John, List:
JFS: The first sentence is inconsistent with the quotations cited in the
middle of that paragraph.
On the contrary, it is important to read very carefully how Peirce
describes the constituents of each Universe, especially (in this context)
the first one.
CSP: "Idea" ... denotes
Jon AS, Gary F, List,
JAS: the question is simply whether
Peirce ever explicitly states that
"mathematics is the universe
of all possibilities." If not, then nobody
can definitively
claim that this is what he intended.
The assumption that
mathematics specifies all of what Peirce called
"real
List:
> On Aug 7, 2021, at 9:05 AM, JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
> wrote:
>
> I agree completely. Similar to Barthes' argument in Death of the Author in
> that there is always a degree to which the reader "writes" the text as he/she
> reads it; actively constructs rather than passively receives,
Edwinia:
> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:50 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
>
> I think that's an interesting question from Gary F - how do we distinguish
> between the actual and the imagined world.
If one is seeking absolute certitude, no LINGUISTIC sentence will bridge this
gap. How could it?
If one
Gary F, list
That's an interesting differentiation; that the world of imagination
is in a mode of Firstness and the actual world is in a mode of
Secondness. What about the play of..Hamlet; it's in the world of
imagination - but, is it in a mode of Firstness? Alice in
JFS: Phenomenology/phaneroscopy analyzes experiences in the phaneron in
order to classify and determine the elements of experience. But as Peirce
said, the same kinds of experiences may comefrom external sensation, from
imagination, or from memories.
GF: The phrase "kinds of experiences" is
an identical agreement).
Jack
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I think that's an interesting question from Gary F - how do we
distinguish between the actual and the imagined world.
It's not that easy; we know this from the morass of misinformation
that we,
Jon AS, Edwina, Jack, Gary F, List,
JFS: The simplest and
clearest definition [of the adjective
'mathematica'l':
"Anything that can be completely specified by a
definition
stated in any branch of mathematics."
JAS: That is not a
definition, it is a tautology.
No. Jack asked "what is
John, List:
JFS: That question has two parts: (1) Is it true that all possible
patterns are mathematical? (2) Did Peirce say or imply that point?
No, the question is simply whether Peirce ever *explicitly states* that
"mathematics is the universe of all possibilities." If not, then nobody can
Gary R, Edwina, List,
See the attached file JFS_Aug6.txt for my
answers to JAS.
And thanks, Edwina, for the following quotation.
Any form, when considered apart from the matter, is always a mathematical
pattern.
CSP: that which is communicated from the Object through the
Sign to
the
Jon AS, List,
JFS: As Peirce explained in many passages in his
writings, mathematics
is the universe of all possibilities.
JAS> Please provide exact quotations of the "many passages"
where Peirce
supposedly equates mathematics with "the universe
of all possibilities."
That question has two
John, list
Continuing on with this idea of , as John wrote:
"(1) a selection of one or more mathematical patterns for some
purpose,
(2) an application of some pattern as an interpretant of an
experience
in the phaneron"
Here's a comment from Peirce,
Jon, John, List,
JFS: All those creatures are doing those calculations in first few
milliseconds of interpreting experiences in the phaneron.
JAS: I find it quite a stretch to characterize performing Olympic
gymnastics, catching a bird in mid-flight, using sonar to catch a moth, and
taking
John, List:
JFS: As Peirce explained in many passages in his writings, mathematics is
the universe of all possibilities.
Please provide exact quotations of the "many passages" where Peirce
supposedly equates mathematics with "the universe of all possibilities." As
the saying goes, "nobody can
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