Cf: Inquiry Driven Systems • Discussion 5
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/07/25/inquiry-driven-systems-discussion-5/
Re: Laws of Form
https://groups.io/g/lawsofform/topic/inquiry_driven_systems/84227997
::: Leon Conrad
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}John, list
I wonder if diagrammatic thinking is focused more on relations than
specific and separate individual units, i.e., verbs and
subjects/objects.
That is, I long ago noticed that some indigenous
Edwina, John, List
I think, when somebody, regardless of which language or culture, reads a sentence, he*she does not jump to conclusions unless the sentence is read. So I guess that the role of the verb´s position should not be overestimated. Like culture in general should not. The Yoruba
Cf: Inquiry Driven Systems • Discussion 6
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2021/07/25/inquiry-driven-systems-discussion-6/
Re: Category Theory
https://categorytheory.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/233322-practice.3A-communication/topic/teaching.20children ::: Henry
Story
Jack, list
A minor quibble I prefer to say that anthropologists study
'societal organization' rather than 'culture'. Just a personal quirk.
My view of this societal organization is that - since our knowledge
base is learned and not innate, - this means that it is a
Edwina, List
It is good points you made. I admit, that I have made the reverse-naturalistic fallacy, concluding from ought to is, when I said "The meaning of cultural differences is...". The ought-thing would be, that the people from the two tribes should not kill each other (hurts,
Jack, Edwina, List
I think there is a lot innate to humans, that usually is assigned to cultures. Ok, the construction plan for a nest, like with birds, is not. But the hunter/gather- episode has lasted long enough to depict in the genes. Values like equality, freedom, mutual aid are not
Tom - exactly, exactly. [I've added this reply to the Peirce list
since I think your diagrams/models are excellent examples of the
Peircean categories and the Peircean relations in diagrams].
1] Your 'knowledge graphs: ' Internationally, all individuals of
all ages can see
Barthes was exaggerating ... he went back on his declarations later ... but
symbolic violence (which is exerted in particular on cultural minorities)
is a useful concept adopted by sociologists (Pierre Bourdieu and his school
in particular) ... and let's not forget Aesop: "language is the best and
Terry, Jack, Helmut, Edwina, List,
TLR> Perhaps our knowledge
base isnt either learned
or innate (per exclusive disjunction), but both learned
and innate.
The nature/nuture/culture issues have been
debated for centuries, and there is a lot of evidence that is sometimes
clear and sometimes
Helmut, List
You're right. Animals do have culture. The distinction does tend to be
"symbolic culture" which to me is probably better understood as "meta-symbolic
culture" - not the ability to think symbolically but rather to do so at a level
of abstraction (to take a recipe or a diagram and
Edwina, List,
I agree with your quibble -- though I refrain from saying "societal
organization" and other such calques because of their association with
particular modes/epochs of anthropology/sociology (functionalism and so on). It
is true that "culture" has to do with societal organization
Edwina, List,
The human species, homo sapiens has no innate knowledge. This means that they
must, as Helmut points out, develop a method for generating, communicating and
storing this knowledge, ie. symbolic language. It also means that they must
spend a great deal of time learning this
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}Robert, List
1] What?! Language is fascist?! Does he even know what the term
means? Most people who fling out this term have no understanding of
its meaning. No, he's ignoring the work of, if I recall, someone
Jack, Edwina, List
Animals do have culture! What divides humans from animals is not culture, but language and symbolic thinking/ _expression_/ behavior, I guess. To not have belief is not psychopathic, but belief totally is. I don´t have any idea, what is meant by "belief". There is knowing,
Helmut, Edwina, List
About language and culture I am a universalist, who likes Chomsky´s theory, and
not Sapir/Whorf´s. The meaning of different cultures is mutual enrichment, but
not separation or definition of "identities". Only people with a lack of
self-esteem and psychological resources
Terry, list
1]That's an excellent point -
You wrote: "Perhaps “our knowledge base” isn’t either learned
or innate (per exclusive disjunction), but both learned and innate.
Don’t Peirce’s categories establish the innate semiosic
predispositions, capabilities,
Helmut, list
1] I am against linguistic determinism [the so-called Sapir-Whorf
hypothesis] but consider that our knowledge base is not innate but
learned. Therefore, a culture/society whose knowledge base includes a
belief that the hunter and the hunted are together involved in
John, List,
Thank you for the shared resources (Diagrammatolgy by Stjernfelt is proving
particularly helpful to me). However, I have a slight deviation.
In trying to tease out some of Peirce's terms, I have been thinking about a
hypothetical scenario:
A bird flies over a cornfield. It
Dear John, List
Your message leads me to multiple questions, which, in my opinion, raise
fundamental problems.
1. JS > "*Different people have different ways of thinking and talking."*
Yes, but the individuals, as a whole, do not think nor speak independently
of each other; diverse common
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