[PEIRCE-L] A question for pragmatists, was, Comments on the nature and purpose of Peirce-L, was, The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread Gary Richmond
Martin, List, Thanks for joining our 10 minute thesis presentation this past Saturday and for your post to Peirce-L today. I think that your suggestion that "there’s a. . . fundamental and urgent question to ask ourselves about how to insinuate realism in a nominalist/individualist world" points

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Comments on the nature and purpose of Peirce-L, was, The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread Martin W. Kettelhut
Thank you for your 10-minute presentations Gary, Jon and Gary. What a fascinating phenomenon, a zoom conference with Powerpoint representations of Peirce’s trichotomies, synechism, and Kaina Stoichea! I supposed it was seeing each other, and hearing each other’s voices, that spark my wanting

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., List: I still do not see a problematic inconsistency, let alone a contradiction, because indeterminacy/generality and indefiniteness/vagueness are not mutually exclusive. As I understand Peirce's mature topical conception of continuity, the whole is general (3ns) and the parts are

[PEIRCE-L] Comments on the nature and purpose of Peirce-L, was, The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread Gary Richmond
List, I agree with both Jon and Gary Fuhrman as to the nature and purpose of Peirce-L. Because of its relevance, over the years I have had occasion to post the same quotation by Joe Ransdell that Jon did today. Especially for those new to this Peirce forum -- and, perhaps, for everyone here -- it

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Chat GPT and Peirce

2023-04-19 Thread Dan Everett
You’ll have to read your way through the literature. D > On Apr 19, 2023, at 2:27 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: > > > Dan, List, > > First i apologize for posting unrelated in the main thread. > > I appreciate your argument and find it a great insight. Now, is this a > refutation of

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Chat GPT and Peirce

2023-04-19 Thread Helmut Raulien
  Dan, List,   First i apologize for posting unrelated in the main thread.   I appreciate your argument and find it a great insight. Now, is this a refutation of Chomsky´s theory or not? A computer program perhaps does not need such a module, because it can research and develop language from

[PEIRCE-L] Chat GPT and Peirce

2023-04-19 Thread Dan Everett
ChatGPT simply and conclusively shows that there is no need for any innate learning module in the brain to learn language. Here is the paper on it that states this best. https://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/007180 >From a Peircean perspective, it is important to realize that this works by >inference

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread Dan Everett
My apologies, Jon, I should have started a new thread. And to Gary, many thanks for the references. It is not that I do not learn a great deal from the exegetical discussions. I certainly do. And the level of discussion is very high and insightful. I much appreciate it. Nor is it the case that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
List: I agree with Gary F. and will add that anyone is welcome to start a new Peirce-L thread on any topic, as long as it is legitimately related to Peirce's thought. Here is how the late Joe Ransdell put it. Since PEIRCE-L is best thought of as a public forum, which is primarily a place rather

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread gnox
Dan, it’s true that “there are many contemporary issues that are crying out for Peircean analysis.” I’ll mention below a few publications and public venues that carry out this analysis in one way or another. But those are aimed at venues and audiences other than the community of students and

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dan, List,   What is the "success of ChatGPT over Chomskyan nativist models"? I guess ChatGPT is meant to mimic a human mind, so the innate grammar-module too. And, if Chomsky claims a genetic grammar module, I dont imagine (dont know) he says it stops there, that this module is an arbitrary

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread Dan Everett
I really am enjoying all of this discussion. But the Peirce-L to my mind (maybe this is its principal function and I have missed that fact) seems largely concerned with the exegesis of Peirce (which is very important of course). But there are many contemporary issues that are crying out for

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Basis of Synechism in Phaneroscopy

2023-04-19 Thread gnox
Gary R, Jon et al., It might take awhile to explain why I see a difference (if not a contradiction) between Peirce’s 1898 cosmology, which you quoted at length, and his account of the origin of things in “Kaina Stoicheia”. This will also explain why I see KS (written in 1901) as marking a turn