Re: Definition of pinup?
Actually Pinups could be nude, though they were quite demure nudes, by most standards. On 2/23/2014 8:28 PM, John wrote: Your correspondent is full of it! The pin-up implies sex sexy without being overtly, graphically pornographic. The background is immaterial. If you're going for TRADITIONAL, all you need is a hot babe in a one piece bathing costume: http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/betty-garble-pin-up/ http://www.mostlyposters.com/images/posters/fullsize/50229.jpg ... and for balance (per knarF): http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/05/article-0-006019260258-707_468x474.jpg You can use any year automobile you want for your pin-ups. No one's going to be looking at the damn car anyway. See also: Alberto Vargas, Esquire Magazine Nose art. On 2/23/2014 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Technically, I don't consider pin-up to be a genre, at least not a strict or narrow one. It's a reference to a printed image application. Namely, a mass-produced printed image that is typically pinned to a wall, without a frame, and often cheaply available. The calendars that auto mechanics hang in their garages are pin-up calendars. So are many posters of celebrities. A Playboy centerfold pulled from the magazine and pinned to a wall would be a pin-up. An 8x10 glossy photo thumbtacked to a wall could be a pin-up. They were originally called pin-ups, because you literally pinned them to the wall, not because of some very narrow definition of their subject content. Look it up in a few dictionaries, and you'll see I'm not alone on this point. When the original classic pin-up images were being created, did they go to the trouble of only using vehicles that were at least 50-years old? No. They were totally free to use contemporary vehicles. If the original classic pin-up images could use contemporary vehicles, why shouldn't you have that same freedom? Was there any sort of official international treaty that decided the use of contemporary vehicles in pin-up images had to cease by a certain year? No. Feel free to use vehicles from any era you like, even futuristic vehicles. I do realize term Pin-Up is commonly used these days as a genre, but I think its application is often a bit misguided. Some folks seem to think there are very narrow and strict guidelines as to what can be Pin-Up and what can't. I think that's poppycock. If it's a genre at all, I think it's a fairly broad one. I also think it needn't be frozen in time. I think there should be plenty of room in this world for modern looking Pin-Up images, and for Pin-Up images that push the envelope and take the category to new territories. Else, there will be very little true art in the genre, and everyone will be endlessly and slavishly copying everyone else. Note: If you use the term in its classic sense, to refer to an image literally pinned to a wall, it's pin-up. If you use the term to refer to an art movement, then it's Pin-Up (capitalized). I have very similar feelings about folks who consider pop music a term that refers to a particular genre of music, when it literally just means music that is popular — any music, any genre, as long as it's popular. We won't get into that can of worms now, though. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, I'd really like to know which international standards body made that decision! lol On 2/23/2014 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree, and I admire a man who gets right to the point! :) On 2/23/2014 6:06 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: I say do your own thing - set trends don't follow them. If it looks right in your own eye, then it is right. Tell her to shove a pin up her arse. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Basically a pin up is something that appeals to the male part of the population. :-) Original pin-up girls usually wore skimpy clothes, like short shorts, but were clothed. Cars or sans cars. A lot of those old calendars that were pinned up were put out by car companies. Marnie aka Doe In a message dated 2/23/2014 2:09:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, l...@red4est.com writes: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 6, 2014, at 7:18 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Basically a pin up is something that appeals to the male part Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Women have their pin-ups too. Mark Spitz with his 7 Gold Medals; Marlon Brando from A Streetcar Named Desire; James Dean from Giant Rebel Without a Cause; Paul Newman Cool Hand Luke HUD; Kirk Douglas from Spartacus ... ... even the Governator. On 3/6/2014 7:18 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Basically a pin up is something that appeals to the male part of the population. :-) Original pin-up girls usually wore skimpy clothes, like short shorts, but were clothed. Cars or sans cars. A lot of those old calendars that were pinned up were put out by car companies. Marnie aka Doe In a message dated 2/23/2014 2:09:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, l...@red4est.com writes: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah, sure, supposedly. None of those below does a thing for me, though. Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 3/6/2014 7:16:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, johnsess...@yahoo.com writes: Women have their pin-ups too. Mark Spitz with his 7 Gold Medals; Marlon Brando from A Streetcar Named Desire; James Dean from Giant Rebel Without a Cause; Paul Newman Cool Hand Luke HUD; Kirk Douglas from Spartacus ... ... even the Governator. On 3/6/2014 7:18 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Basically a pin up is something that appeals to the male part of the population. :-) Original pin-up girls usually wore skimpy clothes, like short shorts, but were clothed. Cars or sans cars. A lot of those old calendars that were pinned up were put out by car companies. Marnie aka Doe In a message dated 2/23/2014 2:09:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, l...@red4est.com writes: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL. Out of context, out of context, out of context Marnie aka Doe Hehehehehehehe. In a message dated 3/6/2014 5:41:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: On Mar 6, 2014, at 7:18 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Basically a pin up is something that appeals to the male part Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24 Feb 2014, at 00:25, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: On 23 Feb 2014, at 23:51, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up [...] That ain't pin-up. _This_ is pin-up: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Madame_de_Montespan_held_by_the_three_graces_attributed_to_Mignard.jpg Hubba-hubba! That's exactly what Louis XIV said! Except in French, of course: 'ubbeux-ubbeux!' B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I say do your own thing - set trends don't follow them. If it looks right in your own eye, then it is right. Tell her to shove a pin up her arse. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pin up art is that which would comfortably fit on the nose of a bomber that was about to take off and fly into the war. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com Subject: Definition of pinup? In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Poster sized pictures of pretty girls pinned up on a wall / door / something, hence the term pinup. Chalking it up on the nose of aircraft also qualifies but I doubt you will do that:) Look up some photos of Bettie Page for example. Having cars in it is a subgenre. You might want to use older cars to make it look like something from between 1940-1960 or thereabout IF you go for the authentic look. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree in regard to the cars. Fifties and forties American for an authentic pin-up look. Haven't given much thought to the light, but I would think you want to achieve a look that invokes illustration, per Vargas. Paul via phone On Feb 23, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Poster sized pictures of pretty girls pinned up on a wall / door / something, hence the term pinup. For guys of my generation, they were posters of rim lighted women, Ferraris, and maybe bottles of wine as a third element. Chalking it up on the nose of aircraft also qualifies but I doubt you will do that:) Look up some Nose art. photos of Bettie Page for example. Having cars in it is a subgenre. You might want to use older cars to make it look like something from between 1940-1960 or thereabout IF you go for the authentic look. I don’t particularly care about authentic. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. You can't do any better than to get a copy of The Great American Pin-Up, by Martinette/Meisel and published by Taschen. All the best artists are covered, like Gil Elvgren, Alberto Vargas, Art Frahm, Earl Moran, Zoe Mozert. They were active from WWII to 1970. It also covers Art Deco pin-ups (1920-1940) and a large number of more obscure artists, plus some modern artists like Olivia De Berardinis (Playboy). So to be authentic to the pin-up esthetic you want to use wardrobe, props, hair and makeup and poses -- ie the look -- in keeping with the period. For extra points you try to be in keeping with one or more of the common painted themes. Elvgren's look was happy and airy, his girls always smiled or look surprised when their dresses were blown up by the wind revealing garters and stocking tops. But they never looked coy or come-hither or obviously sexy. Art Frahm's girls often suffered wardrobe malfunctions out in the street: their panties would have fallen to their ankles when they had their arms full of groceries. But their modesty was always preserved. Pin-ups were generally not nude, not even bared breasts. There are a lot of swimsuit pin-ups. Pin-up usually lies somewhere in the spectrum from glamour images to very tame erotica. You will encounter a thing known as the pin-up lifestyle. That is made up of people who worship the 1940's and 1950's. They will decorate their homes with real vintage or fifties looking furniture and decorations and wear polka dot dresses (especially full, with crinolines). They they'll go jitterbugging at the hop. http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/ On that thing about the cars. A related interest to pin-up is Rockabilly and this is where you see a lot of 1950's and early 60's hot-rods as props. If you want to see a lot of contemporary takes on pin-up, check out this Tumblr: http://pinuppost.com/ On the high-key issue. Creative pinups are somehow interesting. While there's nothing wrong with a basic pose on a white or plain background, especially if the girl and the outfit is a stunner, it's more interesting if it tells a story, eg there's some background, props, etc. When I did a pin-up shoot, I took my cues from Gil Elvgren. Eg: here's his The Right Touch: http://www.gilelvgren.com/ge/paintingsEnlarge.php?id=35categoryID=7 And here's mine: http://flic.kr/p/c6B5aE I shot high-key on a white background then composited in new backdrops (with more or less success). Cherry Cheesecake: http://flic.kr/p/bSCWvR Truly authentic pin-up girls would never have tattoos, so I lose some marks there. But just try to find a model without at least one tattoo these days. My interest in pin-ups started with a deck of late 1940's playing cards that my father kept hidden in an upper drawer where his kids couldn't possibly find them. :-) On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail
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Well done. Why not clone out the tats? Paul via phone On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. You can't do any better than to get a copy of The Great American Pin-Up, by Martinette/Meisel and published by Taschen. All the best artists are covered, like Gil Elvgren, Alberto Vargas, Art Frahm, Earl Moran, Zoe Mozert. They were active from WWII to 1970. It also covers Art Deco pin-ups (1920-1940) and a large number of more obscure artists, plus some modern artists like Olivia De Berardinis (Playboy). So to be authentic to the pin-up esthetic you want to use wardrobe, props, hair and makeup and poses -- ie the look -- in keeping with the period. For extra points you try to be in keeping with one or more of the common painted themes. Elvgren's look was happy and airy, his girls always smiled or look surprised when their dresses were blown up by the wind revealing garters and stocking tops. But they never looked coy or come-hither or obviously sexy. Art Frahm's girls often suffered wardrobe malfunctions out in the street: their panties would have fallen to their ankles when they had their arms full of groceries. But their modesty was always preserved. Pin-ups were generally not nude, not even bared breasts. There are a lot of swimsuit pin-ups. Pin-up usually lies somewhere in the spectrum from glamour images to very tame erotica. You will encounter a thing known as the pin-up lifestyle. That is made up of people who worship the 1940's and 1950's. They will decorate their homes with real vintage or fifties looking furniture and decorations and wear polka dot dresses (especially full, with crinolines). They they'll go jitterbugging at the hop. http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/ On that thing about the cars. A related interest to pin-up is Rockabilly and this is where you see a lot of 1950's and early 60's hot-rods as props. If you want to see a lot of contemporary takes on pin-up, check out this Tumblr: http://pinuppost.com/ On the high-key issue. Creative pinups are somehow interesting. While there's nothing wrong with a basic pose on a white or plain background, especially if the girl and the outfit is a stunner, it's more interesting if it tells a story, eg there's some background, props, etc. When I did a pin-up shoot, I took my cues from Gil Elvgren. Eg: here's his The Right Touch: http://www.gilelvgren.com/ge/paintingsEnlarge.php?id=35categoryID=7 And here's mine: http://flic.kr/p/c6B5aE I shot high-key on a white background then composited in new backdrops (with more or less success). Cherry Cheesecake: http://flic.kr/p/bSCWvR Truly authentic pin-up girls would never have tattoos, so I lose some marks there. But just try to find a model without at least one tattoo these days. My interest in pin-ups started with a deck of late 1940's playing cards that my father kept hidden in an upper drawer where his kids couldn't possibly find them. :-) On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up
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Paul, we were already incorporating some anachronistic elements (like a 1910 Underwood typewriter and 1970's furniture) so I took a suggestion from Bob W and called the series Post Modern Pin-ups. That gave me license to pretty much include what I felt like. :-) On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Well done. Why not clone out the tats? Paul via phone On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. You can't do any better than to get a copy of The Great American Pin-Up, by Martinette/Meisel and published by Taschen. All the best artists are covered, like Gil Elvgren, Alberto Vargas, Art Frahm, Earl Moran, Zoe Mozert. They were active from WWII to 1970. It also covers Art Deco pin-ups (1920-1940) and a large number of more obscure artists, plus some modern artists like Olivia De Berardinis (Playboy). So to be authentic to the pin-up esthetic you want to use wardrobe, props, hair and makeup and poses -- ie the look -- in keeping with the period. For extra points you try to be in keeping with one or more of the common painted themes. Elvgren's look was happy and airy, his girls always smiled or look surprised when their dresses were blown up by the wind revealing garters and stocking tops. But they never looked coy or come-hither or obviously sexy. Art Frahm's girls often suffered wardrobe malfunctions out in the street: their panties would have fallen to their ankles when they had their arms full of groceries. But their modesty was always preserved. Pin-ups were generally not nude, not even bared breasts. There are a lot of swimsuit pin-ups. Pin-up usually lies somewhere in the spectrum from glamour images to very tame erotica. You will encounter a thing known as the pin-up lifestyle. That is made up of people who worship the 1940's and 1950's. They will decorate their homes with real vintage or fifties looking furniture and decorations and wear polka dot dresses (especially full, with crinolines). They they'll go jitterbugging at the hop. http://www.pinuplifestyle.com/ On that thing about the cars. A related interest to pin-up is Rockabilly and this is where you see a lot of 1950's and early 60's hot-rods as props. If you want to see a lot of contemporary takes on pin-up, check out this Tumblr: http://pinuppost.com/ On the high-key issue. Creative pinups are somehow interesting. While there's nothing wrong with a basic pose on a white or plain background, especially if the girl and the outfit is a stunner, it's more interesting if it tells a story, eg there's some background, props, etc. When I did a pin-up shoot, I took my cues from Gil Elvgren. Eg: here's his The Right Touch: http://www.gilelvgren.com/ge/paintingsEnlarge.php?id=35categoryID=7 And here's mine: http://flic.kr/p/c6B5aE I shot high-key on a white background then composited in new backdrops (with more or less success). Cherry Cheesecake: http://flic.kr/p/bSCWvR Truly authentic pin-up girls would never have tattoos, so I lose some marks there. But just try to find a model without at least one tattoo these days. My interest in pin-ups started with a deck of late 1940's playing cards that my father kept hidden in an upper drawer where his kids couldn't possibly find them. :-) On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall
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On 23 Feb 2014, at 23:51, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. That ain't pin-up. _This_ is pin-up: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Madame_de_Montespan_held_by_the_three_graces_attributed_to_Mignard.jpg B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote: On 23 Feb 2014, at 23:51, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pin-up is of course loaded with meanings, some specific, some generic. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin-up Traditional American pin-up ended in the 1960's when photography replaced illustration in calendars and magazines like Esquire. Most people equate the term Pin-up with 1940's and 1950's illustration of the type that servicemen pinned-up in lockers. That ain't pin-up. _This_ is pin-up: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Madame_de_Montespan_held_by_the_three_graces_attributed_to_Mignard.jpg Hubba-hubba! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Your correspondent is full of it! The pin-up implies sex sexy without being overtly, graphically pornographic. The background is immaterial. If you're going for TRADITIONAL, all you need is a hot babe in a one piece bathing costume: http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/betty-garble-pin-up/ http://www.mostlyposters.com/images/posters/fullsize/50229.jpg ... and for balance (per knarF): http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/05/article-0-006019260258-707_468x474.jpg You can use any year automobile you want for your pin-ups. No one's going to be looking at the damn car anyway. See also: Alberto Vargas, Esquire Magazine Nose art. On 2/23/2014 5:09 PM, Larry Colen wrote: In another forum I made a comment that it might be fun to do a pin-up style shoot at the Canepa museum. I got some interesting critiques of the idea from one person in particular. Some quotes: ... They have a lot of nice cars, but mostly ex-race cars... Only a couple hot rods. ... To which I replied, showing my own prejudices: We would definitely have to talk to them first. As to the cars, race cars are what hot rods pretend to be. Her reply was: If you're going for a traditional pin-up look, you don't want to be standing next to a 1974 Porsche in a museum. You want to be standing next to a pre-62 hot rod or kustom. Something that is distinctly American and not pretending to be anything other than what it is. The hot rod and kustom culture that originated in post-war California still exists in a vibrant way, and is accessible to those who want to shoot traditional pin-up photography and not just photos of girls with cars. I said that I didn't particularly care to be authentic, and asked what I should call it. She said: Perhaps you should use the term girls with cars rather than pin-up for what you're doing. The last shoot you did would more closely fall under the genre of portraiture than pin-up. Using high-key lighting as you did in that shoot is considered very amateur in the pin-up photographer community. So, some questions to those who know more about pin-up photography than I, which isn't setting the bar very high: What is the definition of pin-up photography? Is high-key lighting really considered amateurish? Only pre-1962 American cars? Really? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
