Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread Jerry Rhee
Hi Stefan, list: Well, the quote I selected is immediately followed by, "Freedom is the hypothesis or condition of democracy." So, what's that about, then, if not about democracy? Also, the original quote has a very definite likeness to Plato's ideas, in particular, those in the *Republic* and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread sb
Jerry, i am not sureb whether your quote from "Four Consequences" is useful or not. In my opinion it is just an example and does not necessarily express Peirce opinion about democracy. Do you think different about this quote? Best, Stefan The whole context is: --- 1. Several persons

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread sb
Gary, Clark, List, "Stefan thought we might consider looking at Aristotle's views of democracy in approaching Peirce's. I expressed some considerable reservations about that approach." Hope my intention became clearer by my previous post. "I’d imagine the interesting question regarding

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear list: Here is how I see Peirce to have conceived of democracy: “The best republic is the ideally perfect, the second the best on earth, the third the best *ex hypotheseos,* under the circumstances.” ~Peirce, *Some Consequences of Four Incapacities* “It has come about through the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread sb
Gary, List, long speak, short forgotten conclusions: I believe that two directions could be fruitful to understand Peirce idea of democracy better. First, thinking with Habermas that (ideal) scientific communities can be a blueprint for (ideal) democracies. Second, diving deeper into Peirce

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread sb
Gary, List, yes, you are certainly right that politeia is an problematic concept. Especially when we think of the exlusiveness of the greece idea of the rule of many: no women, no slaves, no foreigners, no people who have to work for their living etc. But democracy in the extremest form

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread Gary Richmond
Clark, Stefan, Stephen, List, Clark quoted me quoting Stefan,a snippet of which I emphasized in my last post: "The context for Peirce thinking about democracy and political economy are obviously his religious ideas. Central concepts in this context are love and greed/ altruism and egoism." Stefan

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread Clark Goble
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: > > The context for Peirce thinking about democracy and political economy are > obviously his religious ideas. Central concepts in this context are love and > greed/ altruism and egoism. This brings immediatly

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Democracy

2016-11-23 Thread Gary Richmond
Stefan, List, Stefan, thanks for bringing together these several relevant Peirce quotations. You concluded your post: The context for Peirce thinking about democracy and political economy are obviously his religious ideas. Central concepts in this context are love and greed/ altruism and egoism.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] phenomenology of stories

2016-11-23 Thread kirstima
Hi Stefan, Very interesting! Especially because the author is a lawyer. Still, I doubt I'll have time to read these. Anyway, Husserlian phenomenology is thoroughly different from Peircean phenomenology. They started from a very, very different conception of mind. For starters. Quite