Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest
On 9/19/11 10:08 AM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2011-markhamfair/album/index.html In my markham fair post, i mentioned that one of the jays shots, 6037, the landing one, is a bit soft, Paul calls in motion blur.:-) This is the one i like for the wild bird class, but am bothered by this bit of softness, which does not really show up at web sizes so i just noticed it when i printed it out. Question to the judges on the list, would this be a deal breaker or not. The concept of the photo is jays in flight, but would the softness or motion blur be enough to say, nope, try again next year Brooksie. My other choices are #'s 6034 and 6057 in the above link. Thoughts??? Dave yeah, the issue is that when we look at a photo we look for the thing in focus and think that is the subject. In the shot in question, by this logic, the peanuts on the bench appear to be the subject. If the Jay was the only thing in the photo, I could maybe grant a little wiggle room on the focus, but then the problem might be someone else delivering a shot where the bird was in perfect focus, and I'd go with that one. Not knowing the relative quality of the typical Markham Fair submissions, though, I would be hard for me to make that call. The short answer would then be, as always, it depends. If it were my shot, I'd probably wait for next year, but I'm way too critical of my own work. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest
Yes, Dave, the Jay blur is substantial and too general. Actually, I'm not certain it's not focus blur, do to its not being most apparent in those areas where one might expect it; such as the wings. I'm afraid it would be an immediate deal breaker for me. Have judged a number of contests mainly due to my connection with a large local camera shot/lab. Jack - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:08 AM Subject: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2011-markhamfair/album/index.html In my markham fair post, i mentioned that one of the jays shots, 6037, the landing one, is a bit soft, Paul calls in motion blur.:-) This is the one i like for the wild bird class, but am bothered by this bit of softness, which does not really show up at web sizes so i just noticed it when i printed it out. Question to the judges on the list, would this be a deal breaker or not. The concept of the photo is jays in flight, but would the softness or motion blur be enough to say, nope, try again next year Brooksie. My other choices are #'s 6034 and 6057 in the above link. Thoughts??? Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: On 9/19/11 10:08 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Not knowing the relative quality of the typical Markham Fair submissions, though, I would be hard for me to make that call. its a nice friendly contest, like the one at GFM.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, Dave, the Jay blur is substantial and too general. Actually, I'm not certain it's not focus blur, do to its not being most apparent in those areas where one might expect it; such as the wings. I'm afraid it would be an immediate deal breaker for me. Have judged a number of contests mainly due to my connection with a large local camera shot/lab. Jack I see what you and Doug are getting at. The other two are much sharper on the bird, the starling is tak sharp with some wing edge motion blur, may go with that on. Dave - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:08 AM Subject: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2011-markhamfair/album/index.html In my markham fair post, i mentioned that one of the jays shots, 6037, the landing one, is a bit soft, Paul calls in motion blur.:-) This is the one i like for the wild bird class, but am bothered by this bit of softness, which does not really show up at web sizes so i just noticed it when i printed it out. Question to the judges on the list, would this be a deal breaker or not. The concept of the photo is jays in flight, but would the softness or motion blur be enough to say, nope, try again next year Brooksie. My other choices are #'s 6034 and 6057 in the above link. Thoughts??? Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest
The starling is a dramatic catch. Both the blur and posture create the drama. Would have been great if the frame had contained an obvious challenge..ie, a squirrel Jack - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, Dave, the Jay blur is substantial and too general. Actually, I'm not certain it's not focus blur, do to its not being most apparent in those areas where one might expect it; such as the wings. I'm afraid it would be an immediate deal breaker for me. Have judged a number of contests mainly due to my connection with a large local camera shot/lab. Jack I see what you and Doug are getting at. The other two are much sharper on the bird, the starling is tak sharp with some wing edge motion blur, may go with that on. Dave - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:08 AM Subject: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2011-markhamfair/album/index.html In my markham fair post, i mentioned that one of the jays shots, 6037, the landing one, is a bit soft, Paul calls in motion blur.:-) This is the one i like for the wild bird class, but am bothered by this bit of softness, which does not really show up at web sizes so i just noticed it when i printed it out. Question to the judges on the list, would this be a deal breaker or not. The concept of the photo is jays in flight, but would the softness or motion blur be enough to say, nope, try again next year Brooksie. My other choices are #'s 6034 and 6057 in the above link. Thoughts??? Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest
Well as I said earlier I'd go with 6034... the jay with the squirrel make it the most interesting and the least likely to look like someone elses merely pretty shot of a bird taking off or landing... I like the swans but that is a bit cliche too and the light isnt that good. Love the cat portrait behind the screen - simple and elegant. the flower I like best is 62 - the rose against the wall. and in people category - the little girl helping the firefighters looks like a winner to me. ann's 2 cents On 9/19/2011 10:08, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2011-markhamfair/album/index.html In my markham fair post, i mentioned that one of the jays shots, 6037, the landing one, is a bit soft, Paul calls in motion blur.:-) This is the one i like for the wild bird class, but am bothered by this bit of softness, which does not really show up at web sizes so i just noticed it when i printed it out. Question to the judges on the list, would this be a deal breaker or not. The concept of the photo is jays in flight, but would the softness or motion blur be enough to say, nope, try again next year Brooksie. My other choices are #'s 6034 and 6057 in the above link. Thoughts??? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:08 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2011-markhamfair/album/index.html In my markham fair post, i mentioned that one of the jays shots, 6037, the landing one, is a bit soft, Paul calls in motion blur.:-) This is the one i like for the wild bird class, but am bothered by this bit of softness, which does not really show up at web sizes so i just noticed it when i printed it out. Question to the judges on the list, would this be a deal breaker or not. The concept of the photo is jays in flight, but would the softness or motion blur be enough to say, nope, try again next year Brooksie. My other choices are #'s 6034 and 6057 in the above link. Thoughts??? Based on the show I judged recently, whether it seems a little soft and whether that is going to count against it depends a lot on a) what it is up against in the competition b) what talks to the viewpoint of the judge A certain level of technical merit/competenchy has to be there in the photo, but once there things get trickier. I had several cases of very good photographs that were competing for a prize in this recent exhibition. My overall take on what I felt had more merit had to do with the level at which a particular photograph communicated a message to me, the viewer, and in most cases those were easy to rank in a category. However, in two cases there were several equally appealing photographs competing for the same award, and in those cases I had to reach to specific technical merits to rank one over the other. If you're trying to portray jays in flight, the motion blur here is a little much. If, on the other hand, you're looking to portray food desirable to jays swooping in, it becomes more approachable. How exactly you would cue the viewer as to that second intent is an exercise left to the reader... ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest
On 19/09/2011 8:08 AM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2011-markhamfair/album/index.html In my markham fair post, i mentioned that one of the jays shots, 6037, the landing one, is a bit soft, Paul calls in motion blur.:-) This is the one i like for the wild bird class, but am bothered by this bit of softness, which does not really show up at web sizes so i just noticed it when i printed it out. Question to the judges on the list, would this be a deal breaker or not. The concept of the photo is jays in flight, but would the softness or motion blur be enough to say, nope, try again next year Brooksie. My other choices are #'s 6034 and 6057 in the above link. Thoughts??? I haven't read any replies as I write this. 6034 is my choice of the three, the background blur is better, which makes the bird stand out a bit more. Charmi likes 6037 more. She likes how the bird is more visible and spread out. She's probably right. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for Mark, Doug, William and anyone else that has judged a photo contest
On 9/19/2011 22:48, William Robb wrote: On 19/09/2011 8:08 AM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2011-markhamfair/album/index.html In my markham fair post, i mentioned that one of the jays shots, 6037, the landing one, is a bit soft, Paul calls in motion blur.:-) This is the one i like for the wild bird class, but am bothered by this bit of softness, which does not really show up at web sizes so i just noticed it when i printed it out. Question to the judges on the list, would this be a deal breaker or not. The concept of the photo is jays in flight, but would the softness or motion blur be enough to say, nope, try again next year Brooksie. My other choices are #'s 6034 and 6057 in the above link. Thoughts??? I haven't read any replies as I write this. 6034 is my choice of the three, the background blur is better, which makes the bird stand out a bit more. Charmi likes 6037 more. She likes how the bird is more visible and spread out. She's probably right. Well if it is between 6034,6057, 6037 only I would agree with you , Bill.. for the same reason .. but I like the position of the bird, too. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
