On Aug 16, 2012, at 22:58 , John Francis wrote:
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:51:58AM -0500, Walt Gilbert wrote:
I hadn't heard that one before. Knopfler is almost as good a culture
critic as he is a guitarist. Almost.
I'm still trying to get my head around Knopfler's music being used
for a
On Aug 18, 2012, at 6:24 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
I also read recently about a critic who was asked what she thought of the
exhibition, and replied I don't know - I haven't written my review yet.
The mother of a friend of ours is an artist and gets invited to a lot of
exhibition
this several times.
It does not imply a 'no name' can't make it.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Subject: Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer
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: Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no
Subject: Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer
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A lot has to do with the photographer having a 'known' name.
I've seen that one-liner so many times I've stopped believing in it. If it
was true, new artists
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From: kwal...@peoplepc.com
A lot has to do with the photographer having a 'known' name.
I've seen that one-liner so many times I've stopped believing in it.
If it was true, new artists would not emerge at the rate it actually does.
Jostein
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I agree. The folllowing question is always: How did the name become known ?
You have to be different, be remembered. This is not too difficult for a short
time, but to be recognized for your work over a long periode there has to be
something about it worth remembering.
And them, in addition
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From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
I find the whole question of what is art to be a form of mental
wankage of the highest order. About the only question that makes
any sense is does this person find that object, or action, beautiful,
or artistic?.
Good
On Aug 17, 2012, at 1:53 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
I think it was great to see so many of Eggleston's images together. What
emerged was more than the sum of the individual images. Take series of
pictures called election eve, for example. The individual pictures in that
series I found to
Jostein Øksne wrote:
From: kwal...@peoplepc.com
A lot has to do with the photographer having a 'known' name.
I've seen that one-liner so many times I've stopped believing in it.
If it was true, new artists would not emerge at the rate it actually does.
I think Ken's right. The new artists get
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From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com
I think Ken's right. The new artists get their reputations and make
their names by breaking the conventions and defying the definitions of
the known artists. Then the new artists become known artists and
the next
The internet is this nearly universal gallery for images. It's so
much easier to get you pictures out there and somebody's work is bound
to arise from the melee. The trick will increasingly be to stay
relevant as an artist; bloggers/critics may dominate more. After all,
lots of folks have a few
Den 17. aug. 2012 kl. 15:01 skrev Jostein Øksne:
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I think Ken's right. The new artists get their reputations and make
their names by breaking the conventions and defying the definitions of
the known artists. Then the
Good work arising from the melee is not at all certain.
An opinion expressed in the film PressPausePlay is that we may be
entering a new Dark Ages culturally. The thought is that one result of
the democratized, uncurated morass of creative output we have today is
that it would be unlikely for a
DagT wrote:
Den 17. aug. 2012 kl. 15:01 skrev Jostein Øksne:
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postmas...@robertstech.com
I think Ken's right. The new artists get their reputations and make
their names by breaking the conventions and defying the definitions of
the known
I didn't say good work would rise up, I said something would rise up.
;-) It was a very deliberate choice of words.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Good work arising from the melee is not at all certain.
An opinion expressed in the film
: Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no
Subject: Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer
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From: kwal...@peoplepc.com
A lot has to do with the photographer having a 'known' name.
I've seen that one-liner so many times I've stopped believing in it. If it
was true, new
From: Bruce Walker
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Don?t get me started on naked chicks on train tracks
*Cough* http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidpinzer/7793543784/
Well, it's Friday and no one's watching anyway.
Yes, this is one of my Flickr
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Walt Gilbert
On 8/15/2012 10:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: knarftheriault
...which exactly why I shy away from silly discussions about what
art is. The word is practically meaningless due to people like that
Between us duffers, I have to share some thoughts I've had on that
art-thingy this summer. It's going to be a bit long, but I hope it's worth
your time.
Some of you may have noticed that the PESOs I posted this summer was from
Northern Norway. I have spent all together five weeks on two
From: Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Walt Gilbert
On 8/15/2012 10:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: knarftheriault
...which exactly why I shy away from silly discussions about what
art is. The word is practically meaningless due to people like
On 8/16/2012 10:20 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Bob W
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Walt Gilbert
On 8/15/2012 10:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: knarftheriault
...which exactly why I shy away from silly discussions about what
art is. The word is
Well, for whatever it's worth, the gallery owned by the woman who told
me photography is not art is the kind of place that sells framed
prints of The Singing Butler.
Instant culture of the variety Mark Knopfler so aptly summed up:
And then you get an artist says he doesn't want to paint at
The appeal of that painting is a mystery to me.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:39 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Well, for whatever it's worth, the gallery owned by the woman who told me
photography is not art is the kind
I hadn't heard that one before. Knopfler is almost as good a culture
critic as he is a guitarist. Almost.
As to the notion that photography is not art, it strikes me as
something that could only be said by someone too stupid to operate a camera.
-- Walt
On 8/16/2012 10:39 AM, John Sessoms
On Aug 16, 2012, at 2:38 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
My own thoughts after these meetings is that the common denominators for
photography as art seems to be these things:
Firstly that you have some message you wish to convey, using photography as a
tool. Your success as an artist will
Larry's comment modified a little...
Case in point - Thomas Kinkade
-p
On 8/16/2012 7:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
I really think that what separates ...art ...from a ...hobbyist is
merely marketing and a finely developed
sense of pretension. It sure as hell isn't technical skill or quality
A lot has to do with the photographer having a 'known' name.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Subject: Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer
On Aug 16, 2012, at 2:38 AM, Jostein Øksne wrote
On Aug 17, 2012, at 3:51 AM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
I hadn't heard that one before. Knopfler is almost as good a culture critic
as he is a guitarist. Almost.
He has a new album coming out soon. I pre-ordered a copy a few weeks ago :)
Cheers,
Dave
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On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:51:58AM -0500, Walt Gilbert wrote:
I hadn't heard that one before. Knopfler is almost as good a culture
critic as he is a guitarist. Almost.
I'm still trying to get my head around Knopfler's music being used
for a Burger King commercial. Princess Bride? OK. But
From: knarftheriault
I thought that Fine Art is art that is created primarily for the purpose of
being sold...
Cheers,
frank
According to the woman who owns the gallery, photography is not art.
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So how did I get a Bachelors Degree in Fine Art Photography in 1970?
On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:38 , John Sessoms wrote:
From: knarftheriault
I thought that Fine Art is art that is created primarily for the purpose
of being sold...
Cheers,
frank
According to the woman who owns the
Addendum: Most, if not all major museums of ART hold vast collections of
photographs they drag out to show. Many of them have some part of their
collection on display in other museums around the world.
Here in Seattle, there are several galleries devoted only to photography.
On Aug 15, 2012,
I saw a photography exhibit at the MFA (Museum of Fine Art) in Boston,
and it was as moving as any work by one of the old masters. They had
a copy of Eggelston's tricycle, and it's amazing in person.
If anyone has a chance to, you really should go to a good museum and
look at all the art.
On
be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. --
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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer
According to the woman who owns the gallery, photography
From: knarftheriault
...which exactly why I shy away from silly discussions about what
art is. The word is practically meaningless due to people like that
gallery owner.
I will, however, happily participate in a Who is Art? discussion.
Clearly the answer to the latter is Garfunkel.
cheers,
On 8/15/2012 10:06 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: knarftheriault
...which exactly why I shy away from silly discussions about what
art is. The word is practically meaningless due to people like that
gallery owner.
I will, however, happily participate in a Who is Art? discussion.
Clearly the
...of Vandelay Industries...
LMAO
Cheers,
frank
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Christopher Hitchens
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From: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
Sent: August 15, 2012 8/15/12
Subject: Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer
I
One man's Fine Art is another man's CRAP. If you want to call dead
leaves Fine Art, it's OK by me, but I may or may not agree. Now...about
those naked chicks on the train tracks.
-p
On 8/14/2012 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
Zach Arias has been on a roll answering good questions with
Bruce Walker wrote:
Zach Arias has been on a roll answering good questions with practical
advice on his QA blog. But he really steps out on a limb with this
one I think.
And oh dear please
. please. For the love of all that is good and
holy about photography
please dont be the fine art
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Mark Roberts
Bruce Walker wrote:
Zach Arias has been on a roll answering good questions with practical
advice on his QA blog. But he really steps out on a limb with this
one
I think.
And oh dear please.. please.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
... Don’t get me started on naked
chicks on train tracks or laying on rocks.
I resemble that remark. :-)
You do?
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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
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... Don’t get me started on naked
chicks on train tracks or laying on rocks.
I resemble that remark. :-)
You do?
Well, not that
I thought that Fine Art is art that is created primarily for the purpose of
being sold...
Cheers,
frank
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What pretentious
on 2012-08-14 21:07 knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote
I thought that Fine Art is art that is created primarily for the purpose of
being sold...
yep - you pays the fine, you gets your art
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