Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
In any case, I honestly believe that simple and direct answers to my two specific questions bolded above would be very helpful for advancing the discussion further. Hi Jon, list, I think this is fair. It comes down to whether I can, or cannot, answer these two questions. I agree with that. I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
the question is whether the sign can (at least in principle) represent the object as it is in itself. Just to add: along with what has to now be a deductively clear argumentation of the premisses, by me, this is where we are likely to disagree. The sign, cannot, in principle, or practice, repr

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
  Jack, Jon, List,   Both Hume´s law, and the "natural fallacy"- theory say, that you cannot conclude from "Is" to "Ought". I think, that is because the two are categorically different approaches. So I guess, that it neither is possible to conclude the other way, from "Ought" to "Is". Now I thi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jack, List: I appreciate your honesty, but since you are now rejecting basic principles of logic (my #1 and #4), there is nothing more for us to discuss. Again, Peirce affirms them (as well as my #2), so there is also no possibility of reconciling your position with his. You simply think that he w

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jack, Helmut, List: Deciding from the outset that no sign can ever represent its object as it is in itself is blocking the way of inquiry, not to mention begging the question. Given that stance on Jack's part, again, there is nothing more for us to discuss. The supposed "is-ought distinction" is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A question for pragmatists

2023-06-04 Thread John F Sowa
Jon, Your note of April 20 (copied below) is indeed a serious question for pragmatists. It contains claims and assumptions that Peirce would not accept. I'll start with an issue we had discussed some time ago. I wrote that the Christians who translated the Greek New Testament to Chinese chos