Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Henk Terhell]

David, I followed your route and got LR 6 now. Familiar interface and no 
need for a subscription in the coming years.
And with Pentax DNG there surely won't be a problem for any Pentax K-1 
mark x.


Henk


Op 2017-10-21 om 14:27 schreef David J Brooks:

Henk, I made the leap from 4 to 6 stand alone back in November last
year, so far so good

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 4:49 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:

My current workflow is with LR 4 RAW DNG and making sometimes final
adjustments not possible in LR 4 (e.g. perspective correction) in Elements 9
(free copy received with my Epson scanner).
I bought LR 4 more than 5 years ago and therefore costs sofar are only some
$ 30/year.
New K-1 lenses are not recognized and can't be corrected of course in LR 4 .
As I don't like the CC subscription model I wonder whether it is a good idea
to buy LR 6 now it is still available. Perhaps this would serve me an equal
long time.
I don't need more cloud storage having already 1 TB with Office 365 and
unlimited JPEG storage with Flickr Pro, plus a set of external hard disks
for my RAW files.
Any comments whether I should give my money again to Adobe to a soon
outdated version of LR?

Henk

Op 2017-10-19 om 08:49 schreef Larry Colen:



https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026

First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom.
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 support
(which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Photoshop
CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no further updates
after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will still be available
for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, there will simply be two
new subscription-only desktop versions: Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom
CC.



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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[David J Brooks]

Henk, I made the leap from 4 to 6 stand alone back in November last
year, so far so good

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 4:49 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> My current workflow is with LR 4 RAW DNG and making sometimes final
> adjustments not possible in LR 4 (e.g. perspective correction) in Elements 9
> (free copy received with my Epson scanner).
> I bought LR 4 more than 5 years ago and therefore costs sofar are only some
> $ 30/year.
> New K-1 lenses are not recognized and can't be corrected of course in LR 4 .
> As I don't like the CC subscription model I wonder whether it is a good idea
> to buy LR 6 now it is still available. Perhaps this would serve me an equal
> long time.
> I don't need more cloud storage having already 1 TB with Office 365 and
> unlimited JPEG storage with Flickr Pro, plus a set of external hard disks
> for my RAW files.
> Any comments whether I should give my money again to Adobe to a soon
> outdated version of LR?
>
> Henk
>
> Op 2017-10-19 om 08:49 schreef Larry Colen:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026
>>
>> First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom.
>> There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 support
>> (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Photoshop
>> CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no further updates
>> after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will still be available
>> for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, there will simply be two
>> new subscription-only desktop versions: Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom
>> CC.
>>
>
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Henk Terhell]

My current workflow is with LR 4 RAW DNG and making sometimes final 
adjustments not possible in LR 4 (e.g. perspective correction) in 
Elements 9 (free copy received with my Epson scanner).
I bought LR 4 more than 5 years ago and therefore costs sofar are only 
some $ 30/year.
New K-1 lenses are not recognized and can't be corrected of course in LR 
4 .
As I don't like the CC subscription model I wonder whether it is a good 
idea to buy LR 6 now it is still available. Perhaps this would serve me 
an equal long time.
I don't need more cloud storage having already 1 TB with Office 365 and 
unlimited JPEG storage with Flickr Pro, plus a set of external hard 
disks for my RAW files.
Any comments whether I should give my money again to Adobe to a soon 
outdated version of LR?


Henk

Op 2017-10-19 om 08:49 schreef Larry Colen:


https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026 



First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.





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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Mark C]

Ironic that Adobe shares jumped by almost 12% on the day you posted...


Larry Colen wrote:


https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026 



First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.





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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[John]

On 10/19/2017 15:26, Mark Roberts wrote:

Rick Womer wrote:


Mark, what are you using for sorting and processing your images?

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:

They haven't wanted my money for years now. Fuck 'em.


I'm using the years-old versions I last purchased.

Mind you, Affinity Pro is a viable replacement for Photoshop. And
they're said to be working on a Lightroom competitor, too.
  



I'll keep it in mind if I ever get a Mac to replace my current Photoshop 
machine.

How much of a learning curve switching from Photoshop?

Does it support layers & masks & blend modes? What about plugins similar to Nik 
Filters?

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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[mike wilson]

> On 19 October 2017 at 20:27 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> There are some very capable RAW processors, other than Lightroom.
> 
> I haven't bought a new Adobe product in quite some time and I feel 
> pretty smug about that, as  Adobe has developed all the highhandedness 
> of MIcrosoft at it's peak and the arrogance of Apple selling iProducts, 
> with features  removed to satisfy their design aesthetic whether you 
> like it or not, so you better like it.
> 
> Smaller vendors sometimes fail to support older products because they 
> simply haven't the resources, but I see little excuse for would be 
> monopolists to abuse their position and simply design systems to milk 
> the consumer, once they think their customers are locked into their system.
> 
> I don't know of anyone who complained of having slightly outdated 
> software if what they had did the job.   They bought the upgrade when 
> they needed it and if they didn't need the upgrade soldered on with what 
> they had.
> 
> I've heard stories of CC upgrades significantly changing controls.  I 
> don't know how true that is but I have had that happen with an upgrade 
> to Windows 7 it changed the shutdown behavior without telling me.   
> Which is a problem, I thought I was shutting the system down, but 
> instead it put the machine into sleep mode.  It's probably not a good 
> idea to pull the power supply, and remove a hard drive at that time, but 
> that's what I almost did.
> 
> It's annoying enough to move between major revs of a software package 
> and find features significantly changed when you expect such changes, 
> DxO optics Pro 9 changed the rendering and export options almost 
> completely from version 8 which took a lot of getting used to.  I can 
> only imagine how wonderful that would be to fire up Lightroom CC and 
> find a similar thing happening after a minor update.
> 

Almost makes you long for chemicals and a darkroom.  Almost.

> 
> 
> On 10/19/2017 2:49 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> >
> > https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026
> > 
> >
> >
> > First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
> > There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
> > support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
> > Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
> > further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
> > still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
> > there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
> > Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.

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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[P. J. Alling]

There are some very capable RAW processors, other than Lightroom.

I haven't bought a new Adobe product in quite some time and I feel 
pretty smug about that, as  Adobe has developed all the highhandedness 
of MIcrosoft at it's peak and the arrogance of Apple selling iProducts, 
with features  removed to satisfy their design aesthetic whether you 
like it or not, so you better like it.


Smaller vendors sometimes fail to support older products because they 
simply haven't the resources, but I see little excuse for would be 
monopolists to abuse their position and simply design systems to milk 
the consumer, once they think their customers are locked into their system.


I don't know of anyone who complained of having slightly outdated 
software if what they had did the job.   They bought the upgrade when 
they needed it and if they didn't need the upgrade soldered on with what 
they had.


I've heard stories of CC upgrades significantly changing controls.  I 
don't know how true that is but I have had that happen with an upgrade 
to Windows 7 it changed the shutdown behavior without telling me.   
Which is a problem, I thought I was shutting the system down, but 
instead it put the machine into sleep mode.  It's probably not a good 
idea to pull the power supply, and remove a hard drive at that time, but 
that's what I almost did.


It's annoying enough to move between major revs of a software package 
and find features significantly changed when you expect such changes, 
DxO optics Pro 9 changed the rendering and export options almost 
completely from version 8 which took a lot of getting used to.  I can 
only imagine how wonderful that would be to fire up Lightroom CC and 
find a similar thing happening after a minor update.




On 10/19/2017 2:49 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026 



First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.




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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Mark Roberts]

Rick Womer wrote:

>Mark, what are you using for sorting and processing your images?
>
>On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>> They haven't wanted my money for years now. Fuck 'em.

I'm using the years-old versions I last purchased.

Mind you, Affinity Pro is a viable replacement for Photoshop. And
they're said to be working on a Lightroom competitor, too.
 
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[John]

On 10/19/2017 08:35, Mark Roberts wrote:

They haven't wanted my money for years now. Fuck 'em.
  



What are you using as an alternative?

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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Rick Womer]

Mark, what are you using for sorting and processing your images?

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> They haven't wanted my money for years now. Fuck 'em.
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Mark Roberts]

They haven't wanted my money for years now. Fuck 'em.
 
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Re: Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[David J Brooks]

nor mine

Dave

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:49 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026
>
> First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. There
> will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 support (which
> is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Photoshop CC), but
> that's all that we can expect. There will be no further updates after this
> year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will still be available for an
> unspecified amount of time, going forward, there will simply be two new
> subscription-only desktop versions: Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.
>
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Adobe doesn't seem to want my money

[Larry Colen]

https://fstoppers.com/apps/adobe-announces-lightroom-classic-cc-lightroom-cc-photoshop-cc-updates-and-more-200026

First, Lightroom 6 will be the final standalone version of Lightroom. 
There will be a Lightroom 6.3 update that will provide Nikon D850 
support (which is here now for Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and 
Photoshop CC), but that's all that we can expect. There will be no 
further updates after this year to Lightroom 6. While Lightroom 6 will 
still be available for an unspecified amount of time, going forward, 
there will simply be two new subscription-only desktop versions: 
Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom CC.


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