Re[2]: Preflash on AF360-FGZ Causing Subjects to Blink?
Michael wrote: MC Manually setting the aperture at f/5.6, the shutter speed doesn't go MC lower than 45 in either Program or TV. Would it be better to set the MC shutter speed at 30 in Manual mode to get a little more ambient light? Hi Michael, Capturing a bit of the ambient light will add to the mood of your pictures. I also prefer the FA 50/1.4 for these circumstances, and chose to shoot in manual mode, with lens open at 2.8 and at speeds of 1/15 - 1/30. The blur caused by the people movement is largely compensated by the flash freezing their position. You might also try select trailing curtain synchro on your 360FTZ flash. This will freeze the subject at the end of the blur trail, giving a very suggestive sense of dynamism. Servus, Alin
Re[2]: Preflash on AF360-FGZ Causing Subjects to Blink?
Michael, Try about 5.6 with the aperture ring. Leave the rest of the camera in program and I think that it will not set the shutter below 1/30 and not greater than flash synch speed. Bruce Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 12:13:45 PM, you wrote: MC Bruce, MC With the ZX-L, I cannot select TTL, my only choices are A, M and P-TTL. MC I used fast film (Portra 800). MC Could you offer a little guidance about camera settings with flash? In MC this instance, I was using the FA 50mm f/1.4. MC I used the Program AE (a smiley face on the ZX-L), and the camera MC selected a shutter speed of 45 and pretty small apertures (somewhere MC around f/11). MC I have also tried using shutter-priority and setting the shutter speed MC at 30, which gives larger apertures close to wide open. In these MC settings, ambient light dominates, so I get a yellow color shift which MC is not necessarily a problem. MC A third possibility I considered was using M and setting the shutter MC speed at 20 or 30 and then manually selecting an aperture around f/2.8 MC to f/5.6? MC What camera settings do you use in situations like this? MC Thanks, MC Michael MC Bruce Dayton wrote: Michael, Having used 360's extensively, the mode you are probably referring to is P-TTL where a pre-flash for measurements is taken. In practice it looks like one really long flash rather than two short ones. I have not really noticed an excessive amount of shut eyes due to blinking on hundreds of pictures taken. Two differences - 1) I have used an MZ-S. I don't know if the delay between pre-flash and main flash is longer with your camera or not. I would not suspect it to be. 2) I don't normally shoot with flash in as dim a light as you are indicating. This may have more to do with it. The dimmer the light, the longer the flash duration will be. This would give people more opportunity to blink. Also the slower the film and more stopped down the longer the duration. A simple test would be to use those variables, plus compare P-TTL to TTL and see if you notice any difference. Just a few thoughts. Bruce Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 10:00:12 AM, you wrote: MC On Saturday evening, I used my new (to me) AF360-FGZ to take some MC pictures at our Christmas party. When I got back the prints, the MC majority of the photos had at least one person with their eyes closed. MC The house was fairly dark and the revelers had imbibed quite a bit of MC Christmas cheer by the time the camera came out. Since everyone's eyes MC had adjusted to very dim lighting, I am wondering if the preflash on the MC AF360 caused people to blink so that when the photos were taken, their MC eyes were closed? MC Any thoughts? MC Michael Cross MC Chico, CA
Re[2]: Preflash on AF360-FGZ Causing Subjects to Blink?
Michael, No, let it go. The camera believes that you shouldn't hand hold it lower than 1/45 with your 35mm lens. That should be ok for the time being. Do a few test shots there and see how they turn out. You might try it on a few who didn't blink and a few who did. The other thing to try is setting the shutter speed to max flash synch and 5.6 and see what you get. Perhaps the slower shutter speed is allowing people enough time to blink. Bruce Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 12:32:57 PM, you wrote: MC Bruce, MC Manually setting the aperture at f/5.6, the shutter speed doesn't go MC lower than 45 in either Program or TV. Would it be better to set the MC shutter speed at 30 in Manual mode to get a little more ambient light? MC Michael MC Bruce Dayton wrote: Michael, Try about 5.6 with the aperture ring. Leave the rest of the camera in program and I think that it will not set the shutter below 1/30 and not greater than flash synch speed. Bruce Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 12:13:45 PM, you wrote: MC Bruce, MC With the ZX-L, I cannot select TTL, my only choices are A, M and P-TTL. MC I used fast film (Portra 800). MC Could you offer a little guidance about camera settings with flash? In MC this instance, I was using the FA 50mm f/1.4. MC I used the Program AE (a smiley face on the ZX-L), and the camera MC selected a shutter speed of 45 and pretty small apertures (somewhere MC around f/11). MC I have also tried using shutter-priority and setting the shutter speed MC at 30, which gives larger apertures close to wide open. In these MC settings, ambient light dominates, so I get a yellow color shift which MC is not necessarily a problem. MC A third possibility I considered was using M and setting the shutter MC speed at 20 or 30 and then manually selecting an aperture around f/2.8 MC to f/5.6? MC What camera settings do you use in situations like this? MC Thanks, MC Michael MC Bruce Dayton wrote: Michael, Having used 360's extensively, the mode you are probably referring to is P-TTL where a pre-flash for measurements is taken. In practice it looks like one really long flash rather than two short ones. I have not really noticed an excessive amount of shut eyes due to blinking on hundreds of pictures taken. Two differences - 1) I have used an MZ-S. I don't know if the delay between pre-flash and main flash is longer with your camera or not. I would not suspect it to be. 2) I don't normally shoot with flash in as dim a light as you are indicating. This may have more to do with it. The dimmer the light, the longer the flash duration will be. This would give people more opportunity to blink. Also the slower the film and more stopped down the longer the duration. A simple test would be to use those variables, plus compare P-TTL to TTL and see if you notice any difference. Just a few thoughts. Bruce Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 10:00:12 AM, you wrote: MC On Saturday evening, I used my new (to me) AF360-FGZ to take some MC pictures at our Christmas party. When I got back the prints, the MC majority of the photos had at least one person with their eyes closed. MC The house was fairly dark and the revelers had imbibed quite a bit of MC Christmas cheer by the time the camera came out. Since everyone's eyes MC had adjusted to very dim lighting, I am wondering if the preflash on the MC AF360 caused people to blink so that when the photos were taken, their MC eyes were closed? MC Any thoughts? MC Michael Cross MC Chico, CA
Re[2]: Preflash on AF360-FGZ Causing Subjects to Blink?
Michael, I wouldn't try the red-eye reduction mode simply because too many people let their guard down after the first flash and you end up more often with the after shot look. Bruce Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 12:39:39 PM, you wrote: MC Bruce, MC I just tried selecting the red-eye reduction mode on the camera. That MC mode gives a noticeably earlier pre-flash about a second prior to the MC shot. I wonder if the red eye mode would allow people to adjust to the MC flash and get their eyes back open before the shot? MC Michael MC Bruce Dayton wrote: Michael, Try about 5.6 with the aperture ring. Leave the rest of the camera in program and I think that it will not set the shutter below 1/30 and not greater than flash synch speed. Bruce Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 12:13:45 PM, you wrote: MC Bruce, MC With the ZX-L, I cannot select TTL, my only choices are A, M and P-TTL. MC I used fast film (Portra 800). MC Could you offer a little guidance about camera settings with flash? In MC this instance, I was using the FA 50mm f/1.4. MC I used the Program AE (a smiley face on the ZX-L), and the camera MC selected a shutter speed of 45 and pretty small apertures (somewhere MC around f/11). MC I have also tried using shutter-priority and setting the shutter speed MC at 30, which gives larger apertures close to wide open. In these MC settings, ambient light dominates, so I get a yellow color shift which MC is not necessarily a problem. MC A third possibility I considered was using M and setting the shutter MC speed at 20 or 30 and then manually selecting an aperture around f/2.8 MC to f/5.6? MC What camera settings do you use in situations like this? MC Thanks, MC Michael MC Bruce Dayton wrote: Michael, Having used 360's extensively, the mode you are probably referring to is P-TTL where a pre-flash for measurements is taken. In practice it looks like one really long flash rather than two short ones. I have not really noticed an excessive amount of shut eyes due to blinking on hundreds of pictures taken. Two differences - 1) I have used an MZ-S. I don't know if the delay between pre-flash and main flash is longer with your camera or not. I would not suspect it to be. 2) I don't normally shoot with flash in as dim a light as you are indicating. This may have more to do with it. The dimmer the light, the longer the flash duration will be. This would give people more opportunity to blink. Also the slower the film and more stopped down the longer the duration. A simple test would be to use those variables, plus compare P-TTL to TTL and see if you notice any difference. Just a few thoughts. Bruce Tuesday, December 10, 2002, 10:00:12 AM, you wrote: MC On Saturday evening, I used my new (to me) AF360-FGZ to take some MC pictures at our Christmas party. When I got back the prints, the MC majority of the photos had at least one person with their eyes closed. MC The house was fairly dark and the revelers had imbibed quite a bit of MC Christmas cheer by the time the camera came out. Since everyone's eyes MC had adjusted to very dim lighting, I am wondering if the preflash on the MC AF360 caused people to blink so that when the photos were taken, their MC eyes were closed? MC Any thoughts? MC Michael Cross MC Chico, CA
Re: Re[2]: Preflash on AF360-FGZ Causing Subjects to Blink?
The problem is that in Av the camera ZX-L chooses shortest handholdable speed (1/45s for 50mm,1/30s for 35mm and so on)and in shutter priority the camera chooses the largest aperature for the lens. This can not be forgone by setting the aperature on the lens since this automatically sets the camera in Av. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Paul From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: Preflash on AF360-FGZ Causing Subjects to Blink? Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:46:44 -0800 Michael, No, let it go. The camera believes that you shouldn't hand hold it lower than 1/45 with your 35mm lens. That should be ok for the time being. Do a few test shots there and see how they turn out. You might try it on a few who didn't blink and a few who did. The other thing to try is setting the shutter speed to max flash synch and 5.6 and see what you get. Perhaps the slower shutter speed is allowing people enough time to blink. Bruce _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
