Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
It’d be easy in a darkroom, particularly with deep red safelights, but I haven’t had a darkroom in 30 years. Might be able to rig the bathroom as a temporary darkroom just to cut the paper down to size. Biggest problem is getting enough table space to do the cutting. Sealing the door isn’t hard. My kitchen counter is plenty of space, but the light tent makes it really slow going. There’s no way to seal up the kitchen.. open-plan condo. I’ve been looking into it. It’d be much easier if I could use my big roller cutter on a table in the bathroom. G > On Jun 22, 2021, at 9:53 AM, John wrote: > >> I need to experiment with the paper some more. The simple thing to do would >> be to get a cheap 4x5in field camera and some film holders, that would save >> a huge amount of time in cutting down the paper sheets and fitting into the >> fussy Mamiya Press 23 film holders. :) > > Do you have to do that in total darkness like a mushroom or is this something > you can do in the darkroom with a safe-light on? -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
Interesting shots, the birdfeeder is definitely a halloween type photo Dave On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:17 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > My experiment with Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper as a sheet film, > first results: > > https://flic.kr/p/2m6URSN :: Birdhouse - Santa Clara 2021 > https://flic.kr/p/2m6TjF5 :: Locked Gate - Santa Clara 2021 > > technical info: > - Mamiya Press 23 Super, sheet film back > - Sekor 65mm f/5.6 lens > - Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper in Ilford Multigrade developer > - ISO 3 @ f/11 @ 1 second > - scanned with Hasselblad 907x + Leitz Macro-Elmar 100mm f/4 > > I like the feel of the results, but dang! it's one heck of a PITA process > … Probably only an "once in a while" thing to do as a result. > > Enjoy! > G > — > Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com > > "...For we are the Makers of Magic, and we are the Dreamers of Dreams." > – Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
I need to experiment with the paper some more. The simple thing to do would be to get a cheap 4x5in field camera and some film holders, that would save a huge amount of time in cutting down the paper sheets and fitting into the fussy Mamiya Press 23 film holders. :) Do you have to do that in total darkness like a mushroom or is this something you can do in the darkroom with a safe-light on? On 6/21/2021 13:00:37, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Interesting questions, Paul. Answering in reverse order: POP or std - The paper requires standard development processing, you cannot just watch the image form as it is exposed to light (POP). The happy thing is that it works with standard paper development chemistry and processing techniques. Contrast - The best I can answer is "I don't know." I've never used this paper before so have no experience with it in a darkroom situation using standard tray development. I estimated sensitivity at ISO 6, made exposures at ISO 6 and ISO 3 as a test. My paper developer was so far out of date (which I didn't know until I started mixing it) that I felt the results were going to fall way off the curve ... I mixed it up at 1:31 dilution and gave the paper 12 minutes of development time (standard would be 1:9 or 1:14 @ ~2 minutes). The resulting paper image was very, very flat, with the ISO 3 images showing more useable tonal scale. I could probably have gone to ISO 1.5 and 20 minutes processing time with that defective soup. With the Hasselblad's 907x/CFVII 50c sensor's great tonal depth, I was able to get a pretty decent range out of the originals that matched what I had in mind when making the exposures, but it was a bit more work than my usual film captures. I need to experiment with the paper some more. The simple thing to do would be to get a cheap 4x5in field camera and some film holders, that would save a huge amount of time in cutting down the paper sheets and fitting into the fussy Mamiya Press 23 film holders. :) G -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
So … "Orthochromatic"? Yes. "…a feel for where sensitivity peaks on the spectral curve…" Um, not really. I've made four exposures with it so far, and processed it in a damaged mixture of over-age developer. I got two exposures that I kinda like. :) It's fun, but the old Mamiya Press 23 is truly a lot of work to shoot it with. I haven't decided where to go with this spur off my usual photography yet. G > On Jun 21, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > > Thanks, Ralf. > > -p > > On 6/21/2021 4:22 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >> Am 21.06.21 um 23:14 schrieb Paul Sorenson: >>> Thanks. A couple more questions, just to salve my curiosity. Is the >>> emulsion panchromatic or orthochromatic? Do you have a feel for where >>> its sensitivity peaks on the spectral curve? >> >> There's a very detailed datasheet, with curves and all, available here: >> >> https://www.ilfordphoto.com/harman-direct-positive-paper-sheets >> >> Ralf >> >> -- >> Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany >> Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com >> Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf >> Web : http://www.fotoralf.de >> -- >> %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > Paul Sorenson > Studio1941 > > Sooner or later "different" scares people. > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
Thanks, Ralf. -p On 6/21/2021 4:22 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 21.06.21 um 23:14 schrieb Paul Sorenson: Thanks. A couple more questions, just to salve my curiosity. Is the emulsion panchromatic or orthochromatic? Do you have a feel for where its sensitivity peaks on the spectral curve? There's a very detailed datasheet, with curves and all, available here: https://www.ilfordphoto.com/harman-direct-positive-paper-sheets Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
Am 21.06.21 um 23:14 schrieb Paul Sorenson: Thanks. A couple more questions, just to salve my curiosity. Is the emulsion panchromatic or orthochromatic? Do you have a feel for where its sensitivity peaks on the spectral curve? There's a very detailed datasheet, with curves and all, available here: https://www.ilfordphoto.com/harman-direct-positive-paper-sheets Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
Thanks. A couple more questions, just to salve my curiosity. Is the emulsion panchromatic or orthochromatic? Do you have a feel for where its sensitivity peaks on the spectral curve? -p On 6/21/2021 12:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Interesting questions, Paul. Answering in reverse order: POP or std - The paper requires standard development processing, you cannot just watch the image form as it is exposed to light (POP). The happy thing is that it works with standard paper development chemistry and processing techniques. Contrast - The best I can answer is "I don't know." I've never used this paper before so have no experience with it in a darkroom situation using standard tray development. I estimated sensitivity at ISO 6, made exposures at ISO 6 and ISO 3 as a test. My paper developer was so far out of date (which I didn't know until I started mixing it) that I felt the results were going to fall way off the curve ... I mixed it up at 1:31 dilution and gave the paper 12 minutes of development time (standard would be 1:9 or 1:14 @ ~2 minutes). The resulting paper image was very, very flat, with the ISO 3 images showing more useable tonal scale. I could probably have gone to ISO 1.5 and 20 minutes processing time with that defective soup. With the Hasselblad's 907x/CFVII 50c sensor's great tonal depth, I was able to get a pretty decent range out of the originals that matched what I had in mind when making the exposures, but it was a bit more work than my usual film captures. I need to experiment with the paper some more. The simple thing to do would be to get a cheap 4x5in field camera and some film holders, that would save a huge amount of time in cutting down the paper sheets and fitting into the fussy Mamiya Press 23 film holders. :) G -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
Interesting questions, Paul. Answering in reverse order: POP or std - The paper requires standard development processing, you cannot just watch the image form as it is exposed to light (POP). The happy thing is that it works with standard paper development chemistry and processing techniques. Contrast - The best I can answer is "I don't know." I've never used this paper before so have no experience with it in a darkroom situation using standard tray development. I estimated sensitivity at ISO 6, made exposures at ISO 6 and ISO 3 as a test. My paper developer was so far out of date (which I didn't know until I started mixing it) that I felt the results were going to fall way off the curve ... I mixed it up at 1:31 dilution and gave the paper 12 minutes of development time (standard would be 1:9 or 1:14 @ ~2 minutes). The resulting paper image was very, very flat, with the ISO 3 images showing more useable tonal scale. I could probably have gone to ISO 1.5 and 20 minutes processing time with that defective soup. With the Hasselblad's 907x/CFVII 50c sensor's great tonal depth, I was able to get a pretty decent range out of the originals that matched what I had in mind when making the exposures, but it was a bit more work than my usual film captures. I need to experiment with the paper some more. The simple thing to do would be to get a cheap 4x5in field camera and some film holders, that would save a huge amount of time in cutting down the paper sheets and fitting into the fussy Mamiya Press 23 film holders. :) G -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com > On Jun 21, 2021, at 9:25 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: > > Interesting. Is the paper that contrasty or is that the way you chose to > post process the digital version. Can that paper also be used as POP or does > it require the standard development process? > > -p > >> On 6/21/2021 10:17 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> My experiment with Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper as a sheet film, >> first results: >> >> https://flic.kr/p/2m6URSN :: Birdhouse - Santa Clara 2021 >> https://flic.kr/p/2m6TjF5 :: Locked Gate - Santa Clara 2021 >> >> technical info: >> - Mamiya Press 23 Super, sheet film back >> - Sekor 65mm f/5.6 lens >> - Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper in Ilford Multigrade developer >> - ISO 3 @ f/11 @ 1 second >> - scanned with Hasselblad 907x + Leitz Macro-Elmar 100mm f/4 >> >> I like the feel of the results, but dang! it's one heck of a PITA process … >> Probably only an "once in a while" thing to do as a result. >> >> Enjoy! >> G -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
My experiment with Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper as a sheet film, first results: https://flic.kr/p/2m6URSN :: Birdhouse - Santa Clara 2021 https://flic.kr/p/2m6TjF5 :: Locked Gate - Santa Clara 2021 technical info: - Mamiya Press 23 Super, sheet film back - Sekor 65mm f/5.6 lens - Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper in Ilford Multigrade developer - ISO 3 @ f/11 @ 1 second - scanned with Hasselblad 907x + Leitz Macro-Elmar 100mm f/4 I like the feel of the results, but dang! it's one heck of a PITA process … Probably only an "once in a while" thing to do as a result. Enjoy! G — Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com "...For we are the Makers of Magic, and we are the Dreamers of Dreams." – Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
These look ready for Halloween atmosphere ... or a Bella Lugosi film.. strong atmosphere to be sure ann On 6/21/2021 11:17 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: My experiment with Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper as a sheet film, first results: https://flic.kr/p/2m6URSN :: Birdhouse - Santa Clara 2021 https://flic.kr/p/2m6TjF5 :: Locked Gate - Santa Clara 2021 technical info: - Mamiya Press 23 Super, sheet film back - Sekor 65mm f/5.6 lens - Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper in Ilford Multigrade developer - ISO 3 @ f/11 @ 1 second - scanned with Hasselblad 907x + Leitz Macro-Elmar 100mm f/4 I like the feel of the results, but dang! it's one heck of a PITA process … Probably only an "once in a while" thing to do as a result. Enjoy! G — Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com "...For we are the Makers of Magic, and we are the Dreamers of Dreams." – Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/+ann-sanfedele+gifts https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan https://www.createphotocalendars.com/Shop/annsanfedelecalendarsandbooks -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2021 - 087-088 - GDG
Interesting. Is the paper that contrasty or is that the way you chose to post process the digital version. Can that paper also be used as POP or does it require the standard development process? -p On 6/21/2021 10:17 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: My experiment with Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper as a sheet film, first results: https://flic.kr/p/2m6URSN :: Birdhouse - Santa Clara 2021 https://flic.kr/p/2m6TjF5 :: Locked Gate - Santa Clara 2021 technical info: - Mamiya Press 23 Super, sheet film back - Sekor 65mm f/5.6 lens - Ilford Harmann Direct Positive paper in Ilford Multigrade developer - ISO 3 @ f/11 @ 1 second - scanned with Hasselblad 907x + Leitz Macro-Elmar 100mm f/4 I like the feel of the results, but dang! it's one heck of a PITA process … Probably only an "once in a while" thing to do as a result. Enjoy! G — Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com "...For we are the Makers of Magic, and we are the Dreamers of Dreams." – Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Paul Sorenson Studio1941 Sooner or later "different" scares people. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
