RE: [PEIRCE-L] Dynamic/Immediate Object and Determination/Causation

2016-08-27 Thread gnox
Clark, It seems to me that the “sign-vehicle,” if it means anything other than “sign, or representamen,” has to mean what Peirce called the “material qualities” of the sign (EP1:40). You quoted Joe Ransdell: [[ I have said that the object is essential in all semiosis. By this I mean the

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Dynamic/Immediate Object and Determination/Causation

2016-08-27 Thread gnox
Gary, I should have read your post before composing my reply to Clark (which i just posted), as it anticipates what I said about the immediate object being still an object. I think Scott is right about “subjective universality,” in that subjects of experience (using the term in the Kantian

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Dynamic/Immediate Object and Determination/Causation

2016-08-27 Thread gnox
Clark, I don’t think this approach clarifies the matter, because it seems to overlook a couple of Peirce’s specifications. First, in reference to the sign “It is a stormy day,” he says that “Its Immediate Object is the notion of the present weather so far as this is common to her mind and

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Dynamic/Immediate Object and Determination/Causation

2016-08-27 Thread gnox
Jon, Jeff, list, Jon, to answer your question to me that’s embedded near the end of your post, yes, you’ve gone a long way here toward a schema of the interpretants that makes sense to me, and is entirely compatible with SS 111 (1909) (also included in your post), which to me is Peirce’s