Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-10-24 Thread Gary Richmond
Charles, List, The list has indeed been quiet this October, although there were posts later in September than the 27th, as well as posts on Oct. 6, 10, and 20 at least. Over the decades of my being on Peirce-L I see that activity ebbs and flows and for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes this seems se

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-10-24 Thread Charles Pyle
I got this email, so I must be on the list. > On October 24, 2018 at 9:13 AM Charles Pyle wrote: > > > This email dated 9/27 is the last one I have received from the list. I > wonder if I got delisted, or if things have slowed to a total stop, or what. > > > > On September 27, 20

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-10-24 Thread Charles Pyle
This email dated 9/27 is the last one I have received from the list. I wonder if I got delisted, or if things have slowed to a total stop, or what. > On September 27, 2018 at 7:01 PM John F Sowa mailto:s...@bestweb.net > wrote: > > > On 9/27/2018 6:05 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: > >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-28 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/27/2018 10:54 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: Pure mathematics has infinitely many theories. If you only want a restricted version, it has that also. Fine. If you wish to hypothesize that pure mathematics can generate large categories of theories, I will grant you that that is readily conce

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-27 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, John: > On Sep 27, 2018, at 9:25 PM, John F Sowa wrote: > > Pure mathematics has infinitely many theories. > If you only want a restricted version, it has that also. Fine. If you wish to hypothesize that pure mathematics can generate large categories of theories, I will grant you that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-27 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/27/2018 9:49 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: Mother Nature created 92 chemical elements. Fine. That just means that you only need a small subset of the integers to count the elements. But it's nice to know that we'll never run out of numbers to count the national debt. Actually, spectrosco

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-27 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, John: > On Sep 27, 2018, at 6:01 PM, John F Sowa wrote: > > On 9/27/2018 6:05 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: >> it is not possible to fully respond to your beliefs about the >> relationships between Peircian realism, modern mathematics and >> science. Our disagreements are sharp and well de

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-27 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, John: The methodology you propose for applied mathematics (that is, for pragmatic realism) is commented upon below. > On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:28 PM, John F Sowa wrote: > > On 9/19/2018 4:28 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: >> A chemical atomic number, as a unique form of matter, is composed o

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-27 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/27/2018 6:05 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: it is not possible to fully respond to your beliefs about the relationships between Peircian realism, modern mathematics and science. Our disagreements are sharp and well defined. My beliefs are based on Peirce and the overwhelming majority of mod

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-27 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, John: >From your responses below, it is clear that we hold radically different >notions about the nature of linguistic symbolizations of meaning and >mathematical symbolizations of meaning. I must re-iterate that my views of >mathematics are based on pragmatic realism that is meaningful

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-22 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/21/2018 3:05 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: so mathematics perhaps is the only example, for which Platon´s idea of "idea" is correct. All phenomena can be explained with mathematics. Though only afterwards, subsequently? As Peirce said, diagrammatic reasoning is the foundation for all necessar

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-21 Thread Helmut Raulien
    Supp.: I remember vaguely something about a crystal theory, meaning that some people have meant to have designed a sort of crystal shaped thing meant to represent everything including time. Never again heard of it, so, was it but a hype?? Leave alone with any bull like that lest it suits, say

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-21 Thread Helmut Raulien
List, so mathematics perhaps is the only example, for which Platon´s idea of "idea" is correct. All phenomena can be explained with mathematics. Though only afterwards, subsequently? It seems that it is hard to conclude from mathematics to phenomena (though with the Higgs boson it worked). Nobod

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-21 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/20/2018 5:33 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: I ask that you clearly state the meaning of your notion of “pure mathematics”. I have taken it to mean the usual undergraduate level of mathematical philosophy... The scope of pure mathematics, as Peirce defined it, is infinitely larger than whate

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-20 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, John: John, the meaning of my post was unclear to you. My concerns focus on the pragmatic realism of scientific facts in relationship to mathematical narratives. This is seldom a major issue in the philosophy of physics because the very concept of variable is based on the definitions of t

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-20 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Kirsti, List: John Sowa almost always gives very good answers in his posts here when viewed from the traditional views of the philosophy of Vienna Circle. But, a very good answer is not necessarily a mathematically, or logically or scientific COMPELLING answer for the science, logic, or mathema

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-19 Thread kirstima
The answer offered here to Jerry Chandler by John Sowa I find a very good answer. Cheers, Kirsti John F Sowa kirjoitti 19.9.2018 17:33: Jerry LRC, As Kirsti said, the subject line about categories and modes was a long thread about Peirce's 1903 classification of the sciences. I plan to pos

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-19 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/19/2018 4:28 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote: A chemical atomic number, as a unique form of matter, is composed of polar opposite electrical charges that generate a special (polar) logical operation called valence that operates only on one of the pair of polar opposites. That is an empirical

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-19 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
John, List: > On Sep 19, 2018, at 9:33 AM, John F Sowa wrote: > >> >> How can one describe a large bio-molecule, such as Nicotinamide >> Adenine Dinucleotide (NAD) in pure mathematical terms?" > > For any theory of applied math, there is a simple procedure for > finding a corresponding theory

[PEIRCE-L] Pure and applied mathematics

2018-09-19 Thread John F Sowa
Jerry LRC, As Kirsti said, the subject line about categories and modes was a long thread about Peirce's 1903 classification of the sciences. I plan to post a copy that text, my diagram about it, and related quotations by Peirce on my web site. But I changed the subject line for the topic of pure