RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-22 Thread Charles Pyle
Hi Helmut, Yes, as you surmise. I think it is reasonable to take this as a refinement of Spencer-Brown. Let me explain it a little further. The space in which language grows is a kind of gravitational field where truth is the center from which language arises in the form of marks each of which

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-22 Thread Helmut Raulien
Charles, wow, interesting! I think about it. By first glance it seems to me like a linguistic elaboration of Spencer-Brown. Do all polarities come from a marked starting point, looking out for an opposite in unmarked space? I apologize to everybody "conservative". Please see my use of the term co

RE: [PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-22 Thread Charles Pyle
Helmut, Speaking as a linguist, I must point out that the view of language you take in the paragraph I quote below is profoundly mistaken. --begin quote from Helmut-- The conservative concept of sexuality is male-female, so binary, like black-white, hot-cold, right-wrong, up-down, open-

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-22 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, I see. I think, I mistakenly have compared the thing I was talking about with semiotics. Maybe it might better refer to LOR. I guess, the triadic sign is something too special to be suggested for model in this respect. The triadicity in the Logic Of Relatives probably suits better to the e

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-22 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut My apologies - I see your point against the yes-no-maybe. But I don't think that the middle action of mediation emerges from the interaction of polarities. This is almost a type of 'averaging' where all individual units partake of 'some' of each other. The middl

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-22 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, Yes, I agree, that the so-called progressives are not per se better argumenting or more ethical people than conservatives. An overreacting progressive can be a real monster. But you told me, that "The Peircean triad doesn't mean that there are three options [ie black, white and gray]. The

Re: [PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-22 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - I think you've fallen into your own definitional trap. The Peircean triad doesn't mean that there are three options [ie black, white and gray]. The Peircean triad is an irreducible process, where the middle term is an action-of-mediation. Not a third option. And I don

[PEIRCE-L] multiple-valued logic

2020-11-22 Thread Helmut Raulien
List,   As Peircean semiotics is a three-valued logic, I think it bears relevance for the discussion about multiple-valued logic. But I have the impression, that multipleness is sometimes explained away by just adding a "maybe" to the values "yes" and "no" (e.g. Lukasiewicz). I think, this is wro