Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Bob W-PDML]

On 21 Oct 2017, at 15:37, mike wilson  wrote:

>> On 21 October 2017 at 00:10 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> Lard's a bit refined.  Hairy chested hipster paper-cutters use beef 
>>> dripping.
>> 
>> Mike needs no rotary trimmer to slice his paper, with wit as sharp as that 
>> ;-)
> 
> Cath regularly tells me I'm full of wit.
> 

Next time we meet up, do remind me to give you the name of my audiologist.



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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[mike wilson]

> On 21 October 2017 at 00:10 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 20/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Lard's a bit refined.  Hairy chested hipster paper-cutters use beef dripping.
> 
> Mike needs no rotary trimmer to slice his paper, with wit as sharp as that ;-)

Cath regularly tells me I'm full of wit.

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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 20/10/17, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Lard's a bit refined.  Hairy chested hipster paper-cutters use beef dripping.

Mike needs no rotary trimmer to slice his paper, with wit as sharp as that ;-)

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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[mike wilson]

> On 20 October 2017 at 12:01 Chris Mitchell  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 19 October 2017 at 11:43, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have a Dahle A4 rotary trimmer. It's about 15 years old, never changed
> > the blade. Only maintenance is to very occasionally grease the pole with a
> > bit of extra virgin olive oil ;-)
> >
> > How upwardly mobile of you! What's wrong with good old lard?

Lard's a bit refined.  Hairy chested hipster paper-cutters use beef dripping.

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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Chris Mitchell]

On 19 October 2017 at 11:43, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

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> I have a Dahle A4 rotary trimmer. It's about 15 years old, never changed
> the blade. Only maintenance is to very occasionally grease the pole with a
> bit of extra virgin olive oil ;-)
>
> How upwardly mobile of you! What's wrong with good old lard?

Chris
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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Larry Colen]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 19/10/17, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:


And an extra question for Cotty:
For those 15 years, where have you been getting extra virgins
(to grease the pole)? ;-)


I don't want to think about greasing Cotty's pole. Now I need to find 
some bleach for my brain.




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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 19/10/17, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And an extra question for Cotty:
>For those 15 years, where have you been getting extra virgins
>(to grease the pole)? ;-)

If I could find some wise men I'd ask them!

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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[P. J. Alling]

He lives in England, I think they have to import them at quite a premium.


On 10/19/2017 9:48 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Many thanks to all who responded to me (both on and off the list). You 
suggestions are valuable!


And an extra question for Cotty:
For those 15 years, where have you been getting extra virgins
(to grease the pole)? ;-)


Igor




 Steve Cottrell Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:44:44 -0700 wrote:

On 18/10/17, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:


I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called
trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are
multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to
change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).



I have a Dahle A4 rotary trimmer. It's about 15 years old, never 
changed the blade. Only maintenance is to very occasionally grease the 
pole with a bit of extra virgin olive oil ;-)




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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Igor PDML-StR]

Many thanks to all who responded to me (both on and off the list). You 
suggestions are valuable!


And an extra question for Cotty:
For those 15 years, where have you been getting extra virgins
(to grease the pole)? ;-)


Igor




 Steve Cottrell Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:44:44 -0700 wrote:

On 18/10/17, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:


I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called
trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are
multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to
change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).



I have a Dahle A4 rotary trimmer. It's about 15 years old, never changed 
the blade. Only maintenance is to very occasionally grease the pole with a 
bit of extra virgin olive oil ;-)


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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[mike wilson]

> On 18 October 2017 at 18:14 Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good knife or
> a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental 
> office or elsewhere.
> I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
> I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
> trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
> multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
> change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).
> 
> So, my question is:
> What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
> application to the photo paper?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Igor

After nearly forty years of buying the damned things, I would say there is very
little difference between types.  It depends on what you fancy.  What does make
a difference is quality.  Buy the very best one you can afford.  Then, according
again to my experience, you need to bolt it to something exceedingly large and
heavy.  Then bolt that to the floor.

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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[John]

On 10/18/2017 13:14, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Hi All,

I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good knife or
a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental office or 
elsewhere.
I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called trimmers?). I see 
that they could be a bit more versatile if there are multiple types of edges (wave, straight, 
etc.), but then you'd need to change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).

So, my question is:
What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
application to the photo paper?

Thank you,

Igor



My experience is that the rolling style cutters give a more precise cut, less 
slippage and fewer ragged edges. It's a lot easier to use when you misjudge the 
cut and have to cut it again to take a tiny sliver off.

I only have a straight cutter & have never had to change the wheel. I probably 
could if I was doing industrial quantities.



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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Steve Cottrell]

On 18/10/17, Igor PDML-StR, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
>I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
>trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
>multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
>change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).

I have a Dahle A4 rotary trimmer. It's about 15 years old, never changed the 
blade. Only maintenance is to very occasionally grease the pole with a bit of 
extra virgin olive oil ;-)

Half the technique with them is how you hold the timmer head and how much 
pressure you use and in what direction. Easy to master.

Still works perfectly.



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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[P. J. Alling]

A good rolling cutter can be much more precise than a guillotine cutter, 
a bad one is less precise.  I've used both on actual photo sensitive 
paper and on inkjet paper.  I consider the multiple edges to be 
gimmicks.  I'm sure they're good for something but don't see any actual 
use for them in photography.  Also the removable blade versions for use 
with the different wheel types seem to be less precise than those that 
are only expected to be replaced when the blade gets dull.



On 10/18/2017 1:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Hi All,

I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good 
knife or
a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental 
office or elsewhere.

I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).


So, my question is:
What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
application to the photo paper?


Thank you,

Igor





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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Anthony Farr]

I've used and owned both guillotines and rotary cutters and find them
equally good at the mid-level of quality. Both my cutter and my
guillotine at home have slightly skewed measuring guides on their
boards, which is annoying, but I've learned to compensate, and the
blades are good and square so that's the most important things sorted.
Guillotines are potentially the better tool in my opinion. The paper
skewing problem that has been mentioned is easily overcome by pressing
a sheet of cardboard down over the work, just inside the cut line, to
prevent the work from lifting or shifting. A really good cutting edge
(actually edge pairs because a guillotine works the same as scissors)
will slice the paper with so little resistance that skewing isn't an
issue. Some guillotines come with a hold-down bar that clamps the work
just before the blade comes down and I'd recommend looking for that
feature. Guillotines are definitely better for bulk cutting and a good
blade will have no trouble with ten or more sheets at a time, even
twenty plus if it's standard letter quality paper. I've used pedal
operated guillotines that don't even baulk at 100 sheets.
One last hint... If you place the cutting edge above a light table you
should, unless the paper is very thick, be able to see the cut line
absolutely exactly.

regards, Anthony

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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Paul Stenquist]

I use a box cutter, a straight edge and a mat room cutting board with a 1-inch 
grid. I was trained by ad biz art directors.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 18, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> Igor -
> 
> I don't do a lot of paper trimming, but when I do I use rotary cutters - 
> never had much luck with accurately using the guillotine cutters.  For 
> smaller paper, up to 8.5 x 11 I use a cutter similar to this...
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yctm66qa
> 
> If I have a need to trim larger sheets*I* use one that's actually made for 
> working with fabric but works fine for photo paper as well...like this...
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/y87lefqk
> 
> -p
> 
> *
> *
> 
> 
>> On 10/18/2017 12:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good knife or
>> a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental office 
>> or elsewhere.
>> I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
>> I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
>> trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
>> multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
>> change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).
>> 
>> So, my question is:
>> What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
>> application to the photo paper?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Paul Sorenson]

Igor -

I don't do a lot of paper trimming, but when I do I use rotary cutters - 
never had much luck with accurately using the guillotine cutters.  For 
smaller paper, up to 8.5 x 11 I use a cutter similar to this...


http://tinyurl.com/yctm66qa

If I have a need to trim larger sheets*I* use one that's actually made 
for working with fabric but works fine for photo paper as well...like 
this...


http://tinyurl.com/y87lefqk

-p

*
*


On 10/18/2017 12:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Hi All,

I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good 
knife or
a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental 
office or elsewhere.

I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).


So, my question is:
What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
application to the photo paper?


Thank you,

Igor





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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[John Francis]

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 01:14:19PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good knife or
> a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental office
> or elsewhere.
> I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
> I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called
> trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are
> multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to
> change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).
> 
> So, my question is:
> What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in
> application to the photo paper?

I've never had much success with the standard side-arm guillotine cutter.
For one thing, they are designed to be used by right-handed people.
Besides that, though, I've found that there's a tendency for the paper to
shift during the cut (so you end up cutting not quite along the line that
you wanted to cut on), or for the blade to twist away from the platform
so you end up tearing the paper slightly rather than making a clean cut.
In each case the problem gets worse the longer the cut you are trying to
make, and the more items you have stacked up to cut in one operation.
If you're only trying to cut two or three items with a cut smaller than 6"
you should be ok, but trying to make an 11" cut through 10 sheets of paper
can be a problem.
If you're only cutting a single sheet of photo paper, and it doesn't have
to be precisely cut to sub-millimeter accuracy, you should be OK with either
the side arm guillotine or one of the cheap roller cutters - I tried one of
those as well, but didn't find that it really offered me any improvement
(I didn't need the versatility of being able to make wavy-edged cuts).

I eventually gave in to temptation, and bought myself one of these:

 
https://www.amazon.com/Rotatrim-RCM24-24-Inch-Professional-Trimmer/dp/B9UTIP
 
It's not cheap, and it's not absolutely perfect, but it's pretty close.
The quality of the cut is ideal - as you move the cutting head the paper
is held tightly, so the cut is clean even when cutting multiple sheets
of cardstock (although I usually try to cut at most three sheets if I'm
cutting 65lb stock).

The only problems I've had is that it's a little hard to know exactly where
the cut will be made when trimming off margins (although if you err on the
conservative side you can just shift the paper and cut again - the cutter
will happily shave off a sliver of paper of a quarter of a millimeter or so),
and the alignment of the paper guide on the left hand side is just a hair
off - maybe 1/4 of a mm difference between the two ends (~1 part in 1000).

Oh, and one other thing - the screw that locks the stylus (the thing that
slides up and down the paper guide) looks as though it's metal, but it is
in fact made of plastic.  I found this out the hard way when the stylus
slid off the guide and fell onto the floor when I was moving the cutter;
the impact broke the head off the screw.  But Rotatrim happily shipped me
a replacement part at no charge, even though they're based in the UK.

I don't know how long the cutting wheels last - I've had mine slightly less
than five years, and with occasional use over that time it still seems to be
every bit as sharp as it was the day I purchased it.


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guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Igor PDML-StR]

Hi All,

I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good knife or
a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental 
office or elsewhere.

I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).


So, my question is:
What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
application to the photo paper?


Thank you,

Igor



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