On 2/5/2017 12:38 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
that knowledge is derived from the evidence of the senses, is as old
as Aristotle - who espoused just that [along with the use of reason].
But as a societal force, with its insistence that the individual and
that individual's direct contact with the w
Hi Edwina, Stephen, list:
Edwina,
I didn’t realize Stephen had a system.
Irrespective of that, you demand much of him.
To put it another way, how can you defend your statement that all cognitive
processes operate as a triad other than to say,
“because Peirce, or because Plato, or because A
Stephen: I understand your point about triadic thinking. All cognitive
processes operate as a triad. But, how does your system deal with the
psychological, which is not amenable that easily to reason, to mediation, but
is more kinetically reactive? How does your system deal with the raw emotions
Peirce is said to be a superficial and less than apt theologian. Not one of
the things he is cited for. I think he and Wittgenstein are peas in a pod
right down to their common reliance on, and iconoclasm toward, the natural
sciences. It was Wittgenstein who noted the difficulty of dealing with wha
Edwina:
Thank you for your opinion.
But, who are you referring to?
Two possibilities come to mind.
Thomas?
Thomas of Erfurt? (Pseudo-Scotus?)
Peter of Spain?
Otherwise?
Anyone else care to offer an opinion?
Cheers
Jerry
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> On Feb 5, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote
Jerry - the concept of empiricism, i.e., that knowledge is dervied from the
evidence of the senses, is as old as Aristotle - who espoused just that [along
with the use of reason].
But as a societal force, with its insistence that the individual and that
individual's direct contact with the worl
John, Edwina, List:
I am more than a bit surprised by the assertions that the Middle Ages gave
birth to "Empirism".
Does anyone have a convenient reference to the historical emergence of this
term in philosophy?
Cheers
Jerry
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> On Feb 5, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Edwina Taborsky
John:
Agreed, empiricism started in the 'middle ages' - and my point is that no
'thought-ideology' exists in a vacuum. Empiricism became an observable if
peripheral force in the 13th century, as did the shift towards empowering
individuals.
I consider that philosophical ideologies do not exist
I don’t agree. Edwina. Empiricism started in the Middle ages and went through
periods of profound social transformation since while being changed relatively
little.
I don’t think it is a political ideology.
I think that confusing sociological and scientific logic with each together
leads to co
John, List,
That comment came from Jon Alan Schmidt's initial post on January 7.
I tagged the comments in my review at the top of each panel like so:
o~o~o~o~o~o~o
January 2017
JAS:https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2017-01/msg00013.html
I think that even a philosophical ideology , eg, the 'classic form of
empiricism', has to be grounded in the societal infrastructure.
Political ideologies certainly must be grounded; I think it's an error to say,
for example, the 'democracy is the best political system', for any political
syst
Jerry, I think we are using ‘empiricism’ differently. I was using it in the
classic form, not just to refer to anyone who uses the natural world as a
touchstone for clarifying meaning and discovering the truth. I am an empiricist
in this latter sense, but not the former.
John Collier
Emeritus P
Jerry,
I haven't found it necessary to go beyond the logic that I was taught in
University as an undergrad and graduate student, especially from Boolos,
Church, Kalish and David Kaplan. From the former I learned set theory (which I
later taught at Rice) in which arithmetic can be grounded (gran
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