Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-04 Thread Gary Richmond
Helmut, Gary F, John S, list, Helmut asked: " ​ But I have not understood, what people mean by "metaphysics". Is it the same as "transcendence"?" First, to answer your second question, for Peirce metaphysics is most certainly *not* *transcendence* if by 'transcendental' one means experience or

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-03 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/2/2017 8:31 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: [Metaphysics is] "First in dignity, last in the order of learning": What is meant by "learning"? Is it the learning of the researcher, or the learning of the pupil, who is being taught by the researcher the results of the research? The word Aquinas

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Kirsti, John, Tommi, List, "First in dignity, last in the order of learning": What is meant by "learning"? Is it the learning of the researcher, or the learning of the pupil, who is being taught by the researcher the results of the research? I think, that trying to find out what is behind nature

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-02 Thread kirstima
There is a link between ideas of recursion and that of cyclical arithmetics. Has this not been recognized? Kirsti John F Sowa kirjoitti 2.9.2017 20:53: On 9/1/2017 6:37 PM, Tommi Vehkavaara wrote: I do not see how those who take ontology as the first philosophy could be convinced with this

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-02 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/1/2017 6:37 PM, Tommi Vehkavaara wrote: I do not see how those who take ontology as the first philosophy could be convinced with this diagram, because in it, metaphysics is presented rather as the last philosophy, instead. I googled "prima philosophia" and found an interesting discussion

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-01 Thread Tommi Vehkavaara
John, list You wrote: "Those dependencies are important to emphasize, especially for anyone who might claim that ontology is prima philosophia." I do not see how those who take ontology as the first philosophy could be convinced with this diagram, because in it, metaphysics is presented

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-08-31 Thread John F Sowa
On 8/31/2017 6:41 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: FZ: About Sowa’s classification of the sciences, compared to Peirce’s, I don’t see something new. I strongly agree. I was *not* attempting anything new. And I was most definitely *not* attempting to produce a classification of the sciences. I did

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-08-30 Thread John F Sowa
Jerry LRC, Tommi, Gary F, and Kirsti, Jerry Thanks for collecting and posting the references to Simons works. His views have changed hues since his book! Yes. I'd say that the theoretical analysis in his 1987 book is still valid, but Simons got hit with a large dose of reality in his dozen

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-08-30 Thread gnox
To: PEIRCE L <PEIRCE-L@list.iupui.edu> Cc: John F Sowa <s...@bestweb.net>; Tommi Vehkavaara <tommi.vehkava...@uta.fi>; Jerry LR Chandler <jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com> Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences As wished by John, some comments to the

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-08-29 Thread kirstima
As wished by John, some comments to the jpg, as well as on some comments presented: I find the diagram a misleading, not a clarifying one. I found the quote provided by Tommi a highly relevant problematization of the issue. I also agree with the critical notes provided by Jerry, up to a