Now that Pentax is using so many Sony chips, the company that really
makes sense owning Pentax is Sony, IMHO. 

We'll have to see how this plays out.

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Re: Eroica and drone

[John]

The only thing that's observably old in that is the cyclists.

On 6/19/2017 11:41, Chris Mitchell wrote:

Bob W and I took part in Eroica Britannia - a 55 mile cycle ride where
you have to ride a bike that's at least 30 years old, and dress up in
period gear. A friend of mine met us on the route and took this `drone
footage:
https://youtu.be/MOSYxry9uZI

We look suitably heroic here - it was early on and a nice flat bit of
old railway turned into a cycle route.

Not quite OT as I was carrying my MX over my shoulder.

Chris



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Re: GESO - Photo Exhibit

[Mark C]

Thanks, Chris! That's exactly the look and tradition I was trying to 
evoke. The reception was fun. Lots of good comments and feedback. I was 
happy that many people tuned into the less showy images - like the 
milkweed seedpod and the vine tendrils.


Now I can finally get back to making more photos.

Mark


On 6/19/2017 11:34 AM, Chris Mitchell wrote:

A great set and I trust the exhibition went well. To me, they're a
modern take on the work of the 18th and 19th century artists who
accompanied the plant collectors and made exquisite paintings.
Fantastic work Mark.

Chris

On 16 June 2017 at 02:39, Mark C  wrote:

I have a little photo exhibit opening at the Carnegie Center for the Arts in
nearby Three Rivers, Michigan. It was hung yesterday - nice venue in the
what would have once been the main lobby of an old Carnegie Library.  Its a
collection of the plant photos I've been working on lately and is named
"Botanical Studies."

Here's a geso of the images in the show:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/botanical-studies-full-show?blog=9

And here is the announcement post on my website:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/botanical-studies-exhibit

I've shared many of the images in the past few months, though in most cases
the posted images were not the final print. All of the photos were made
between February and May of this year - kind of a first for me to come up
with a photo project and see it through to a framed set of prints in a fixed
time.

Four other exhibits are opening at the center on the same day - so this
Sunday's reception should be interesting.

Mark





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Re: French trip

[Bob W-PDML]

I will make a note in my diary for when I start planning the year's escapes 
just after Christmas

> On 20 Jun 2017, at 01:14, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> Next year, then.  You can see the DaVinci if it's back from restoration.
> 
>> On 19 June 2017 at 19:14 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> That would be great - I'd love to go there, especially with someone who knows
>> what they're looking at. Sadly not this year though; I'm going to the
>> Edinburgh Festival the week before, and have used up my leave allowance (and
>> money) except for a few days saved for Christmas.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 18:33, mike wilson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 13-18/08/17.  Then we are off into the deepest, darkest corner where lurks
>>> the
>>> source of at least a couple of PDMLers.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bieszczady_Mountains
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bieszczady_National_Park
>>> 
>>> 
 On 19 June 2017 at 18:12 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
 
 
 I think an on-site investigation is called for to settle this.
 
 B
 
> On 19 Jun 2017, at 17:46, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> Sorry; Krakow has won that every year since 1989.  Which means it can't
> just
> be
> me getting old(er).  I hope.
> 
>> On 19 June 2017 at 01:41 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks all.
>> 
>> I can't help it, Larry, sorry. And on the way back I spent a night in
>> Paris,
>> and decided that it must be European City of Crumpet 2017. Unbelievable
>> subject matter.
>> 
>>> On 16 Jun 2017, at 18:48, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice set, looks like a great time.
>>> 
>>> You seem to have similar problems as Bruce, pretty girls seems to have
>>> wandered into several of your shots as you were taking them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob W-PDML wrote:
 I've been back from my French bike ride since Sunday evening. I didn't
 do
 as much as I'd planned, unfortunately. By the time I'd arrived at
 Montlucon
 it was too late to cycle the 400km to Avignon through the Ardeche, so I
 jumped on a train and had three unplanned and enjoyable days in
 Avignon,
 which is a great city.
 
 Here are some of the photos I've been able to look at so far.
 
 https://web-options.com/2017/06/15/a-few-shots-from-avignon/
 
 https://web-options.com/2017/06/15/lisle-sur-la-sorgue/
 
 I'll publish some more next week. Going away this weekend (shooting
 film
 on
 my M3), so can't do anything for a few days.
 
 Bob
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