date:20180228

You shouldn't need to keep them.  The unpacking process before 
installing may leave behind a number of intermediate temporary files you 
don't need either.



On 2/28/2018 8:37 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the 
installer EXE files that I downloaded?


Specifically:    palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe
    Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe

Do I need to keep them?



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Re: OT: second test and dumb question

2018-02-28 Thread Brian Walters

As Igor said, you don't need to keep them but I usually do in case I need to go
back to that version if a future update doesn't work.  eg. about a year ago I
updated Firefox and found it wouldn't load on my PC so I reinstalled the earlier
version from the saved installer.  

Cheers

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> On 01 March 2018 at 12:37 John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> 
> After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the 
> installer EXE files that I downloaded?
> 
> Specifically: palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe
>   Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe
> 
> Do I need to keep them?
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Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year

2018-02-28 Thread John Francis

The frequency of problems encountered with Windows 10 is pretty strongly 
correlated
with how unusual your configuration is.  If you're running a machine that is 
identical
to thousands of other machines out there, youre not likely to run into many 
problems.

If, on the other hand, you have a system that you've built yourself from a 
variety
of different components, you're on somewhat shakier ground.  Not every device 
has
new W10 drivers, and even if your ones do it's unlikely that the device 
manufacturer
tested their new driver on a machine that matches your configuration (and even 
less
likely that any testing had all the newest drivers for all the other devices).  
Most
of the time you'll be fine, and there won't be interactions between the drivers 
(even
if you're using old W7 drivers because there isn't a W10 driver for one or more 
devices).
But if you're one of the unlucky ones who is the first to trip over a 
particular bug
you're stuck, and you're unlikely to get any help determining which of the 
devices is
actually causing your problem (and even less likely to get the manufacturer of 
the
device to admit responsibility and fix the problem).

Laptops, of course, are sold in far more limited configurations (and the W10 
pre-install
compatibility tester knows about most of them), so if W10 is prepared to 
install itself on
the laptop it's probably going to work.

It's because he was switching to a a laptop from a mainstream manufacturer (and 
a fairly
up-to-date one at that) that I suggested John might want to reconsider his 
position
vis-a-vis Windows 10. I had no significant problems upgrading either of my 
notebooks
(the Dell XPS13 I bought five years ago or the HP8740w that was a couple of 
years older),
although since then the HP has succumbed to hardware failures.
While you're going through the hassle of porting everything to a new machine 
anyway is
the best time to change the operating system - you don't really want to go 
through all
the grief again in a couple of years.  In fact the W7 - W10 upgrade was only 
the second
time I upgraded the OS on one of my systems (the other was back in the Windows 
NT era);
most of the time I kept the machines running the OS that was initially 
installed.

On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 10:34:38AM +1000, John Coyle wrote:
>  There must be something I don't get: I started with DOS, worked with every 
> iteration of Windows
> from 3.1 to 10 (except 8), and never had serious issues.  I'm still running a 
> copy of Lotus 1-2-3
> from 1995, and it's working just as it always did.
> The upgrade from W7 to W10 took a little time but never faltered, and now 
> it's generally stable.
> The only annoyance I have is, very occasionally, it will start an update 
> while I'm working, and in
> doing so can stop some services, but it's easily overcome by a warm boot - 
> which doesn't seem to
> cruel the update!
> 
> 
> John in Brisbane
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
> Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2018 9:13 AM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year
> 
> On 2/28/2018 16:42, John Coyle wrote:
> > On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at 
> > least 7 if not XP, previously submitted information is available if you 
> > type the first letter of
> the information as a dropdown.
> > More than that, I notice that on at least one line banking system, 
> > when making payments, previously entered references are also available.
> > Perhaps that is an advantage of using Windows, despite the naysayers in 
> > this group?
> > 
> 
> The advantage for me was Windows has always been mostly hardware agnostic. I 
> could buy parts, plug
> 'em together; boot up the install disk and get a working, usable system ... 
> up until Windoze 10.
> 
> When I wanted to actually do some work, the applications I needed to use 
> would function. Sometimes
> it was aggravating. It took trial and error to get it going, but eventually 
> it *DID* get going.
> Often it was FUGLY, but it worked.
> 
> That's why I'm so hostile towards Windoze 10. It didn't work. After all the 
> nagging and aggravation
> they put me through, it wouldn't work.
> 
> 
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Re: OT: second test and dumb question



No. You don't need to keep them.

But I typically do keep all the installer files.
It was only ones or twice in the 21st century that I went back to them on 
the same computer. (I've went to them for a different computer, - but not

for such frequently updated software as web browser and Thunderbird.)
I usually save them on one of the backup drives.

Igor



John Sessoms Wed, 28 Feb 2018 17:38:42 -0800 wrote:

After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the 
installer EXE files that I downloaded?



Specifically:   palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe
Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe


Do I need to keep them?

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OT: second test and dumb question

2018-02-28 Thread John Sessoms

After I install the web browser & email client, do I need to keep the 
installer EXE files that I downloaded?


Specifically:   palemoon-27.7.2.win64.installer dotexe
Thunderbird Setup 52.6.0 dotexe

Do I need to keep them?

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Re: OT: First Test from new Laptop

2018-02-28 Thread lrc



On February 28, 2018 5:28:38 PM PST, John Sessoms  
wrote:
>Setting up the email client on my new laptop and want to see if I can 
>communicate with the PDML list.
>
>Can you see me now?

Yup, you're as handsome as Bill

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OT: First Test from new Laptop

2018-02-28 Thread John Sessoms

Setting up the email client on my new laptop and want to see if I can 
communicate with the PDML list.


Can you see me now?

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RE: PDML Annual book - request for next year

2018-02-28 Thread John Coyle

 There must be something I don't get: I started with DOS, worked with every 
iteration of Windows
from 3.1 to 10 (except 8), and never had serious issues.  I'm still running a 
copy of Lotus 1-2-3
from 1995, and it's working just as it always did.
The upgrade from W7 to W10 took a little time but never faltered, and now it's 
generally stable.
The only annoyance I have is, very occasionally, it will start an update while 
I'm working, and in
doing so can stop some services, but it's easily overcome by a warm boot - 
which doesn't seem to
cruel the update!

John in Brisbane

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2018 9:13 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year

On 2/28/2018 16:42, John Coyle wrote:
> On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at 
> least 7 if not XP, previously submitted information is available if you type 
> the first letter of
the information as a dropdown.
> More than that, I notice that on at least one line banking system, 
> when making payments, previously entered references are also available.
> Perhaps that is an advantage of using Windows, despite the naysayers in this 
> group?
> 

The advantage for me was Windows has always been mostly hardware agnostic. I 
could buy parts, plug
'em together; boot up the install disk and get a working, usable system ... up 
until Windoze 10.

When I wanted to actually do some work, the applications I needed to use would 
function. Sometimes
it was aggravating. It took trial and error to get it going, but eventually it 
*DID* get going.
Often it was FUGLY, but it worked.

That's why I'm so hostile towards Windoze 10. It didn't work. After all the 
nagging and aggravation
they put me through, it wouldn't work.

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RE: New laptop

2018-02-28 Thread John Coyle

John, Windows Defender has been rated very good by an Australian PC magazine 
(one with a good
reputation!), and I use it and Trend Micro's AV software as well. TM allows me 
to protect up to 5
PC's for one licence, which covers my needs.  Norton I found a resource hog, 
and as you say, AVG is
heading the same way.  I can't say I would trust Kapersky now, given their 
location!

John in Brisbane

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2018 8:40 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: New laptop

On 2/28/2018 00:37, mike wilson wrote:
>> On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote:
 My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a 
 refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB 
 SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit.

 Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able to 
 run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop.
>>> 
>>> This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows 10. 
>>> You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support for W7. 
>>> That means there won't even be any security updates after Jan 2020.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn it 
>> into a Hackintosh.
> 
> UBUNTU is an easy install.  Download the file and write it to a DVD - 
> maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow 
> instructions.  Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird.
> (Windows) problems fixed, permanently.
> 

For now I'm sticking with Windoze7, at least until Micro$oft murders it.

But, yes, most likely Ubuntu when my paranoia level at the lack of security 
updates after Jan 2020.

I am pretty much removing ALL of the pre-installed "software" to make room for 
the programs *I* use.
The trial versions of Word Perfect and Quatro Pro are going bye-bye; so is 
"BullGuard".

Open Office, here I come.

Antivirus software? How does Windoze Defender compare to aftermarket products?

None of the reviews (PC Magazine, PC World, TopTen) even list it. But I'm not 
sure how much faith I
can put in them, because some of them rate Norton highest (and the others 
recommend it highly).

My previous experience with Norton is why I'm using AVG currently.
Recently AVG has begun exhibiting the same behavior that pissed me off against 
Norton.

Definitely not going with Kaspersky. Maybe Bitdefender or Avast?

Or is Windoze Defender good enough?

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Re: New laptop

2018-02-28 Thread Brian Walters

WordPerfect?  Quottro Pro?

Are they still around?



Cheers

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Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/


> On 01 March 2018 at 09:40 John  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2/28/2018 00:37, mike wilson wrote:
> >> On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote:
>  My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a 
>  refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB
>  SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit.
>  
>  Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able
>  to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop.
> >>> 
> >>> This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows
> >>> 10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support
> >>> for W7. That means there won't even be any security updates after
> >>> Jan 2020.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn
> >> it into a Hackintosh.
> > 
> > UBUNTU is an easy install.  Download the file and write it to a DVD -
> > maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow
> > instructions.  Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird.
> > (Windows) problems fixed, permanently.
> > 
> 
> For now I'm sticking with Windoze7, at least until Micro$oft murders it.
> 
> But, yes, most likely Ubuntu when my paranoia level at the lack of
> security updates after Jan 2020.
> 
> I am pretty much removing ALL of the pre-installed "software" to make
> room for the programs *I* use. The trial versions of Word Perfect and
> Quatro Pro are going bye-bye; so is "BullGuard".
> 
> Open Office, here I come.
> 
> Antivirus software? How does Windoze Defender compare to aftermarket
> products?
> 
> None of the reviews (PC Magazine, PC World, TopTen) even list it. But
> I'm not sure how much faith I can put in them, because some of them
> rate Norton highest (and the others recommend it highly).
> 
> My previous experience with Norton is why I'm using AVG currently.
> Recently AVG has begun exhibiting the same behavior that pissed me off
> against Norton.
> 
> Definitely not going with Kaspersky. Maybe Bitdefender or Avast?
> 
> Or is Windoze Defender good enough?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: PDML Annual book - request for next year



That's a property/feature of the web browser. And you can configure
most modern web browsers to remember information into the forms or not.
It's unrelated to the OS.

Igor


John Coyle Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:43:08 -0800 wrote:

On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at least 
7 if not XP, previously submitted information is available if you type the 
first letter of the information as a dropdown. More than that, I notice 
that on at least one line banking system, when making payments, previously 
entered references are also available. Perhaps that is an advantage of 
using Windows, despite the naysayers in this group?




John in Brisbane


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Re: PESO - What's beneath? -- with the correct link




Ghm... the question in the title of the photo was partly rhetorical...
But I was thinking more in terms of the beautiful land with mountains and 
valleys, paths and roads, other people, etc.


But yes, it is a gondola, and it can be seen in this photo, which, I
might have shown a year ago:
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/2017-02-PanoramaSnowBird-7.jpg

Igor


 John Wed, 28 Feb 2018 14:46:51 -0800 wrote:

My guess would be a gondola. The cables suggest either that or a
chair lift, and I don't see any chairs.


On 2/28/2018 14:28, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Oops.. I've changed the file name, but forgot to change the link.

Here is the correct link:
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_beneath-P1090948.jpg
My apology for the mistake!

(Alan: thanks for notifying!)

Igor


On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT:

What's beneath and in front?
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg
(This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while 
skiing.)


To me, this photo has some philosophical hue.

All comments and critique are always very welcome!


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Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year


On 2/28/2018 16:42, John Coyle wrote:

On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at least 7 if 
not XP, previously
submitted information is available if you type the first letter of the 
information as a dropdown.
More than that, I notice that on at least one line banking system, when making 
payments, previously
entered references are also available.
Perhaps that is an advantage of using Windows, despite the naysayers in this 
group?



The advantage for me was Windows has always been mostly hardware agnostic. I 
could buy parts, plug
'em together; boot up the install disk and get a working, usable system ... up 
until Windoze 10.

When I wanted to actually do some work, the applications I needed to use would 
function. Sometimes it
was aggravating. It took trial and error to get it going, but eventually it 
*DID* get going. Often it
was FUGLY, but it worked.

That's why I'm so hostile towards Windoze 10. It didn't work. After all the 
nagging and aggravation
they put me through, it wouldn't work.


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Re: New laptop

2018-02-28 Thread Bob W-PDML

On 28 Feb 2018, at 22:41, John 
> wrote:
On 2/28/2018 00:37, mike wilson wrote:
On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John 
> wrote:
On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote:

For now I'm sticking with Windoze7, at least until Micro$oft murders it.

You could always sue Microsoft:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/15/man_sues_microsoft_windows_7/

Antivirus software? How does Windoze Defender compare to aftermarket
products?

Or is Windoze Defender good enough?

I've been using it for a few years; it's fine. Before that I used Avast, before 
that I used something else. The advantage of Windows Defender is that it is 
unnoticeable, whereas the others eventually turned into memory hogs, or just 
pests in one way or another.

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Re: PDML Annual book - last minute reminder


I noticed that too, after I had already resized to 2500 high on the
one vertical I submitted. It uploaded without any squawks.

On 2/28/2018 13:55, Larry Colen wrote:

While not the last minute, the last five hours is close enough.  I
did just notice that at one point the max height is listed as 2500
and elsewhere it is 2400.



Igor PDML-StR wrote:




Just in case someone still hasn't submitted his or her photo(s) to
the PDML annual (which means you are a worse procrastinator then
I), - you still have about 18 hours to finalize your submission.

Here is the link: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/upload.php


(Of course, that doesn't guarantee that The Chief Editor would not 
remove your photo from the "submitted photos" list manually, as was

done last year with a couple of mine, or change the order of
submission in that list as was done for one other PDMLer who
submitted after me, just to make mine appearing the last. But
hopefully, this year someone who shall not be named would not be
freaked out by the buggy and inconsistent script on his website.
Cough, cough, wink, wink ...)


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Re: PESO - What's beneath? -- with the correct link


My guess would be a gondola. The cables suggest either that or a
chair lift, and I don't see any chairs.

On 2/28/2018 14:28, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Oops.. I've changed the file name, but forgot to change the link.

Here is the correct link:
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_beneath-P1090948.jpg
My apology for the mistake!

(Alan: thanks for notifying!)

Igor


On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT:

What's beneath and in front?
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg
(This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while skiing.)

To me, this photo has some philosophical hue.

All comments and critique are always very welcome!


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Re: Visual communication of photographers

I'll keep that in mind if I'm ever called upon to write for any of
those organizations or publications.

On 2/28/2018 14:06, Paul Stenquist wrote:

In AP Style, the Chicago Manual of Style, and the NY Times style
guide, the quotation marks always go outside the period.

On Feb 28, 2018, at 1:08 PM, John wrote:

On 2/28/2018 09:27, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

Christine, Thanks for your comment. I agree with most of what you
said, except for the style issue that John has also commented on
(below). I actually did not remember that Strunk & White had it
defined, so, I was relying just on the common sense: you don't
need to revert/invert/turn you head around or jump on one foot to
match the order in the caption to that in the photo. Any style
that says differently is impractical and inefficient. In my work
I've dealt with several different styles, primarily those that
technical journals use. The most prominent ones include American
Institute of Physics (AIP) style and IEEE style. I tend to think

that the initial idea of any of those styles is to provide a
(standard) tool for effective (and often efficient)
communication. The problem, however, is where some provisions and
rules (often stale and outdated, or sometimes purely historical,
based on no practical consideration) are inefficient or
illogical, and the style Cerberus[es] refuse to update those.
[*] 2-3 years ago, I've head a discussion with the chief editor
of one of the IEEE journals on the style used in that journal. He
actually agreed to the fact that some provisions were not the
most efficient. IIRC, he even agreed to change some that were not
dictated by the IEEE style, but said he couldn't change those
that are "inherited" from the umbrella IEEE style. == [*]
One vivid example is the "illogical" quotation marks:

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html

Whose period is it? Does it belong to the person being quoted or does
it belong to the person doing the quoting?

If the quoted text ends with a period, the period goes inside the
quotation marks; if it doesn't, the period goes outside.

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Re: New laptop


On 2/28/2018 00:37, mike wilson wrote:

On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John  wrote:


On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote:
My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a 
refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB

SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit.

Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able
to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop.


This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows
10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support
for W7. That means there won't even be any security updates after
Jan 2020.




F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn
it into a Hackintosh.


UBUNTU is an easy install.  Download the file and write it to a DVD -
maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow
instructions.  Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird.
(Windows) problems fixed, permanently.



For now I'm sticking with Windoze7, at least until Micro$oft murders it.

But, yes, most likely Ubuntu when my paranoia level at the lack of
security updates after Jan 2020.

I am pretty much removing ALL of the pre-installed "software" to make
room for the programs *I* use. The trial versions of Word Perfect and
Quatro Pro are going bye-bye; so is "BullGuard".

Open Office, here I come.

Antivirus software? How does Windoze Defender compare to aftermarket
products?

None of the reviews (PC Magazine, PC World, TopTen) even list it. But
I'm not sure how much faith I can put in them, because some of them
rate Norton highest (and the others recommend it highly).

My previous experience with Norton is why I'm using AVG currently.
Recently AVG has begun exhibiting the same behavior that pissed me off
against Norton.

Definitely not going with Kaspersky. Maybe Bitdefender or Avast?

Or is Windoze Defender good enough?




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RE: PDML Annual book - request for next year

2018-02-28 Thread John Coyle

On most on-line forms, under Windows 10, and prior to that under at least 7 if 
not XP, previously
submitted information is available if you type the first letter of the 
information as a dropdown.
More than that, I notice that on at least one line banking system, when making 
payments, previously
entered references are also available.
Perhaps that is an advantage of using Windows, despite the naysayers in this 
group?


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Would there be any way that the submission page could keep the relevant entered 
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Re: New laptop

Windows XP, POS, (no not Piece of Sheit, just stop, I meant, stop), is 
still getting full support, and all you have to do with an old XP 
installation to get these updates is change or add, if it doesn't exist, 
a flag to the registry.


Hell I'd still be using XP except that a good AV program and third party 
fire wall were no longer available, and oh yes, I am using one photo 
editing application that I just couldn't hack into running under XP, but 
I don't really need it, there were after all alternatives, but it was 
the security programs that were most important.


I keep my primary development system on a laptop, so I don't really need 
the most up to date OS on my Photo Editing/General purpose desktop, in 
fact a lot of the more useful applications I'm using wouldn't run, and 
have no current equivalents for Win 10.


With XP I just needed to be aware to not allow automatic downloads and 
not click on unsolicited links from Nairobi based Princes and 
Princess.   Which is pretty much what you should do even if you're 
running the latest and greatest OS anyway.



On 2/28/2018 12:58 PM, John wrote:

That's why I'm considering going the Hackintosh route; let OS X be the
emulator.

OTOH, Windows7 may not be quite that dead. There are a lot of Government
systems out there running Windows7; even some still running XP. That's a
BIG chunk of the market to just cut yourself off from.

And maybe before I have to make a change someone will write a better
image editing software program for Linux.

As Scarlet O'hara says, "Fiddle dee dee, I'll worry about that tomorrow."

On 2/28/2018 11:09, P. J. Alling wrote:

Except that now you're going to be running any PC software under and
emulator, which might or might not work perfectly...

I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely
impossible to install that way.  You might be able to get the stand
alone versions to work, but that means no more updates for you.

A while back I looked at the GIMP for windows and was appalled at the
UI.  OK so it was probably just my Adobe use biasing me.  But life is
too short to learn to use a UI that seems to be different only for
differences sake, especially since it at the time it was so far
behind Adobe that my years old version of Photoshop was just as
capable.


On 2/28/2018 12:37 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John 
wrote:


On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote:

My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered
a refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM,
512GB SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit.

Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be
able to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop.

This might be a good time to reconsider your position on
Windows 10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all
support for W7. That means there won't even be any security
updates after Jan 2020.



F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn
it into a Hackintosh.

UBUNTU is an easy install.  Download the file and write it to a DVD
- maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow
instructions.  Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird.
(Windows) problems fixed, permanently.








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Last Call - March PUG

2018-02-28 Thread Brian Walters

G'day all

I'll be closing submissions on Saturday evening 3 March, Sydney time.

Theme: Arches

As usual submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Full Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

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Re: PDML Annual book - last minute reminder



 Larry Colen Wed, 28 Feb 2018 10:56:34 -0800 wrote:

While not the last minute, the last five hours is close enough. I did 
just notice that at one point the max height is listed as 2500 and 
elsewhere it is 2400.


It is not the only incosistency there. At some point (e.g. if you forgot 
to choose the filename), the script shows you an error with something like 
that: "either you forgot to choose the file, or it is larger than 5 MB",

while the first submission page informs about 4 MB file size limit.

BTW, if you are going back from that error page, you are loosing "submit" 
button, and the only cure for that is to reload the page.
(Fortunately, in my case, after page reloaded, the field entries were 
preserved, - I am not sure if it was done by the page, or by my Firefox.)


I am also not quite sure where "Comments" go, but it might be just me.


 Larry Colen Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:09:06 -0800 wrote:

Would there be any way that the submission page could keep the relevant 
entered information; name, email, etc. when submitting multiple photos?


That's a good suggestion.
Better yet, maybe (up to) three images could be submitted on one page.

What I've done (and IIRC, I've been doing that for the past several years) 
is I hit "Back" in the browser, then change the fields, and submit
again. But this year, going "back" results in the "submit" button 
disappearing. So, I had to hit browser's "reload" (Ctrl-R or F5, or that 
"reload" icon) each time. Fortunately, my entries were preserved after the 
pages was reloading.



But to be fair to Mark (and despite my somewhat grumpy-sounding comment),
Mark does a very reasonable job with this submission page.

Somehow submission forms are almost always a problem. For years, I've been 
submitting abstracts to conferences, grant applications, governmental 
forms, etc. And almost always, there are some bugs and inconsistencies in 
those. So, for the form that is used by only about 40-60 people and only 
once a year, and which for the most part works well enough, -- it is hard 
to justify spending much time on tweaking this form (or even finding the 
motivation to do that).


Cheers,

Igor


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Re: PESO - What's beneath? -- with the correct link




Oops.. I've changed the file name, but forgot to change the link.

Here is the correct link:
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_beneath-P1090948.jpg
My apology for the mistake!

(Alan: thanks for notifying!)

Igor


On Wed, 28 Feb 2018, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT:

What's beneath and in front?
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg
(This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while skiing.)

To me, this photo has some philosophical hue.

All comments and critique are always very welcome!


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Re: New laptop

2018-02-28 Thread mike wilson

> On 28 February 2018 at 16:09 "P. J. Alling"  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Except that now you're going to be running any PC software under and 
> emulator, which might or might not work perfectly...
> 
> I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely 
> impossible to install that way.  You might be able to get the stand 
> alone versions to work, but that means no more updates for you.

"I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely 
impossible to install" - what better incentive could a body have to go 
windowless?

> 
> A while back I looked at the GIMP for windows and was appalled at the 
> UI.  OK so it was probably just my Adobe use biasing me.  But life is 
> too short to learn to use a UI that seems to be different only for 
> differences sake, especially since it at the time it was so far behind 
> Adobe that my years old version of Photoshop was just as capable.
> 
> 
> On 2/28/2018 12:37 AM, mike wilson wrote:
> >> On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote:
>  My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a
>  refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD,
>  DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit.
> 
>  Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able to
>  run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop.
> >>> This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows 10.
> >>> You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support for W7.
> >>> That means there won't even be any security updates after Jan 2020.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn it
> >> into a Hackintosh.
> > UBUNTU is an easy install.  Download the file and write it to a DVD - maybe 
> > a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow instructions.  
> > Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird.  (Windows) problems fixed, 
> > permanently.

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Re: PDML Annual book - request for next year

2018-02-28 Thread Larry Colen



Would there be any way that the submission page could keep the relevant 
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Re: Visual communication of photographers

2018-02-28 Thread Paul Stenquist

In AP Style, the Chicago Manual of Style, and the NY Times style guide, the 
quotation marks always go outside the period. 

> On Feb 28, 2018, at 1:08 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> On 2/28/2018 09:27, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>> Christine,
>> Thanks for your comment. I agree with most of what you said, except
>> for the style issue that John has also commented on (below). I
>> actually did not remember that Strunk & White had it defined, so, I
>> was relying just on the common sense: you don't need to
>> revert/invert/turn you head around or jump on one foot to match the
>> order in the caption to that in the photo. Any style that says
>> differently is impractical and inefficient.
>> In my work I've dealt with several different styles, primarily those
>> that technical journals use. The most prominent ones include American
>> Institute of Physics (AIP) style and IEEE style. I tend to think that
>> the initial idea of any of those styles is to provide a (standard)
>> tool for effective (and often efficient) communication. The problem,
>> however, is where some provisions and rules (often stale and
>> outdated, or sometimes purely historical, based on no practical
>> consideration) are inefficient or illogical, and the style
>> Cerberus[es] refuse to update those. [*]
>> 2-3 years ago, I've head a discussion with the chief editor of one of
>> the IEEE journals on the style used in that journal. He actually
>> agreed to the fact that some provisions were not the most efficient.
>> IIRC, he even agreed to change some that were not dictated by the
>> IEEE style, but said he couldn't change those that are "inherited"
>> from the umbrella IEEE style.
>> == [*] One vivid example is the "illogical" quotation marks: 
>> http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html
>> 
> 
> Whose period is it? Does it belong to the person being quoted or does
> it belong to the person doing the quoting?
> 
> If the quoted text ends with a period, the period goes inside the
> quotation marks; if it doesn't, the period goes outside.
> 
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Re: PDML Annual book - last minute reminder

2018-02-28 Thread Larry Colen

While not the last minute, the last five hours is close enough.  I did 
just notice that at one point the max height is listed as 2500 and 
elsewhere it is 2400.




Igor PDML-StR wrote:




Just in case someone still hasn't submitted his or her photo(s)
to the PDML annual (which means you are a worse procrastinator then I),
- you still have about 18 hours to finalize your submission.

Here is the link:
http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/upload.php


(Of course, that doesn't guarantee that The Chief Editor would not
remove your photo from the "submitted photos" list manually, as was done
last year with a couple of mine, or change the order of submission in
that list as was done for one other PDMLer who submitted after me, just
to make mine appearing the last. But hopefully, this year someone who
shall not be named would not be freaked out by the buggy and
inconsistent script on his website. Cough, cough, wink, wink ...)


Igor




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Re: PESO - Fresh Powder Day (1 year ago)

2018-02-28 Thread Ken Waller

Igor, I like the image and think it would be stronger with a little less 
blank sky - perhaps crop out the sky just above the top of the hill.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Igor PDML-StR" 

Subject: PESO - Fresh Powder Day (1 year ago)





While working on the photos, I found a few photos that I thought were
interesting. They were taken almost exactly 1 year ago in Utah, near Salt 
Lake City.


Fresh Powder Day:
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/FreshPowderDay_IR39177.jpg

Igor



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Re: PESO - What's beneath?

2018-02-28 Thread Alan C

404

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Igor PDML-StR

Sent: 28 February, 2018 8:14 PM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: PESO - What's beneath?

Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT:

What's beneath and in front?
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg
(This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while
skiing.)

To me, this photo has some philosophical hue.

All comments and critique are always very welcome!

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Re: really OT facebook help

2018-02-28 Thread Bob W-PDML

On 28 Feb 2018, at 16:41, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:24 AM, P. J. Alling
>  wrote:
>> I hate to tell you Dave, but if you're using Facebook, you're beyond help.
>> Not only is Facebook unethical with user data, but their untallented
>> developers seem to be mainly good at getting in each others way.  I'll bet
>> that the changes were only tested on the Facebook mobile App, because well
>> FB doesn't own any browsers so they're not important.
> 
> Didn't you hear, FB is for old people now.:-)
> 

How do you expect him to hear? He's old...

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PESO - What's beneath?




Here is one more photo taken in February of 2017 near Salt Lake, UT:

What's beneath and in front?
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/What_s_below-P1090948.jpg
(This was taken with a Panasonic P that was easier to carry while 
skiing.)


To me, this photo has some philosophical hue.

All comments and critique are always very welcome!


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Re: Visual communication of photographers

On 2/28/2018 09:27, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

Christine,

Thanks for your comment. I agree with most of what you said, except
for the style issue that John has also commented on (below). I
actually did not remember that Strunk & White had it defined, so, I
was relying just on the common sense: you don't need to
revert/invert/turn you head around or jump on one foot to match the
order in the caption to that in the photo. Any style that says
differently is impractical and inefficient.

In my work I've dealt with several different styles, primarily those
that technical journals use. The most prominent ones include American
Institute of Physics (AIP) style and IEEE style. I tend to think that
the initial idea of any of those styles is to provide a (standard)
tool for effective (and often efficient) communication. The problem,
however, is where some provisions and rules (often stale and
outdated, or sometimes purely historical, based on no practical
consideration) are inefficient or illogical, and the style
Cerberus[es] refuse to update those. [*]

2-3 years ago, I've head a discussion with the chief editor of one of
the IEEE journals on the style used in that journal. He actually
agreed to the fact that some provisions were not the most efficient.
IIRC, he even agreed to change some that were not dictated by the
IEEE style, but said he couldn't change those that are "inherited"
from the umbrella IEEE style.

== [*] One vivid example is the "illogical" quotation marks:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html

Whose period is it? Does it belong to the person being quoted or does
it belong to the person doing the quoting?

If the quoted text ends with a period, the period goes inside the
quotation marks; if it doesn't, the period goes outside.

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Re: really OT facebook help


On 2/28/2018 11:39, David J Brooks wrote:

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:24 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

I hate to tell you Dave, but if you're using Facebook, you're beyond help.
Not only is Facebook unethical with user data, but their untallented
developers seem to be mainly good at getting in each others way.  I'll bet
that the changes were only tested on the Facebook mobile App, because well
FB doesn't own any browsers so they're not important.


Didn't you hear, FB is for old people now.:-)



Yeah, my ex-wife probably has FaceBook; another reason for me NOT to have it..


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Re: New laptop


That's why I'm considering going the Hackintosh route; let OS X be the
emulator.

OTOH, Windows7 may not be quite that dead. There are a lot of Government
systems out there running Windows7; even some still running XP. That's a
BIG chunk of the market to just cut yourself off from.

And maybe before I have to make a change someone will write a better
image editing software program for Linux.

As Scarlet O'hara says, "Fiddle dee dee, I'll worry about that tomorrow."

On 2/28/2018 11:09, P. J. Alling wrote:

Except that now you're going to be running any PC software under and
emulator, which might or might not work perfectly...

I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely
impossible to install that way.  You might be able to get the stand
alone versions to work, but that means no more updates for you.

A while back I looked at the GIMP for windows and was appalled at the
UI.  OK so it was probably just my Adobe use biasing me.  But life is
too short to learn to use a UI that seems to be different only for
differences sake, especially since it at the time it was so far
behind Adobe that my years old version of Photoshop was just as
capable.


On 2/28/2018 12:37 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John 
wrote:


On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote:

My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered
a refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM,
512GB SSD, DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit.

Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be
able to run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop.

This might be a good time to reconsider your position on
Windows 10. You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all
support for W7. That means there won't even be any security
updates after Jan 2020.



F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn
it into a Hackintosh.

UBUNTU is an easy install.  Download the file and write it to a DVD
- maybe a memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow
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Re: really OT facebook help

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:24 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> I hate to tell you Dave, but if you're using Facebook, you're beyond help.
> Not only is Facebook unethical with user data, but their untallented
> developers seem to be mainly good at getting in each others way.  I'll bet
> that the changes were only tested on the Facebook mobile App, because well
> FB doesn't own any browsers so they're not important.

Didn't you hear, FB is for old people now.:-)

Dave
>
>
> On 2/28/2018 8:43 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox,
>> chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent
>> blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the
>> black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked
>> on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started
>> today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem
>> to be ok with that, using Chrome.
>>
>> Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-)
>>
>> Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer.
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: really OT facebook help


software that grew up without adult supervision.

Damn, I wish I'd said that.  Larry, today you win the internet.


On 2/28/2018 11:22 AM, l...@red4est.com wrote:


On February 28, 2018 7:41:53 AM PST, Bruce Walker  
wrote:

My wife complained to me about this exact thing this morning, Dave, so
I'd hazard a guess that FB is presently hosed. Try again in a couple
of hours.

Well, I mean more hosed than usual, of course. FB is hosed by design.
:-)

The problem with that statement is that it implies that Facebook was designed. 
It is a perfect example of software that grew up without adult supervision.



On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:43 AM, David J Brooks 
wrote:

Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac (

Firefox,

chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a

transparent

blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the
black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked
on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started
today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem
to be ok with that, using Chrome.

Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-)

Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer.

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Re: really OT facebook help

I hate to tell you Dave, but if you're using Facebook, you're beyond 
help.  Not only is Facebook unethical with user data, but their 
untallented developers seem to be mainly good at getting in each others 
way.  I'll bet that the changes were only tested on the Facebook mobile 
App, because well FB doesn't own any browsers so they're not important.



On 2/28/2018 8:43 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox,
chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent
blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the
black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked
on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started
today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem
to be ok with that, using Chrome.

Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-)

Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer.

Dave



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Re: really OT facebook help

2018-02-28 Thread lrc



On February 28, 2018 7:41:53 AM PST, Bruce Walker  
wrote:
>My wife complained to me about this exact thing this morning, Dave, so
>I'd hazard a guess that FB is presently hosed. Try again in a couple
>of hours.
>
>Well, I mean more hosed than usual, of course. FB is hosed by design.
>:-)

The problem with that statement is that it implies that Facebook was designed. 
It is a perfect example of software that grew up without adult supervision.

>
>
>On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:43 AM, David J Brooks 
>wrote:
>> Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac (
>Firefox,
>> chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a
>transparent
>> blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the
>> black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked
>> on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started
>> today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem
>> to be ok with that, using Chrome.
>>
>> Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-)
>>
>> Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer.
>>
>> Dave
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Re: really OT facebook help

thanks Bruce. I thought it might be after trying it in all 3 of my
browsers. I posted from my phone ok but it only shows up in my
timeline and not in the3 news feed.

Agree with your comments.

Dave

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> My wife complained to me about this exact thing this morning, Dave, so
> I'd hazard a guess that FB is presently hosed. Try again in a couple
> of hours.
>
> Well, I mean more hosed than usual, of course. FB is hosed by design. :-)
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:43 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>> Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox,
>> chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent
>> blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the
>> black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked
>> on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started
>> today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem
>> to be ok with that, using Chrome.
>>
>> Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-)
>>
>> Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer.
>>
>> Dave
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US copyright law - potential changes

2018-02-28 Thread Paul Sorenson


Federal - HR 3945

A bill to amend title 17, United States Code, to establish an 
alternative dispute resolution program for copyright small claims, and 
for other purposes.


***

Most attorneys will not take a copyright infringement case unless it 
looks like the payout will be at least $30K.  The average loss to 
photographers and other artists is only around $3K so there is little 
protection for most of us.  This bill would allow photographers and 
other artists to address copyright infringement in small claims court 
and allow recovery for smaller amounts.


If you want to contact your representative in support of the bill, 
here's a pathway to sending your concerns...


http://cqrcengage.com/ppaworld/app/write-a-letter?7=442074

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Re: New laptop

Except that now you're going to be running any PC software under and 
emulator, which might or might not work perfectly...


I'm pretty sure that Adobe CC products will be nearly, or completely 
impossible to install that way.  You might be able to get the stand 
alone versions to work, but that means no more updates for you.


A while back I looked at the GIMP for windows and was appalled at the 
UI.  OK so it was probably just my Adobe use biasing me.  But life is 
too short to learn to use a UI that seems to be different only for 
differences sake, especially since it at the time it was so far behind 
Adobe that my years old version of Photoshop was just as capable.



On 2/28/2018 12:37 AM, mike wilson wrote:

On 28 February 2018 at 04:34 John  wrote:


On 2/27/2018 14:28, John Francis wrote:

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 02:04:12PM -0500, John wrote:

My new laptop just arrived. I finally broke down and ordered a
refurbished HP Elitebook from Newegg. Intel i5, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD,
DVD??RW, Windoze7 PRO 64-bit.

Replaces my 11 year old Toshiba. I expect I'll finally be able to
run Photoshop CS6 Extended on a laptop.

This might be a good time to reconsider your position on Windows 10.
You've got two years left before Microsoft drop all support for W7.
That means there won't even be any security updates after Jan 2020.



F*** 'em. I'll figure out how to install Linux ... or maybe turn it
into a Hackintosh.

UBUNTU is an easy install.  Download the file and write it to a DVD - maybe a 
memory stick by now, shove it in the machine and follow instructions.  
Automatically installs Firefox and Thunderbird.  (Windows) problems fixed, 
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Re: really OT facebook help

2018-02-28 Thread Bruce Walker

My wife complained to me about this exact thing this morning, Dave, so
I'd hazard a guess that FB is presently hosed. Try again in a couple
of hours.

Well, I mean more hosed than usual, of course. FB is hosed by design. :-)


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:43 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox,
> chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent
> blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the
> black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked
> on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started
> today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem
> to be ok with that, using Chrome.
>
> Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-)
>
> Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer.
>
> Dave
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Re: PESO - Fresh Powder Day (1 year ago)

2018-02-28 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Nice Image!

I was wondering what a "fresh powder day"  was.  Now I know.

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On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

>
>
> While working on the photos, I found a few photos that I thought were
> interesting. They were taken almost exactly 1 year ago in Utah, near Salt
> Lake City.
>
> Fresh Powder Day:
> http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/FreshPowderDay_IR39177.jpg
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PESO - Fresh Powder Day (1 year ago)




While working on the photos, I found a few photos that I thought were
interesting. They were taken almost exactly 1 year ago in Utah, near Salt 
Lake City.


Fresh Powder Day:
http://42graphy.org/misc/2017-02-Utah/FreshPowderDay_IR39177.jpg

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Re: Visual communication of photographers

Christine,

Thanks for your comment. I agree with most of what you said, except for
the style issue that John has also commented on (below). I actually
did not remember that Strunk & White had it defined, so, I was relying
just on the common sense: you don't need to revert/invert/turn you head
around or jump on one foot to match the order in the caption to that in
the photo.

Any style that says differently is impractical and inefficient.

In my work I've dealt with several different styles, primarily those that
technical journals use. The most prominent ones include American Institute
of Physics (AIP) style and IEEE style.
I tend to think that the initial idea of any of those styles is to provide
a (standard) tool for effective (and often efficient) communication.
The problem, however, is where some provisions and rules (often stale and
outdated, or sometimes purely historical, based on no practical
consideration) are inefficient or illogical, and the style Cerberus[es]
refuse to update those. [*]

2-3 years ago, I've head a discussion with the chief editor of one of the
IEEE journals on the style used in that journal. He actually agreed to the
fact that some provisions were not the most efficient. IIRC, he even
agreed to change some that were not dictated by the IEEE style, but said
he couldn't change those that are "inherited" from the umbrella IEEE
style.

==
[*] One vivid example is the "illogical" quotation marks:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2011/05/the_rise_of_logical_punctuation.html

Cheers,

Igor

John Sun, 25 Feb 2018 10:36:11 -0800 wrote:

On 2/24/2018 11:26, Christine Aguila wrote:

Well, here goes:

How an entity (company or periodical) handles issues like photo
captions might be more of an issue of style rather than effective
communication. Style in this sense means how they handle photo
captions, spacing, names of sources, et al—think of the various style
manuals: APA, MLA, AP, Chicago Manual of Style, NYT Style etc.

I should still have my copy of "Strunk & White" from Freshman English
around here somewhere. Nineteen-Sixty-Five edition I think. Don't refer
to it much now, because it was drilled into me back then.

Captions for group photos are easy -

Top row: Name, Name, NameTop row: Name, Name, Name
Middle Row: Name, Name, Name *OR*Middle Row: Name, Name, Name
Front Row: Name, Name, NameFront Row: Name, Name, Name

... so the faces "line up" with the names in the caption (and vice versa).

If your kid is listed third in "Middle Row:", look for the third kid from
the left in the middle row.

Years from now if someone in the class becomes famous or notorious they'll
still be easy to find in their Third Grade class photo.

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really OT facebook help

Need some help if possible. On all three browsers on my Mac ( Firefox,
chrome,safari) when I try and post a status update I get a transparent
blackish screen and the status box disappears. I click on an x on the
black screen and it goes away but the status box is gone. Have looked
on goggle but nothing thees sites suggest have worked. Just started
today no recent uploads. I can access and Send from my phone It seem
to be ok with that, using Chrome.

Ontario election coming up soon and i need to post my rants.:-)

Plus i cant do a lot on the phone that i can do via the computer.

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Re: PDML Annual book - last minute reminder

donation sent also

Dave

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:46 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
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>
>
> Just in case someone still hasn't submitted his or her photo(s)
> to the PDML annual (which means you are a worse procrastinator then I), -
> you still have about 18 hours to finalize your submission.
>
> Here is the link:
> http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/upload.php
>
>
> (Of course, that doesn't guarantee that The Chief Editor would not remove
> your photo from the "submitted photos" list manually, as was done last year
> with a couple of mine, or change the order of submission in that list as was
> done for one other PDMLer who submitted after me, just to make mine
> appearing the last. But hopefully, this year someone who shall not be named
> would not be freaked out by the buggy and inconsistent script on his
> website. Cough, cough, wink, wink ...)
>
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Re: Just in case: Beware of fake photo.net invoices