People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[Bipin Gupta]

I've been using Photoshop for donkey years, but stopped with the CS6
version for a couple of reasons:
a) Photography is my hobby and I am not into it for money. Also I have
this idiosyncrasy to own the very best of things like shoes- Bata,
Cameras - Pentax, Watch - Rolex & Omega, Cars - Infinity, Travel
Luggage - Samsonite & so on.
But I changed to a 4K Intel Core i7 laptop, and the fonts + modules
appeared miniscule and I could not read them. Adobe & Microsoft were
at loggerheads blaming each other so the problem remains unsolved.
RIP Photoshop CS6.
b) $ 10 a month may appear small, but I would rather own my own
software which resides on my own machine, not somewhere in the cloud.
Reason why I have not moved into a Gated Community where you pay a
monthly service + maintenance charge and listen to all the Rules they
make.
I rather have my own little house at the meeting point of 4-Roads -
what is called a unique corner site.
c) I have used a number of Software - Pentax's own PDCU5, Cyberlink
Photo Director, DxO Optics Pro, Lightroom + some more, but find LR CC
2015.12 with the NIK interface the friendliest, easiest & fast.
d) I am aware that Photoshop is the Studio Owner's and Pro Photogs
favorite, so they will have to go on using it in whatever way Adobe
hands it out to them - whether they have a choice or not.
Not for me, as I will move on to something else like Luminar, GIMP etc.

Thanks for reading.
Bipin
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People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[Bipin Gupta]

I've been using Photoshop for donkey years, but stopped with the CS6
version for a couple of reasons:
a) Photography is my hobby and I am not into it for money. Also I have this
idiosyncrasy to own the very best of things like shoes- Bata, Cameras -
Pentax, Watch - Rolex & Omega, Cars - Infinity, Travel Luggage - Samsonite
& so on.
But I changed to a 4K Intel Core i7 laptop, and the fonts + modules
appeared miniscule and I could not read them. Adobe & Microsoft were at
loggerheads blaming each other so the problem remains unsolved.
RIP Photoshop CS6.
b) $ 10 a month may appear small, but I would rather own my own software
which resides on my own machine, not somewhere in the cloud.
Reason why I have not moved into a Gated Community where you pay a monthly
service + maintenance charge and listen to all the Rules they make.
I rather have my own little house at the meeting point of 4-Roads - what is
called a unique corner site.
c) I have used a number of Software - Pentax's own PDCU5, Cyberlink Photo
Director, DxO Optics Pro, Lightroom + some more, but find LR CC 2015.12
with the NIK interface the friendliest, easiest & fast.
d) I am aware that Photoshop is the Studio Owner's and Pro Photogs
favorite, so they will have to go on using it in whatever way Adobe hands
it out to them - whether they have a choice or not.
Not for me, as I will move on to something else like Luminar, GIMP etc.

Thanks for reading.
Bipin
camp: Thornhill, Ontario.
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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[Brian Walters]

Well, I'll add my 2 cents...

I used the CC Photographer's Plan when it first appeared and kept at it for
about 18 months. Prior to that I was using CS3. However, I found that I just
wasn't making use of CC's additional features over CS3 (other than occasional
use of the dehaze filter), so I cancelled the subscription and went back to CS3.
 CS3 handles raw DNGs from my K5 and, with the Metaraw plugin I can even open
raws from my Olympus OMDs.


Cheers

Brian

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> On 16 November 2017 at 08:47 Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when I
> asked why she said:
> I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade and
> just about everyone I know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much refused
> to upgrade to Creative Cloud
> 
> Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just
> their rapacious business model?
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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[John]

On 11/15/2017 16:47, Larry Colen wrote:

My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when I 
asked why she said:
I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade and 
just about everyone I know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much refused 
to upgrade to Creative Cloud

Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
their rapacious business model?
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I'd just like to add that I'm now looking at 32" (or larger) 4K monitors. Don't need one, 
but I'd like to have one, although my internal pressure hasn't built up to "gotta have 
it" levels.

So for now, I'm only "just lookin'".

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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[Paul Stenquist]

I’m an unemployed professional baseball player.


> On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:40 AM, P. J. Alling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't used Photoshop CC but if you want to work for pay, in any part of 
>> the graphics, industry that's what you use.
> 
> Candice happens to be an unemployed professional graphic artist.  It’s 
> actually for her friend Brett who is just a 
> 
>> 
>> I'm still using Photoshop CS2.  I'm not an artist or illustrator, 
>> professional or otherwise. I'm an, occasionally good, photographer.  I don't 
>> need 90% of the features that Photoshop, even a version as ancient, as CS2 
>> provides.
> 
> I’ve got an old copy of photoshop that I got through a friend who works at 
> adobe. Every feature that I found myself needing in it has been rolled into 
> lightroom, so I can’t even remember when I last fired it up.
> 
>> 
>> There are a number of Photoshop competitors that appear to have almost the 
>> same features for less money or are available for outright purchase.   
>> Unless there is something you /need/ that only the latest version of 
>> Photoshop has, which seems unlikely for a Photographer, there's no need to 
>> upgrade.
>> 
>> The current business model that Adobe is following is good for most 
>> professionals, it's also very, very good for Adobe who seem to be minting 
>> money at the moment.  It's not so good for the average photographer, who 
>> needs to upgrade occasionally as hardware improves and those improvements 
>> are happening with much less frequency.
> 
> It’s good for professionals that use photoshop. It’s less good for folks who 
> just use Lightroom.  I don’t know of a single feature in Lightroom CC I need 
> that isn’t in LR6.  For that matter, there are serious issues with the cool 
> new features in LR6 that makes them much less useful than they could be.  The 
> subscription cost is about the same as the cost of upgrading every year, with 
> the added cost of losing the ability to edit photos if I stop upgrading.   
> Yes, in theory, I could always fall back to LR6, until they change the 
> processing engine.  
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/15/2017 4:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and 
>>> when I asked why she said:
>>> I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade 
>>> and just about everyone I know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much 
>>> refused to upgrade to Creative Cloud
>>> 
>>> Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
>>> their rapacious business model?
>>> --
>>> Larry Colen
>>> l...@red4est.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[Larry Colen]

> On Nov 16, 2017, at 10:40 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I haven't used Photoshop CC but if you want to work for pay, in any part of 
> the graphics, industry that's what you use.

Candice happens to be an unemployed professional graphic artist.  It’s actually 
for her friend Brett who is just a 
 
> 
> I'm still using Photoshop CS2.  I'm not an artist or illustrator, 
> professional or otherwise. I'm an, occasionally good, photographer.  I don't 
> need 90% of the features that Photoshop, even a version as ancient, as CS2 
> provides.

I’ve got an old copy of photoshop that I got through a friend who works at 
adobe. Every feature that I found myself needing in it has been rolled into 
lightroom, so I can’t even remember when I last fired it up.

> 
> There are a number of Photoshop competitors that appear to have almost the 
> same features for less money or are available for outright purchase.   Unless 
> there is something you /need/ that only the latest version of Photoshop has, 
> which seems unlikely for a Photographer, there's no need to upgrade.
> 
> The current business model that Adobe is following is good for most 
> professionals, it's also very, very good for Adobe who seem to be minting 
> money at the moment.  It's not so good for the average photographer, who 
> needs to upgrade occasionally as hardware improves and those improvements are 
> happening with much less frequency.

It’s good for professionals that use photoshop. It’s less good for folks who 
just use Lightroom.  I don’t know of a single feature in Lightroom CC I need 
that isn’t in LR6.  For that matter, there are serious issues with the cool new 
features in LR6 that makes them much less useful than they could be.  The 
subscription cost is about the same as the cost of upgrading every year, with 
the added cost of losing the ability to edit photos if I stop upgrading.   Yes, 
in theory, I could always fall back to LR6, until they change the processing 
engine.  


> 
> 
> 
> On 11/15/2017 4:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when 
>> I asked why she said:
>> I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade 
>> and just about everyone I know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much 
>> refused to upgrade to Creative Cloud
>> 
>> Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
>> their rapacious business model?
>> --
>> Larry Colen
>> l...@red4est.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[Doug Brewer]

I use it. I don't use it as much as I use Lightroom, but I do sometimes 
slide it open if I determine I need something it offers that LR doesn't, 
and it works. The newest version is pretty snappy, even on my relatively 
old MBP, although I have to say I seldom work with excessively large files.


Editing photos rises to the level of meditative state for me, during 
which I immerse myself in the process and shut out the dark noise of the 
world for a while, and for that state I find it difficult to get too 
torqued up about ten bucks a month. Your mileage, of course, may vary.


On 11/15/17 4:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when I 
asked why she said:
I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade and 
just about everyone I know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much refused 
to upgrade to Creative Cloud

Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
their rapacious business model?
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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[P. J. Alling]

I haven't used Photoshop CC but if you want to work for pay, in any part 
of the graphics, industry that's what you use.


I'm still using Photoshop CS2.  I'm not an artist or illustrator, 
professional or otherwise. I'm an, occasionally good, photographer.  I 
don't need 90% of the features that Photoshop, even a version as 
ancient, as CS2 provides.


There are a number of Photoshop competitors that appear to have almost 
the same features for less money or are available for outright 
purchase.   Unless there is something you /need/ that only the latest 
version of Photoshop has, which seems unlikely for a Photographer, 
there's no need to upgrade.


The current business model that Adobe is following is good for most 
professionals, it's also very, very good for Adobe who seem to be 
minting money at the moment.  It's not so good for the average 
photographer, who needs to upgrade occasionally as hardware improves and 
those improvements are happening with much less frequency.




On 11/15/2017 4:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when I 
asked why she said:
I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade and 
just about everyone I know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much refused 
to upgrade to Creative Cloud

Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
their rapacious business model?
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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[John]

On 11/15/2017 16:47, Larry Colen wrote:

My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when I 
asked why she said:
I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade and 
just about everyone I know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much refused 
to upgrade to Creative Cloud

Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
their rapacious business model?
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I'm still using CS6 Extended;  seems to handle the K-1 DNG files with no 
trouble. I'll probably update my NIK filters if DXO brings out new ones (now 
that they bought NIK from Google).

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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[Zos Xavius]

Frankly its obvious that new development is only going to be on CC
from this point forward. Lightroom 6 was constantly behind the CC
version too, so that should say a lot about how much they care about
it. Adobe wanted to pull this move to subscription all along. It makes
sense if you regularly buy new versions of lightroom anyways. Frankly
I pirated versions 2-5, but now that they have the CC versions I can
just use my work copy legitimately. That said, if I had to pay the $10
a month I would gladly. I get way more than $10 a month of usefulness
out of both products. People love to praise capture one, but it is
basically twice as expensive and doesn't even have photoshop which I
feel is a necessity anyways. Frankly I still like lightroom. It
finally is playing nice again on my computer so I don't hate it like I
did a year ago. Of course upgrading to the PC equivalent of a Macbook
Pro didn't hurt either. Once you get your catalog file and previews on
an SSD and get your ram in the 16-32gb range it will run pretty well
even on an older computer with a fairly slow GPU. The ram and SSD are
the big things. An sandybridge or newer i5 or i7 doesn't hurt either.
It ran perfectly fine on my older crap Acer i5@2.5ghz when I stuck
16gb of ram in the machine. On 8gb it was pretty painful, especially
when the OS was running off of a slow HD drive. I also have a 200k
image catalog in lightroom. When I make a new catalog for small
projects with just a few thousand images it is really fast. So unless
your catalog isn't really huge, you can probably get away with even
less of a machine. The big thing was just getting enough ram so you
aren't swapping. LR alone can eat up 4-5GB of RAM pretty easily. If
you stitch panoramas I've seen it use up to 20GB or so pretty easily.
So its not really efficient in terms of ram usage for panorama
creation.  It does make a fully RAW panorama though which is really,
really cool if you think about it.

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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[Zos Xavius]

Didn't mean to quote John there btw either. Just a general reply. :)

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> CC has come quite a ways since version 5. Just being able to do
> panoramas and hdr in lightroom alone is pretty huge. For $10 a month
> with photoshop its really not a bad deal at all considering what you
> get. Photoshop CC is pretty nice too. The new CC Classic has a lot of
> performance improvements and I can say it definitely feels a bit
> snappier than the older version. Dehaze comes in pretty handy too,
> especially if you landscape. With a light touch it does actually work
> pretty well.
>
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 6:08 PM, John Coyle <jco...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> I've had the CC version since it was launched, and have had absolutely no 
>> issues with it.  I moved
>> up to it from PS Elements, and before then had CS3, so there was a 
>> significant improvement in
>> functionality.  The advantage of having new features and improvements 
>> available immediately at no
>> additional cost is a definite plus.
>> I must say I don't consider the cost to be rapacious - for me, with just PS 
>> and Bridge, it's only
>> A$13 a month!  I neither like nor want Lightroom, but I could add that again 
>> with no increase in the
>> cost, I believe.
>>
>> My 2c worth
>>
>>
>> John in Brisbane
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
>> Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 7:48 AM
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>> <ccmo...@pacbell.net>
>> Subject: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop
>>
>> My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when 
>> I asked why she said:
>> I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade 
>> and just about everyone I
>> know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much refused to upgrade to 
>> Creative Cloud
>>
>> Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
>> their rapacious business
>> model?
>> --
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>> l...@red4est.com
>>
>>
>>
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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[Zos Xavius]

CC has come quite a ways since version 5. Just being able to do
panoramas and hdr in lightroom alone is pretty huge. For $10 a month
with photoshop its really not a bad deal at all considering what you
get. Photoshop CC is pretty nice too. The new CC Classic has a lot of
performance improvements and I can say it definitely feels a bit
snappier than the older version. Dehaze comes in pretty handy too,
especially if you landscape. With a light touch it does actually work
pretty well.

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 6:08 PM, John Coyle <jco...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> I've had the CC version since it was launched, and have had absolutely no 
> issues with it.  I moved
> up to it from PS Elements, and before then had CS3, so there was a 
> significant improvement in
> functionality.  The advantage of having new features and improvements 
> available immediately at no
> additional cost is a definite plus.
> I must say I don't consider the cost to be rapacious - for me, with just PS 
> and Bridge, it's only
> A$13 a month!  I neither like nor want Lightroom, but I could add that again 
> with no increase in the
> cost, I believe.
>
> My 2c worth
>
>
> John in Brisbane
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 7:48 AM
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> <ccmo...@pacbell.net>
> Subject: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop
>
> My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when 
> I asked why she said:
> I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade 
> and just about everyone I
> know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much refused to upgrade to 
> Creative Cloud
>
> Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
> their rapacious business
> model?
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> l...@red4est.com
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RE: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[John Coyle]

I've had the CC version since it was launched, and have had absolutely no 
issues with it.  I moved
up to it from PS Elements, and before then had CS3, so there was a significant 
improvement in
functionality.  The advantage of having new features and improvements available 
immediately at no
additional cost is a definite plus.
I must say I don't consider the cost to be rapacious - for me, with just PS and 
Bridge, it's only
A$13 a month!  I neither like nor want Lightroom, but I could add that again 
with no increase in the
cost, I believe.

My 2c worth


John in Brisbane



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Subject: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when I 
asked why she said:
I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade and 
just about everyone I
know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much refused to upgrade to Creative 
Cloud

Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
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model?
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Re: People's thoughts on Adobe CC photoshop

[DagT]

I use PS CC (now 2018). 

It works OK, and especially after I got the K-1 and the kamera and lens 
profiles were updated pretty fast. Too often a camera upgrade earlier meant an 
updated PS too, so if you change cameras (too) often the price of the CC is not 
that much.

On the other hand I´m not an advanced PS user, so I can´t answer any 
complicated questions :-) 

DagT


> 15. nov. 2017 kl. 22.47 skrev Larry Colen :
> 
> My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when 
> I asked why she said:
> I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade 
> and just about everyone I know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much 
> refused to upgrade to Creative Cloud
> 
> Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
> their rapacious business model?
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> l...@red4est.com
> 
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[Larry Colen]

My friend Candice ccmo...@pacbell.net  asked me about photoshop cc, and when I 
asked why she said:
I'm looking for reviews from people I know, because Brett wants to upgrade and 
just about everyone I know is still using CS5/CS6 and have pretty much refused 
to upgrade to Creative Cloud

Would anyone like to share their thoughts on how it works, rather than just 
their rapacious business model?
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Larry Colen
l...@red4est.com




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