Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

2020-09-29 Thread Nolan Hinshaw
On Sep 29, 2020, at 14:49, Larry Colen  wrote:

> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The 
>>> new one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more 
>>> compact.
>> 
>> Interesting, I wonder what the difference in size and weight is between 
>> 1960, 1990 and 2020 Suburbans.
>> 
> 
> Also Honda Civics, Toyota Corollas, Ford Mustangs, Dodge Challengers….
> 
> Mind you a modern Civic, particularly the R, would give most years of 
> Corvette a run for their money, on either a drag strip or a road course.

Back in the early 1960s while a SF region SCCA volunteer I repeatedly heard Bob 
(or Al) Holbert use the term "Preposterous ponderous plastic pachyderm" for 
GM's two-seater muscle car. Bob (or Al) drove a pretty hot AC Ace and later a 
MK I AC Cobra (based on the Ace, complete with the transverse leaf spring on 
the front end).
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Re: OT: How Different Insects Achieve Flight

2020-09-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I found him quite entertaining.

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On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:25 PM Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Hey, thanks very much for that link, Dan. I needed that. I just love
> his "looks like a flying muppet" narration. :-)
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 2:48 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://twistedsifter.com/videos/using-slow-motion-to-see-how-different-insects-achieve-flight/
> >
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Re: OT: How Different Insects Achieve Flight

2020-09-29 Thread mike wilson


> On 29 September 2020 at 19:47 "Daniel J. Matyola"  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> https://twistedsifter.com/videos/using-slow-motion-to-see-how-different-insects-achieve-flight/

Excellent.  I once witnessed a mass rise of plume moths - it was just like a 
Hollywood/Hammer fog effect.  Spooky.

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Re: OT: How Different Insects Achieve Flight

2020-09-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Hey, thanks very much for that link, Dan. I needed that. I just love
his "looks like a flying muppet" narration. :-)

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 2:48 PM Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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Re: OT: How Different Insects Achieve Flight

2020-09-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
LOL!

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On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:57 PM Bob Pdml  wrote:

> On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:25, mike wilson  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >> On 29 September 2020 at 19:47 "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://twistedsifter.com/videos/using-slow-motion-to-see-how-different-insects-achieve-flight/
> >
> > Excellent.  I once witnessed a mass rise of plume moths - it was just
> like a Hollywood/Hammer fog effect.  Spooky.
> >
>
> I get the same thing when I open my wallet
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

2020-09-29 Thread Bruce Walker
Mark, I bought an early Super-Multi-Coated Takumar version of that
lens. Mainly because they're the cheapest of that design used, and Rob
Studdard recommended it. (I watched eBay for a few weeks until I saw
one in good shape for under $400 US.)

I like how it performs and the images look. Very, very sharp indeed.
It's easy to manual focus with the really long throw it has. I haven't
pushed the backlit scenes so far, but in those few I have done I
haven't seen CA.

I think you'd find great results with your 67 glass, but of course
it'd be much the same shift for you as using 35mm glass on the crop
APS-C bodies.


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:58 PM Mark C  wrote:
>
> I agree re creamy bokeh - if people are going to notice the bokeh you
> don't want them noticing the details of stuff in the bokeh...
>
> Sounds like the 105mm f2.4 is doing well on you your 645Z. Sharp with
> minimal chromatic aberrations? An upgrade path to digital MF using my
> 6x7 lenses is an option I've been trying to keep open, though I wonder
> how well they will perform. And in most cases I have the
> Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 6x7 lens, vs the later SMC 67 versions. On
> film I don't think the difference is huge, but on digital I'm not sure...
>
> Mark
>
> On 9/28/2020 8:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> > I like cream with my bokeh.
> >
> > I've been using that 67 105mm f:2.4 with my 645Z and the results are
> > wonderful. It makes a terrific portrait short tele on the 645 format.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 5:25 PM Mark C  wrote:
> >> Lens design has a lot to do with how bokeh is rendered. I've been
> >> shooting film almost exclusively this year, a lot with a Pentax 6x7 and
> >> 105mm f2.4. That lens  seems to have been designed to produce the most
> >> beautiful creamy bokeh possible. I also use a Ricoh Diacord TLR, a 6x6
> >> TLR with a f3.5 Tessar design lens.  The results are incredibly sharp
> >> but you really can't get a smooth bokeh. Forms clump together and
> >> highlights in particular render as circles with almost crisp
> >> circumferences. Each lens has its own purpose. The Pentax lens lets you
> >> easily isolate a subject against a soft background, giving the nice 3d
> >> look. But the Diacord is almost magical in creating the appearance of
> >> infinite depth of field, even when only stopped down to f8 or even f5.6.
> >>
> >> I think one issue is that there is no real agreement about what makes
> >> for a "good" bokeh. The lens in the Diacord seems to have pretty typical
> >> Tessar type characteristics, including the "clumpy" bokeh. But a lot of
> >> folks seem to like that - especially in the rendering of specular
> >> highlights.  Others look for a creamy bokeh with everything running
> >> together.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> On 9/27/2020 1:54 PM, Toine wrote:
> >>> Yes I agree thats the main effect. However this guy even includes lead in
> >>> glass as a pop factor. The rendering of bokeh also adds to the effect.
> >>> Zooms have a busy bokeh.
> >>>
> >>> https://photographylife.com/the-death-of-beautiful-rendition-and-3d-pop-on-modern-lenses
> >>>
> >>> I can hardly see the difference in his before after shot with the slider
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 18:46 Paul Stenquist,  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because
>  primes generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you 
>  more
>  control over DOF.
> 
>  Paul
> 
> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>  wrote:
> > That certainly does "pop"!
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> > *
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM Toine  wrote:
> >>
> >> I read a lot about primes vs zooms and old designs of primes. That
> >> should result in something like 3D pop. Never noticed it until today:
> >>
> >>
>  https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=005-899-20200926-imgp3095-edit
> >> I find myself lugging the DA*300 around on a daily basis. Maybe because
>  it
> >> pops.
> >>
> >> Do I need new glasses?
> >>
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

2020-09-29 Thread Mark C
I agree re creamy bokeh - if people are going to notice the bokeh you 
don't want them noticing the details of stuff in the bokeh...


Sounds like the 105mm f2.4 is doing well on you your 645Z. Sharp with 
minimal chromatic aberrations? An upgrade path to digital MF using my 
6x7 lenses is an option I've been trying to keep open, though I wonder 
how well they will perform. And in most cases I have the 
Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 6x7 lens, vs the later SMC 67 versions. On 
film I don't think the difference is huge, but on digital I'm not sure...


Mark

On 9/28/2020 8:16 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I like cream with my bokeh.

I've been using that 67 105mm f:2.4 with my 645Z and the results are
wonderful. It makes a terrific portrait short tele on the 645 format.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 5:25 PM Mark C  wrote:

Lens design has a lot to do with how bokeh is rendered. I've been
shooting film almost exclusively this year, a lot with a Pentax 6x7 and
105mm f2.4. That lens  seems to have been designed to produce the most
beautiful creamy bokeh possible. I also use a Ricoh Diacord TLR, a 6x6
TLR with a f3.5 Tessar design lens.  The results are incredibly sharp
but you really can't get a smooth bokeh. Forms clump together and
highlights in particular render as circles with almost crisp
circumferences. Each lens has its own purpose. The Pentax lens lets you
easily isolate a subject against a soft background, giving the nice 3d
look. But the Diacord is almost magical in creating the appearance of
infinite depth of field, even when only stopped down to f8 or even f5.6.

I think one issue is that there is no real agreement about what makes
for a "good" bokeh. The lens in the Diacord seems to have pretty typical
Tessar type characteristics, including the "clumpy" bokeh. But a lot of
folks seem to like that - especially in the rendering of specular
highlights.  Others look for a creamy bokeh with everything running
together.

Mark

On 9/27/2020 1:54 PM, Toine wrote:

Yes I agree thats the main effect. However this guy even includes lead in
glass as a pop factor. The rendering of bokeh also adds to the effect.
Zooms have a busy bokeh.

https://photographylife.com/the-death-of-beautiful-rendition-and-3d-pop-on-modern-lenses

I can hardly see the difference in his before after shot with the slider

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 18:46 Paul Stenquist,  wrote:


What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because
primes generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you more
control over DOF.

Paul


On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 

wrote:

That certainly does "pop"!

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM Toine  wrote:

I read a lot about primes vs zooms and old designs of primes. That
should result in something like 3D pop. Never noticed it until today:



https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=005-899-20200926-imgp3095-edit

I find myself lugging the DA*300 around on a daily basis. Maybe because

it

pops.

Do I need new glasses?

Toine

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Re: OT: How Different Insects Achieve Flight

2020-09-29 Thread Bob Pdml
On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:25, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 29 September 2020 at 19:47 "Daniel J. Matyola"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> https://twistedsifter.com/videos/using-slow-motion-to-see-how-different-insects-achieve-flight/
> 
> Excellent.  I once witnessed a mass rise of plume moths - it was just like a 
> Hollywood/Hammer fog effect.  Spooky.
> 

I get the same thing when I open my wallet





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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

2020-09-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
Suburbans are probably about the same size, somewhat heavier but much more fuel 
efficient. But they’re outside the norm. Chevy Equinox, a compact vehicle with 
quite a bit of interior space, is far and away GM’s best selling SUV.

Paul

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The 
>> new one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more 
>> compact.
> 
> Interesting, I wonder what the difference in size and weight is between 1960, 
> 1990 and 2020 Suburbans.
> 
> 
>> Paul
>> 
 On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://digg.com/video/the-unexpected-reason-cars-keep-getting-bigger
>>> 
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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

2020-09-29 Thread Larry Colen


> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The 
>> new one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more 
>> compact.
> 
> Interesting, I wonder what the difference in size and weight is between 1960, 
> 1990 and 2020 Suburbans.
> 

Also Honda Civics, Toyota Corollas, Ford Mustangs, Dodge Challengers….

Mind you a modern Civic, particularly the R, would give most years of Corvette 
a run for their money, on either a drag strip or a road course.


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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

2020-09-29 Thread Larry Colen


> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The 
> new one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more 
> compact.

Interesting, I wonder what the difference in size and weight is between 1960, 
1990 and 2020 Suburbans.


> Paul
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> https://digg.com/video/the-unexpected-reason-cars-keep-getting-bigger
>> 
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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

2020-09-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The new 
one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more compact.
Paul

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OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

2020-09-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
https://digg.com/video/the-unexpected-reason-cars-keep-getting-bigger

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OT: How Different Insects Achieve Flight

2020-09-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
https://twistedsifter.com/videos/using-slow-motion-to-see-how-different-insects-achieve-flight/

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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-29 Thread Henk Terhell
Probably the new Pentax APS-C will be some sort of limited edition 
flagship with improved viewfinder and grip, but lacking  features as 
flippy screen and GPS.

Doesn't look to be a workhorse for nature photography as the K-1.

Henk


Op 2020-09-29 om 14:58 schreef Bill:

On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 11:36 p.m. Christine Aguila, 
wrote:


Thanks, everyone!  I’m so out of touch with Pentax gear; it’s
embarrassing.  I was also stunned to hear about Canon and Nikon’s shift to
mirrorless cameras.  I hope to give all my gear a workout for the next
couple of weeks.  I have a few photo-homework-assignments in mind with the
hope of getting my photog-eye back into shape.


Canon and Nikon are playing a desperate game trying to stay relevant. I
fully expect Canon to go full mirrorless within a few years and drop the EF
mount in much the same fashion that they dropped the FD mount.
Nikon may or may not go full mirrorless, though I do expect they will
continue to support the F mount.
Ricoh has signaled that they are going to stick with SLR cameras, their
soon to be seen APS-C flagship is apparently going to have a 1.05%
viewfinder, which will be a great improvement over their present ones that
are somewhere around 90%, IIRC.
Pentax has the benefit of being very small, not a bad thing these days.

bill



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Re: PESO: common bluetail

2020-09-29 Thread Subash Jeyan
thank you Dan, Toine and Henk..

yes, this is 'indian' common bluetail...a very commonly found species
here.


On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:00:41 +0200
Toine  wrote:

> Yes! another beauty. If it wasn't for Linnaeus we would be very
> confused :)
> 
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 17:57, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> >
> > Subash, I guess this is the regional species that is similar to the
> > ischnura elegans, a common species in whole Europe and also called
> > common bluetail in English.
> >
> > Henk
> >
> > Op 2020-09-28 om 15:56 schreef Subash Jeyan:  
> > > one more bug, a damselfly this time:
> > >
> > > http://something-feathered.in/2020/09/28/common-bluetail/

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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-29 Thread Bill
On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 11:36 p.m. Christine Aguila, 
wrote:

> Thanks, everyone!  I’m so out of touch with Pentax gear; it’s
> embarrassing.  I was also stunned to hear about Canon and Nikon’s shift to
> mirrorless cameras.  I hope to give all my gear a workout for the next
> couple of weeks.  I have a few photo-homework-assignments in mind with the
> hope of getting my photog-eye back into shape.
>

Canon and Nikon are playing a desperate game trying to stay relevant. I
fully expect Canon to go full mirrorless within a few years and drop the EF
mount in much the same fashion that they dropped the FD mount.
Nikon may or may not go full mirrorless, though I do expect they will
continue to support the F mount.
Ricoh has signaled that they are going to stick with SLR cameras, their
soon to be seen APS-C flagship is apparently going to have a 1.05%
viewfinder, which will be a great improvement over their present ones that
are somewhere around 90%, IIRC.
Pentax has the benefit of being very small, not a bad thing these days.

bill
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