Re: [PEIRCE-L] Am I Wrong

> On Oct 2, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Clark Goble wrote: > > It’s ten years later that he writes about Derrida and the symbol in On > Grammatologie. Whoops. An other typo - my apologies. Doing this quickly as I do some work. Obviously I meant Peirce there, not Derrida. I should have added to that p

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Am I Wrong

Exactly what I remembered. But lost in the mist. Thank you! *@stephencrose * On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Clark Goble wrote: > > On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: > > Nope. Not Whitehead I'm pretty sure. But if no one else has heard it. I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Am I Wrong

> On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: > > Nope. Not Whitehead I'm pretty sure. But if no one else has heard it. I > associate it with some post-modern sort but I am drawing a blank. I know it > was someone though. I was curious and did a bit of search. You were right. This is f

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Example of Dicisign?

Supplement: Please replace in my text "dicisign" with "sinsign", and "dicent" with "dicisign". I only knew the word "dicent" for "dicisign", and thought, that "dicisign" was a synonym for "sinsign", because of the ending "sign". I would say, it is not an argument, because there is no "because"

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Am I Wrong

> On Oct 2, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: > > Am I wrong in recalling that Derrida actually spent some time going through > unpublished Peirce mss in Cambridge. Or am I thinking of someone else of more > than passing fame? I’ve never heard that. Sure you aren’t thinking of Whitehea

[PEIRCE-L] Am I Wrong

Am I wrong in recalling that Derrida actually spent some time going through unpublished Peirce mss in Cambridge. Or am I thinking of someone else of more than passing fame? *@stephencrose * - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List"

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

I forgot to add the obvious linguistic translation of this dicisign: "Guns R US." (By the way, I'd also say that the work is a proposition, as it is clearly symbolic, even without the verbal description or the title.) gary f. -Original Message- From: Gary Fuhrman [mailto:g...@gnusyste

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

I would say it's definitely a dicisign, an index involving an icon; but it's the kind of index that consists in the obviously intentional co-localization of two icons which refer to situations of which the observers have lots of collateral experience. I couldn't call it an argument because it does

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Example of Dicisign?

I would say, it is not an argument, because there is no "because" or "therefore" in its message (no syllogism), but only a statement of combination. In the sign relaition it is a combination of the outer shape, the shapes of the elements, and the dispersion oft he elements in the outer shape. So th

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Theories and Realism (was Natural Propositions)

> On Oct 1, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Howard Pattee wrote: > >>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 4:00 AM, John Collier wrote: >> >>> I think that it is a given that for any realist position there is a >>> nominalist position in the contemporary sense that can fit the same assent >>> structure. Typically one is re

Re: [biosemiotics:6973] [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.1

> On Oct 2, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Clark Goble wrote: > > He’s a rather well person but since he doesn’t really mention Peirce much > after that Sorry. Typo. That should be: He’s a rather well read person but since he doesn’t really mention Peirce much after that…

Re: [biosemiotics:6973] [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.1

> On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:59 AM, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: > > Mathematics certainly deals in propositions according to P. > P's general philosophy of math claims that math is about forms of relations, > and that those abstract objects are addressed by the help of diagrams. > Existing, particul

Re: [biosemiotics:6973] [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.1

> On Oct 2, 2014, at 5:06 AM, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: > > I am quite sure Derrida never read much Peirce and I have a hard time seeing > them go in the same direction. As far as I recall the Peirce references of > the Grammatology, Derrida only focuses upon infinite semiosis, delighting in

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Example of Dicisign?

I think I'm going to call this the Last Word Forum. *@stephencrose * On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: > Jon, > > So a qualisign > could be a dicisign > call an icon an index > and that too is fine > and whatever whomever > happens to opine >

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Example of Dicisign?

Jon, So a qualisign could be a dicisign call an icon an index and that too is fine and whatever whomever happens to opine is OK just for tryin' as good an interpretation as yours or mine (or his or hers)? Best, Gary (Jon, please, I'll give you the last ditty, and we can move on to more serious

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Example of Dicisign?

Gary, You are free to interpret it diversely. It possesses no owntology. Jon Gary Richmond wrote: Jon, Evgenii, lists, Well, Jon, if what you say is true, now that I've looked at the video of "Gun Country"--which I hadn't earlier (only the still shots)--I've decided that, given the context (p

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Example of Dicisign?

Jon, Evgenii, lists, Well, Jon, if what you say is true, now that I've looked at the video of "Gun Country"--which I hadn't earlier (only the still shots)--I've decided that, given the context (people walking around it, relating to it), that it *could be* interpreted as an argument. But that's a

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Example of Dicisign?

Evgenii, As a rule, A sign is what it's interpre- ted to be. Jon Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: A question to better understand what dicisign is. Can one say that Gun Country by Michael Murphy is a dicisign? http://www.artprize.org/michael-murphy/2014/gun-country Best wishes, Evgenii -- academi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

Evgenii, lists, I would say that 'Gun Country' is a dicisign. Although I've haven't delved into it deeply, in Tony Jappy's book,* Introduction to Peircean Visual Semiotics, *one finds a test Peirce gives of what may count as a dicisign as a footnote in chapter 6, one of the places in the book whe

[PEIRCE-L] Example of Dicisign?

A question to better understand what dicisign is. Can one say that Gun Country by Michael Murphy is a dicisign? http://www.artprize.org/michael-murphy/2014/gun-country Best wishes, Evgenii - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEI

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7050] Re: Natural Propositions,

Ben, lists, Thanks for this excellent work, even if I'm left with the same question you had concerning the fate of the singular symbol. I'm about to be traveling again--btw, I understand Frederik is as well from an off-list email message today saying he's traveling to Paris to give an address--bu

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

Peircers, Another passage from ''Natural Propositions'' that appeared to light up before my mind's eye — I'm guessing because of all the time I whiled away wrestling with divergent views of assertion when I first began studying the history of logic — is this selection from Chapter 3. 3.4.

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7050] Re: Natural Propositions,

Gary R., Gary F., lists, A little more on what happened to the abstract and singular symbols. The singular symbol / the subindex designates, names, or says 'this' or 'that', etc. Earlier Peirce had accounted those functions as indexical. In 1885 he said that demonstrative and relative pronouns

[PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7048] Re: Natural Propositions,

Just a bibliographic note here: I think that all references to or quotations from the Syllabus should just give the EP2 page number, unless it’s a reference to the “Nomenclature and Divisions of Dyadic Relations” (CP 3.571ff.). Except for that part, the Syllabus is complete and together in EP2,

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

Theme: JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14286 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14290 GF:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14313 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/14350 JA:http://permalink

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions • Selected Passages

Dear Jon, lists Peirce use the concept "degenerate" in his sign theory in analogy to the geometric sense of the term.. Referring to conic sections, certain sections are generic (hyperbolas, ellipses) while other sections are degenerate because corresponding to non-generic cases where one or more

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6952] Re: Natural Propositions

Dear Cathy, lists Good point F Den 29/09/2014 kl. 02.37 skrev Catherine Legg mailto:cl...@waikato.ac.nz>>: Dear All, Yes, just to reiterate what has also been said by Jeff D in his post in this thread – the key criterion for thought, and intelligent thought, is not consciousness but self-cont

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7003] Natural Propositions,

Dear Stan, lists, But I am not scared by social constructivism at all. I'm bored. What I am scared about is the information that students are reported to have this boring and erroneous theory as their default approach. We have earlier seen student masses go down very wrong alleys (1933, 1968 to m

Re: [biosemiotics:6973] [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.1

Dear Clark, lists, Den 25/09/2014 kl. 19.22 skrev Clark Goble mailto:cl...@lextek.com>>: On Sep 25, 2014, at 8:50 AM, Frederik Stjernfelt mailto:stj...@hum.ku.dk>> wrote: This isn’t to say Heidegger and Peirce are the same. Just that I think the move towards an externalist approach to mind i

Re: [biosemiotics:6973] [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.1

Dear Clark, lists - Mathematics certainly deals in propositions according to P. P's general philosophy of math claims that math is about forms of relations, and that those abstract objects are addressed by the help of diagrams. Existing, particular, physical diagram tokens permit the access to di

Re: [biosemiotics:6973] [PEIRCE-L] RE: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.1

Dear Jeff, Gary, lists - Sorry for being absent from the discussion - I fell ill during traveling in Germany but am now back on the horse. Jeff, it is certainly an interesting and important idea to compare Peirce's mature doctrine of the Dicisign from the years after the turn of the century wit

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

Jon, Edwina, List, you wrote: (...) "normative science (...) seeks knowledge regarding the relative values of its objects, (...)", and these objects are signs. Truth is mostly seen as a digital value (either yes or no, with no gradient in between). Peirce too sees it like that, I think, in his co